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30 days is a lot more than the 15 the assfucker who killed my sister served.

1/11/2008 6:01:37 PM

^^^ I wish people would just drive more safely and take care of their cars.

I dunno. I definitely can't stand people who don't get their cars inspected, but then again, I can just get money from my parents to do it, and I ain't got no job and no kids so I got plenty of time to head by Jiffy Lube and chainsmoke over the sports section while they check out my car.

But, man, I fucking hate needlessly sitting in traffic for an hour only to roll up and find out it's all because some dude's car broke down in the middle of the highway. And the twenty people in the car that clearly hasn't been inspected in ages are just chilling in the median...

^^But they don't get caught. That's why so many people drive without a license. The chances of getting caught are pretty slim, particularly if you're white.

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1/11/2008 6:06:17 PM

^^what?

I hope you're joking.

1/11/2008 6:08:23 PM

^^ Are you serious? "We shouldn't even try taking away her license because she'll just drive anyway" ???

You know what? We should start allowing convicted felons to purchase handguns. Because you know what? They'll just buy them anyway!

1/11/2008 6:22:10 PM

^Fuck you.

I didn't say any of that shit.

I just pointed out that revoking someone's license isn't a great punishment.

Fuuu-uuu-uuuck you.

1/11/2008 6:25:04 PM

Meatbags shouldn't be allowed to drive.

1/11/2008 6:44:42 PM

I hate to break it to you all, but it is entirely Emily's fault that she is dead. She went to a party with her friend, knowing they were both going to drink, and she didn't have a DD. End of story, it's her fault. If she had planned ahead and had a DD, she would probably be alive today. She didn't, so she died.

Get off your fucking crybaby kick about "OH MY GOD, SHE WAS MY FRIEND!!! OMG!!! HOW COULD YOU BE SO CRUEL!!!" If she was your friend, then maybe you should learn something from her death:

GET A FUCKING DESIGNATED DRIVER

1/11/2008 6:47:02 PM

http://fayobserver.com/article?id=282691

This article says that Danielle's BAC was 0.17. It also says that Emily's was 0.04. If that information is correct, I can't imagine how painful it must be for Emily's family to know that she was killed in a drunk driving accident and wasn't drunk herself...

1/11/2008 7:34:58 PM

you can only wonder why emily didnt demand to drive if she was only .04 - kinda brings up questions about other drugs or all sorts of shit (none of which i really have and reason to worry about i guess)

for those that dont know what this all means, let me tell you guys a little about suspended sentences, as i am on one now (for a few more weeks, thank god)

she will pull 30 days in jail (maybe even 15 weekends if she is in school or working) -- then comes the suspension part of the 20-24 months (after the 30 days,which was part too) - for the next 36 months, she will have to have constant employment and constant communication with a probation officer. she will have constant drug tests. she will have a monthly supervision fee, plus she will have to make monthly payments toward her supervision fees and ALL FINES incurred (including all court costs, attorney fees if she had a public defender, the 1000 dollar fine, and the community service fee)

at any point during this 3 years, if she fucks up in any way legally, or fucks up ANY condition of probation (there are like 15, and they are allowed entry without warrant into your home at any time) -- if she fucks up, her probation is revoked and she will return to court for the violation, at which time she will have to face the 2 years in prison.

its obvious due to the sentence that she had little or no record, and got felony convictions. and the probation officers dont care if you dont have a job because you cant get one due to the felony of killing your friend. they dont care if you cant pay the fines because you have no job because of the felony

and they dont care if you have trouble getting to community service, even though you have to no license.

i'm not saying this girl deserves to walk in 30 days, im just saying that shes gonna have a fucked up 3 years after that, and i can say with CERTAINTY that if you can go 3 years with someone up your ass and manage to make it through every hoop, then you have nothing to hide and you've proved you can turn your shit around (and that you might have a little luck with money)

so for anyone worried that shes getting off with nothing, she still has 3 years of CONSTANT searches and scrutiny before she's clear of that jail term. just think about how many of you would get in trouble if the office of probation and parole stopped by right now and took a tour. bag of pot = sentence is unsuspended

hell i bet lots of people think she deserves a lot more than 2 years in prison... but i can tell you that she's nowhere near out of trouble, and still has tons of pitfalls to dodge before she's even remotely safe from serving that 20-24 months. even if she goes 2.5 years on probation and does fine then fucks up once.

so basically the only way she gets the light sentence is if she completely turns into a church girl, and trust me, they will violate you in a second if you don't act like one

1/11/2008 7:55:05 PM

i am sincerely disgusted with this outcome....



and this coming from someone who generally doesnt give a shit about stuff in general.

1/11/2008 8:01:22 PM

well for everyone convinced shes a terrible drunk, i just read that she got a condition 16 or whatever that subjects her to blood testing for alcohol at any point for the next 3 years and if she fucks that up, she's off to prison

so add that to everything else i listed. if she's THAT bad, she'll catch a prison term

1/11/2008 8:07:18 PM

Quote :

"I hate to break it to you all, but it is entirely Emily's fault that she is dead. She went to a party with her friend, knowing they were both going to drink, and she didn't have a DD. End of story, it's her fault. If she had planned ahead and had a DD, she would probably be alive today. She didn't, so she died."

The driver is responsible for everyone in the car.

1/11/2008 8:09:13 PM

eh not to turn it into a thing about emily, ive tried to stay out of this since i saw it-- we werent good friends at all, but i did know her, and ive heard from a lot of people that she was big into having dd's.. but like i said in my post... if she saw her friend so hammered, i'm pretty sure she would have offered to drive.

which is why i wonder what else was going on in the other rooms. cause from what i know, a .04 emily on only alcohol would have never put herself into this situation

1/11/2008 8:14:19 PM

DUIs should permanetly revoke your license, and driving with a revoked license should send you to prison.

1/11/2008 8:33:15 PM

you do you realize that without those exact rules, that's still the end result

with the second DUI conviction and subsequent convictions you end up in prison

cant do anything for you about the license thing though

1/11/2008 8:38:11 PM

I can't wait until cars drive themselves.

1/11/2008 9:19:03 PM

Then we have to worry about the cars getting DUIs.

1/11/2008 9:24:33 PM

Well, something like that.

1/11/2008 9:32:36 PM

I am kind of with jackleg on this. If the she can make it through everything she has going against her she has paid her debt to society.

I would probably be saying a different story if someone close to me had been killed by a drunk driver, but all things relative she seems like a good person who just did something stupid.

She went from being a normal 20 year old college student, to responsible for the death of a best friend, a felon, probably hated by a whole lot of people, and now has no real shot to succeed in the world. Even if she does succeed in life it would have to be hard to enjoy it knowing you killed someone dear to you and they never got that chance.

1/11/2008 11:26:47 PM

thats not even what i meant cause i think she deserved prison outright. i dont think shes paid her debt to anything. but the more i think about it, the mroe i do agree. cause probation is hell. and ive never even been on FELONY probation. first thing she had to do was go downtown and submit her DNA to big brother. i didnt think about that before either, if she can go clean 3 years through a felony probation she has proven that she turned it around, even though i dont agree with letting her off.

but the state likes this way, the state makes more money.

i didnt think about this before, but in the hundreds of hours ive sat in courts and seen people go to jail, prison, and probation, over half of the probation people had the stipulation for "supervision to be removed after monies were paid"

not saying its all about money. and i dont know what her case was, i doubt she got the option cause of the severity. i got the option with an 18 month probation. pay and be done. and i paid it all in 2 chunks... and now i have no more supervision. no case worker. no mandatory this or that. if i fuck up then i'll still go to jail 45 days (my suspended sentence) - but i'd have to actually break a real law and not just have a PO get mad at me

1/12/2008 12:06:42 AM

I know the guy that dated the girl that died. he works with me it was his ex.

1/12/2008 12:09:01 AM

go ahead and name drop, its ok

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1/12/2008 12:09:53 AM

u wouldnt know him. he it was b4 she dated the baseball player. and i wont name drop.

1/12/2008 12:18:17 AM

The passenger was a .04, the driver was a .17. The girl who died wasn't even drunk and knew her friend was more intoxicated than she was. I am thinking she knew she had had a drink or two, didnt wanna risk getting in touble, and since her friend wanted to drive, she agreed. Hey, whats the worst that can happen she probably thought? Her friend wrecks, or gets the DUI. No reason for her to worry right? To be honest, I have done the same thing many times before. If I had gotten in a serious accident and injured, I would blame nobody but myself for the situation I was in. I am sure if Emily were her today, she would most likely say the same. And if the driver wasnt drunk when this happened, that company or the city would be getting the shit sued out of them. I dont know about you, but me myself, if I am driving, drunk or not, I dont expect a fucking traffic camera to crash down on my car and kill people if I crash into it. The things should be designed to minimize injury and damage.

1/12/2008 12:29:57 AM

this thread makes me sad

1/12/2008 12:33:39 AM

the cameras crash down a lot.

1/12/2008 12:38:43 AM

I guess ya gotta hit them when you are sober. Then you can get $paid.

1/12/2008 12:50:47 AM

^ as fucked up as it is thats pretty much the case.

Fayetteville suspended their red light program not too long after this. For "contract reasons" or something.
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1/12/2008 1:15:08 AM

this kinda makes me want to write a letter to say that if I die because of something one of my good friends does, that they should not be held liable

1/12/2008 1:18:19 AM

I dont think anyone is holding her liable. Its just you shouldnt look at her as an innocent victim. If I am walking down the street and get hit by a stray bullet, then cry me a river and come to my funeral I am 100% innocent so to speak. If I get in a car with someone I know is drunk, and that person wrecks, and I die, dont act like I had nothing to do with it. Am I just as at fault as the drunk driver? No. Am I legally liable? No. Am I partly to blame for my death. I would say yes.


^oops, read that wrong, but my reply still stands on its own not relating to my missread.

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1/12/2008 1:28:25 AM