VOTE TODAY: Judicial Referendum

submitted by gump on Sunday, November 27 2005 at 10:21 PM

The Judicial Board will be transferred from Student Government into the Office of Student Conduct beginning in 2006.

VOTE TODAY: Monday and Tuesday (November 27 & 28)
http://vote.ncsu.edu

A YES vote removes the Judicial Branch from the Student Body Constitution.

A NO vote retains the Judicial Branch.

posted by Maugan on Monday, November 28 2005 at 10:16 AM

Finally.

I suggested removing the Judicial Board from SG long ago and I'm glad it'll finally come to fruition. It just doesn't make sense for the Chief Justice candidates (assuming that there are ever more than one) to have to campaign for what should be a non-partisan office.

11/28/2005 10:31:04 AM

WHO CARES???????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111111111111111111111

11/28/2005 10:51:20 AM

I thought that thanks to the Facebook fiasco, people would/should be a lot more interested in what goes on with the J-Board.

11/28/2005 10:55:36 AM

what was ever the decision in that facebook issue thing

11/28/2005 11:57:42 AM

details on facebook fiasco plz...

thxu

11/28/2005 12:08:58 PM

http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=360995

11/28/2005 1:01:06 PM

how many online voting referendum things have ever had more no votes than yes votes?

(because ive been told its either 0 or 1 where the nos have won, but the vast majority is always yes regardless of content)

11/28/2005 1:22:44 PM

I'm not sure how frequent it happens, but just last year, the SMA referendum failed because it failed to reach 2/3.

11/28/2005 1:39:17 PM

VOTE NO

11/28/2005 2:02:06 PM

Definitely vote no. Don't let the administration have even more power. Just think of all the things the administration has taken away or supported taking away: the brent road party, pigstock, tailgating for more than a few hours, etc. We have to keep what little power we still have.

11/28/2005 2:21:45 PM

The administration, and Paul Cousins, will retain the same amount of power they currently have. The Board of Trustees gives them their power through university statutes.

The Judicial Board is moving out of SG regardless of this referendum. Voting no means that some other kind of Judicial Branch will have to be created.

11/28/2005 3:41:45 PM

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"details on facebook fiasco plz..."

I will post as soon as exams are over regarding it. I haven't had any time this past week or this coming due to exams but I do have more about what is going on. Turns out 4 of 9 students WERE sent through Student Conduct instead of only University Housing -- I haven't heard of anyone yet getting displinary probation out of it but two cases are still ongoing where I imagine it could happen.

11/29/2005 7:02:40 AM

those 4 were only sent through Student Conduct because it was a second offense...the others won't go that far

and let me point out that admitting to knowing more than that is a breech of personal information and can be enough to be sent to Student Conduct as well (I've been questioned before for saying too much, so I know it's possible)

[Edited on November 29, 2005 at 12:19 PM. Reason : .]

11/29/2005 12:17:38 PM

well that is bullshit

11/29/2005 1:37:58 PM

nnnnnnnnnnnnno thank you

11/29/2005 1:52:27 PM

Kay_Yow I think I had you beat...

gump is right though, this is more a formality than a real decision. The J-Board as it's previously been known (the enforcer of the Code of Student Conduct) is being absorbed by the Office of Student Conduct regardless -- voting no on the referendum just means the Senate will have to create some new clusterfuck to take its place

11/29/2005 3:43:00 PM

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"TGD: Kay_Yow I think I had you beat..."

Touche.

I don't know if I like the idea of putting up a constitutional referendum that really doesn't amount to much...I think when students are already skeptical of Student Government, asking for students' opinions when it really doesn't matter, demoralizes them. I'm not sure if it could have been handled another way, but there must have been another way...

[Edited on November 29, 2005 at 8:34 PM. Reason : add]

11/29/2005 8:31:41 PM

don't know how the vote turned out, but really... do we want another j-board that's setup through the senate? and what's the point of this secondary group if the "real" j-board has the power to discipline as granted by the trustees? are they going to deliberate the "constitutionality" of senate resolutions? are they going to have power to enforce ethical standards over senators? i think the student body is already disenfranchised with sg. why create another partisan group that just perpetuates these feelings? either way... sg needs some serious reform and soul searching.

11/30/2005 11:41:56 AM

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"sg needs some serious reform"

abolition. Palpatine-style.

11/30/2005 2:00:48 PM

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"abolition. Palpatine-style."

Palpatine took a war and 22 years to abolish the senate (and even then still needed regional Governors) . He also lost power four years later...but yeah that might be a wise course of action.

[Edited on November 30, 2005 at 2:15 PM. Reason : ...]

11/30/2005 2:14:28 PM

That would be cool though, have a Moff for every college. And the only reason he lost power thereafter was because one of his cronies betrayed him (hehe...)

In all seriousness though, perhaps what student government at nc state needs is simply to be abolished and replaced with a better system. At UGA, they have a Constitutionally-mandated automatic referendum every 4 years on whether student government should be abolished or not. If they had one at NC State, you know how it would come out.

12/1/2005 1:42:36 PM

I think what the SG needs more than anything is a beefed up Technician to keep an eye on them, and forcing a reporter to sit through the entire meeting so anything stupid that gets said can be reported (like, oh just to pull something out of the ether here, voting down the Senator Accountability Act...and then in the next breath postponing a different bill b/c no one read it)

12/1/2005 4:23:37 PM

^ Initially, I was going to say that such things don't really matter, but then I did some reflecting. I thought, in particular about fee meetings when Senators knew the roll calls were going to be printed and how that changed people's behavior.

12/2/2005 8:27:19 AM

I won

53.3% no

12/2/2005 12:43:01 PM

^
haha wow...


^^
yeah you should see how many Senators first pass on these roll call votes now, to see how the other votes go down. Back in the day it was just 1 or 2, now it's like 10-15.

12/2/2005 2:21:03 PM

Wow, was there an actual campaign against this or did that many people just read it as giving student conduct more autonomy?

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"And the only reason he lost power thereafter was because one of his cronies betrayed him (hehe...) "

Actually the betrayal of Vader had no bearing on the outcome of the Battle of Endor/Destruction of the second Death Star and therefore the downfall of Palpatine. Had Vader not betrayed him both still would have been killed a few minutes later when the Death Star was destroyed. All it really did was allow Luke Skywalker to make it out alive.

12/3/2005 8:05:40 AM

it was my campaign.

12/4/2005 1:41:45 PM

^^ Perhaps. Or perhaps the Emperor, extremely steeped in the Force (but not adept enough to save himself from falling down a reactor core), would have been able to prevent the destruction somehow, or at least get his ass out of there.

Which brings up another question - what kind of a fool has their throne room around such an abnormally dangerous thing as a reactor core?

[Edited on December 6, 2005 at 2:05 AM. Reason : ??]

12/6/2005 2:04:12 AM

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" and let me point out that admitting to knowing more than that is a breech of personal information and can be enough to be sent to Student Conduct as well (I've been questioned before for saying too much, so I know it's possible) "

Horrah for the prison state! That's just what i would expect of a system as fucked up as what we've been lead to believe through this deal.

Whatever formalities they went through, student conduct, a meeting with the RA&D, I sure all of them got the charges finalized and the "diciplinary actions" delt with no chance to defend themselves aginst predetermined decisions.

12/6/2005 5:00:02 PM