A Call to Action

submitted by Cee-Jay on Wednesday, October 8 2003 at 5:37 PM

The Student Senate Tuition and Fee Committee has put in a resolution to
the Senate NOT supporting the Carmichael Gymnasium Expansion Fee. They
will make their final presentation on Wednesday, October 15 to the
Senate who will vote on this project. Here are two requests:

1. Come to the Student Senate meeting (7:30PM in the Student Senate
Chambers in Witherspoon) and bring anyone who has ever complained about
equipment, ventilation, classes, overcrowding or checking out boats! Campus Recreation
will provide badges to help you show your support. You will not all be
able to speak, but some of you may be recognized by the Senate to
express your views.

2. Start now by writing your senator(s) and encouraging others to do
the same...on this fee and on others. Express your opinion, and make
your voice heard. The directory for Student Senate is below:

[link]http://www.cgibin.ncsu.edu/stud_govt-bin/sg/public/directory.pl?mode=list&grp=sen&s=03&head=senate[/link]

Thanks for your help!

posted by JAllen1127 on Monday, October 13 2003 at 11:11 PM

NO GYM EXPANSION!!!!!


jesus christ i dont want to pay an extra hundred bucks per semester so that they can expand the gym when I WONT EVEN BE HERE TO BENEFIT FROM IT.

Just say no.

10/13/2003 11:26:42 PM

gg Cee Jay, it is good to still see people passionate about things that highly effect their lives here at NC State.

all i can say is goodluck

10/13/2003 11:27:20 PM

NO

10/14/2003 12:11:45 AM

no

10/14/2003 12:16:11 AM

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"an extra hundred bucks"

Is that information accurate? How much in additional fees per semester would it cost to expand the gym?

10/14/2003 6:14:12 AM

its not exact, but i know they were talking about possible fee increases of over 100 bucks, a large portion of which would be for the gym expansion.

10/14/2003 10:23:27 AM

checking out boats?

gee there's a lot about state I don't know about

10/14/2003 10:57:01 AM

I'm not a WolfWeb "poster", but I wanted to correct some information and answer a couple of questions. The Expansion fee being proposed for next year is $45 for debt service for the facility. This is an annual fee, not a semester fee. You may also have heard of an operating fee to go into effect as early as the following year of up to $29. Why are we telling you about both now? So we don't propose a fee today and another one in a year.

The facility will provide for over 10,500 square feet of weight-training and cardiovascular space that is available all hours the facility is open (we're not closing this space for class!). It also has four group fitness rooms (that will move classes off of the basketball courts) and a new outdoor adventures space. A juice bar, fitness assessment space, and other areas are also included.

I'll be glad to send anyone more information and I'll answer questions as often as I can.

Oh, can't forget Wolftrap! Check out the Campus Recreation website at http://www.ncsu.edu/campus_rec. The Outdoor adventures program here has a great Outdoor Storehouse where you can check out everything from tents to canoes.

10/14/2003 11:52:08 AM

so this is a serious question... if passed, how long would it take to be completed? would any of todays students benefit from it?

if fees are raised, it should be the students that benefit from it that have to pay them, not those of us who won't benefit from it.

10/14/2003 12:40:02 PM

I know we are still paying for the last expansion. Why can't we wait the (like 2 more years) until that is done and use that fee towards this one?

That is more than half if I am correct.....

10/14/2003 12:43:53 PM

We are atill paying a $15 dollar fee to pay off the swimming pool, and yes, I believe it's around 2006 when that fee will be retired...

10/14/2003 12:47:21 PM

Quote :

"Perlith: How much in additional fees per semester would it cost to expand the gym?"

Quote :

"Smath74: if passed, how long would it take to be completed? would any of todays students benefit from it"

Right now, the number is $74...a $45 increase in the indebtedness fee for 2004-2005 and a corresponding $29 increase in the operations fee for 2005-2006. According to the administration, the building would open in Fall 2006, so yes, it's likely that today's students will benefit from it.

I'll try to get the proposal from the fee forum on the web for students to access sometime today.

Quote :

"forkgirl: Why can't we wait the (like 2 more years) until that is done and use that fee towards this one?"

Good suggestion, I think. You currently pay the Carmichael Indebtedness fee, but it is only $15...that fee is used to pay off the bond issued for the gym's construction (or the newer portion at any rate). I'm not sure if/when those bonds expire, but I think you're right...it's 2 or 3 years down the line.

10/14/2003 12:52:50 PM

If I am reading that information correctly (and for sake of clarity for everybody):

45 + 29 = 74 ... which average out to $37 over 2 semesters (for most of us).

If implemented, when/how would the "annual fee" be charged? The first semester a student is considered full-time (academically) at the university for the physical year?

10/14/2003 12:53:53 PM

I'm not entirely sure I fully understand your question Perlith, but I'll do my best to address it as best I can.

Fees are determined every semester based on the number of hours you take, so if you're a part time student, for example, you don't pay the full fee amount. But for current, full-time non-Engineering undergraduates, you currently pay $507.50 per semester (engineers and graduate students have additional fees). So, yes....any full-time student would be required to pay the fee.

The $74 figure is a bit misleading, let me break it down further (just for Carmichael, if approved):

2004-2005 Academic Year:
Current Fees:
Physical Education and Recreational Sports Program Fee, $58
Carmichael Gymnasium Debt Service Fee, $15

Plus Proposed Increases:
Physical Education and Recreational Sports Program Fee, $7
Carmichael Gymnasium Debt Service Fee, $45
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Total Amount: $125 (or $65 and $60, respectively)

2005-2006 Academic Year:
Current Fees:
Physical Education and Recreational Sports Program Fee, $65
Carmichael Gymnasium Debt Service Fee, $60

Plus Proposed Increase:
Physical Education and Recreational Sports Program Fee, $29
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Total Amount: $154 (or $94 and $60, respectively)

10/14/2003 1:15:03 PM

Quote :

"According to the administration, the building would open in Fall 2006, so yes, it's likely that today's students will benefit from it."

well raise the fees when the building is open. not before that time. the students who it WON'T benefit shouldnt have to pay for it.

10/14/2003 1:22:04 PM

will my fees cover free juice at the juice bar?

10/14/2003 2:02:43 PM

As I understand it (and we may need Gym_Dir or another informed party to correct me), the Juice Bar would be operated by University Dining and would take cash or AllCampus Card as payment forms.

10/14/2003 3:10:18 PM

I personally don't see why I should pay for a gym I never use. I took my 2 PE classes there and that was enough for me. I don't see why every student should have to pay for the gym even if we didn't use it, they should charge a fee to students that want to be members (just like they do faculty) the gym is a burocracy and could save a fortune by itself if it would fire half the people that work there (no offense to any of them.) Money could be saved by maybe installing automated card swiping gates and by not having 20 people handing out towels/shirts/shorts that don't fit but adding on to the gym so it can service the small percentage of students that use it anyways is just not cool- especially if we're paying for it.

10/14/2003 3:42:38 PM

^
Medical fees are quite a bit per semester as well ... use the system or don't use it, you lose out by not using it.

Kay, my apologies, I meant to ask how the fee breakdown would be per semester. In short, what would be total amount of increase in fees (as a result of the gym expansion) that would have to be paid out in Spring 2004? (I am confused by the "annual fees" part of it. If I am not at NCSU for Spring 2004, would the full amount be paid in Fall 2004, or would it be a certain %? Apologies for the confusion, again, I'm ultimately trying to figure out the immediate impact).

10/14/2003 4:19:15 PM

As far as the management of the Juice Bar, Seth-Setesh is correct that the current plan is for the Juice bar to be operated by University Dining and that cash and All-Campus cards will be payment options.

Let me also address "will students today benefit from it", the answer to that one is YES! If the expansion is approved, we will allocate monies to update the current weight rooms and cardiovascular areas in preparation for the opening. We've started doing a little bit of that now, but would have the ability to move quicker to provide updated equipment. This means those paying the fee in Fall 2004 would have the benefit of using the new equipment and other upgrades through the opening in Fall 2006.

The current Carmichael Addition debt service (for the 1987 addition) expires at the end of 2006-2007. It will not be collected beginning in Fall 2007. This fee was originally $52 and was renegotiated down to $15 after 10 years.

Finally, Perlith, your question is a tough one, and Kay_Yow is correct. Fees are assessed based on credit hours not annualization. So if you are in classes only one semester, you pay only one semester's worth of fees (based on the number of hours you take).

10/14/2003 10:37:18 PM

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"Perlith: In short, what would be total amount of increase in fees (as a result of the gym expansion) that would have to be paid out in Spring 2004? (I am confused by the "annual fees" part of it. If I am not at NCSU for Spring 2004, would the full amount be paid in Fall 2004, or would it be a certain %?"

These increases have nothing to do with Spring 2004. Fees have already been set for this academic year (Fall 2003/Spring 2004) and there's no changing those.

Any increase for the Carmichael Expansion would not begin until Fall 2004 at which time it'd be $22.50 per semester ($45/year). That is, unless you're not a full time undergraduate, in which case the rate will be prorated...here's a link that explains that (somewhat):

http://www7.acs.ncsu.edu/cashier/Tuition/tuitionexplanation2003-2004.html

10/15/2003 11:01:54 AM

Get a life....just kidding guys,

Glad to see we are still arguing the same sorta things back at NC...

...Just don't get too hardy since I heard the student voice will get taken away in teh fee process due to you guyses stupidity....

good job.

Please try to regain your credibility for making decisions and go about it in a smart way next time.

10/17/2003 9:07:36 AM