i was the first to vote: yes, unconditionally.
bomb the hell outta the sandfleas.

10/17/2002 2:13:58 AM

if we can't keep isreal in check, or don't have russina/chinese/french support we're going to find ourselves in a much bigger war than we're prepared for right now

10/17/2002 9:20:00 AM

...because brown people don't matter

10/17/2002 9:20:09 AM

let another country get pissed off at us for attacking without their approval...

the us need only sit back and dare them to do something about it

most other countries simply dont have the balls, those that do lack the military to do any good

[Edited on October 17, 2002 at 2:11 PM. Reason : WE GOT A NEW POLL!!!!!]

10/17/2002 2:11:16 PM

10/17/2002 3:58:25 PM

This one is going to get a shit load of comments.

Be prepared for the:





[Edited on October 17, 2002 at 4:01 PM. Reason : foo]

10/17/2002 3:59:02 PM

Wreck shop

10/17/2002 6:14:45 PM

Quote :

"I don't see no quotebombs, Kenny"

10/20/2002 5:41:07 PM

THANK GOD FOR A NEW FUCKING POLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

10/21/2002 6:46:51 AM

It sad for Some of you to seat here and talk about we should do this and that? You know the biggest problem for us here in the US? is not iraq or saddm or bin fucken ladin or anybody. its our ignorance. It seems like some of us think these people we are bomoing are some sort of flies. they may be poor, may be not as eduacted as most of us, but they are people just like me and you have family who loves them. We, one way or the other breed this haterate aginst us. If we are so smart as we seem to think we are find out the way to get ride of the guy but not the kids. Poor souls for last 10+ years they were living in shit hole because of our so called Economic sanction! you think that hurt saddam a bit? Think again! we are only punishing the women and children.So i say to you next time some one ask you the same question think of the big picture and say would have you like america if you were one of them being boomed and killed. Try to put faces of real human being in place of those stupid statistics you here on CNN, "100 people killed when US piolt missed target" etc.. So please its not who has got the ball or who has not. We are talking people's life

10/24/2002 11:52:00 AM

maybe our biggest problem is with spelling

10/26/2002 12:01:20 PM

I think it's capitalization.

[Edited on October 26, 2002 at 3:46 PM. Reason : Use 2 spaces after a sentence. ]

10/26/2002 3:46:21 PM

Amazing to me is he attacked other countries and was allowed to remain in power. Hey, he just invaided another country, no big deal just let us inspect your facilities every once in a while and we'll act like nothing happened. Then he doesn't let inspectors in to do their job and everyone is against removing him from power because he has done anything wrong. Amazing short term memory.

10/27/2002 4:17:36 PM

10/28/2002 12:00:35 AM

I say we send the D.C. sniper over there and snipe Sadamn Insane out! Nothing better than killing two birds with one stone.

10/28/2002 3:13:56 PM

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"maybe our biggest problem is with spelling "

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"I think it's capitalization. "

Wow, Thanks for the tip! But there is one problem, Unlike you two , i dont major in high school topic i.e (Histroy and Chemistry). But i understand your positions after all you have to feel good about your self so im sure you picked the only topic you can critisize me so, good for you. Future middle school teachers!

10/28/2002 11:01:49 PM

Unconditionally:

Fuck Saddam. I'm sure many of those people over there are just fine, but fuck Saddam.

BTW benyam (and anyone else who voted no), you clearly don't understand what we're facing if you're against removal of saddam from power.
People are going to die either way. Saddam isn't exactly feeding his people over there, he's killing his people, and those in surrounding countries, and in no small numbers mind you. If we can prevent it from happening further, good, but the whole issue of our taking him from power results from the awakening we got September 11. Saddam is just like bin Laden in the respect that he's just sittin back, waitin for the right time to take us out. The only difference is Saddam will be able to do it more effectively and on a larger scale.

We can't just sit around and wait for him to produce weapons of mass destruction. That's all we're doing by not taking action against him. We've got a problem on our hands with North Korea now that they have nuclear capabilities. Saddam has already proven he will no negotiate (Gulf War).

I have great respect for human life, and if it is going to exist on a large scale, the people who take life on a large scale (for no greater purpose) must be destroyed. If a couple thousand lives have to be lost to provide a life for future generations, then so be it. I know it sounds harsh, but this is the cycle of life we must deal with in the messed up world we're living in.

It took a revolution and a loss of many lives in the 18th century to gain our freedom, and today, our quality of life is much better. Since the people of Iraq cannot fight for themselves to rid themselves of their dictator, someone must do it for them. Maybe they are willing to sacrifice lives (and yes, it's a shame that women and children will die...I hate to think of it), but every last member of Iraq's society will be battered, bruised and killed for the remainder of their lives if Saddam and similar dictators remain in power.

I do not like war, but I like life. If Saddam stays in power, who knows who will exist in America and other countries in the future. For us to continue living, we must remove Saddam.

10/30/2002 4:40:47 AM

bjkepler00:

Good point! i Agree with you. But your missing the big picture. Why is america hated so much by so many people all over the world? Its not like all these people of many nation get together and say "okay from now on lets hate America". No, it boils down to american policies in these nations. What i am trying to say is, this thing is bigger than just one person. Saddam is horiable person whom ameica helped for so many years. I heard some one say on TV one time that " we are our own enemy". If you think you will stop the hating and the danger by removing saddam while in the process killing millions of life then you are wrong. All it will result is more hate and more people like bin ladin and saddam. You dont want make more enemies in the process of removing one guy. Stop the Hippocratic Policy.

10/30/2002 10:18:40 AM

People are always going to hate us, whether we take out Saddam or not. The people in the Middle East don't agree with our policies when it comes to our presence there, and neither do I when it comes down to it. But these people are going to continue to die in masses if we leave leaders like Saddam in power.

Whether or not people like us though, it would be nice to live a few more years, and I honestly don't know how much longer some of us will last if Saddam continues his reign. There will be more people who pop up after Saddam's gone, but they will not have enough support (financially) to move soon like Saddam has.

Yes, we need to change our policies here, but that goes into a whole other argument about immigration laws and enforcement. We need to focus on and fix that too, but right now we need to keep our eye on our biggest problem (because he really is whether we want to admit it or not).

You're focusing too much on what will result from this (which is logical), but you must also look back on what resulted on our sitting back in the 90s with Clinton in power. We let al Qaeda formulate a massive plan to kill thousands of Americans, and if they were only a little smarter and a little more patient, who knows what would have happened September 11th. bin Laden and al Qaeda were able to do all that because we didn't do anything. We will suffer the consequences of our own stupidity on a much larger scale if we don't take care of Saddam now.

Just keep in mind, people will always hate us, it doesn't matter what we do, we're pure evil to so many people out there. It's too bad, but this is our reality.

10/30/2002 1:37:10 PM

We need to just bomb the shit out of them, and send Sadam straight to hell

10/31/2002 2:53:02 PM

Quote :

"Wow, Thanks for the tip! But there is one problem, Unlike you two , i dont major in high school topic i.e (Histroy and Chemistry). But i understand your positions after all you have to feel good about your self so im sure you picked the only topic you can critisize me so, good for you. Future middle school teachers!"

Chemistry isn't taught in middle school. You should go back there one day and learn how to take a joke before you question my major.

10/31/2002 11:50:18 PM

Shut up Bi&ch who cares about your Major

11/1/2002 12:58:11 PM

well, the way I see it, if we don't kill the Iraqi people with our bombs, Saddam will. By starving them and depriving them of medicine because he used all the many billions of dollars in aid sent by other countries (mainly the United States) to build weapons of mass destruction. And from where I sit, the Iraqi people have a better shot of dealing with a war and a new leader then to continue with Saddam and starve.

11/4/2002 4:53:43 PM

NO, I'm sick of seeing people die. I don't want people in Iraq to die and I don't want Americans to die.

11/6/2002 1:10:47 AM

news flash - iraqi's have been dying, that's what happens when you test chemical and biological weapons on your populace. also starvation due to the military being the primary beneficiary of all the government (and foreign aid) support. plus saddam is a dangerous tyrant, that if left unchecked could become a major major problem for world (and our national) security in a allready very unstable region.

11/6/2002 12:08:52 PM

They haven't done anything for the past ten years, they show no signs of doing anything, and the CIA report says that they are highly unlikely to do anything, unless provoked. Our attack would be completely unprovoked and unsubstatiated, especially since president Bush has failed to convicingly argue that Iraq poses any threat to US interests.

11/9/2002 12:42:38 PM

Ok, America goes in, takes over and removes (maybe by death) Saddam from power. Great. Now who runs the show? We set up one of our paper governments (look up how well these have done in the past) and put people in the government who we can control. Hell, that's one reason Saddam is still there, we can control him to an extent. We don't want his sons in office for they are much crazier than he is. Why are we after Iraq? They have nukes...yeah, so does China, Russia, France, and several other countries we're not on the best terms with, and we don't know about all of their armaments. Half of the deal is Bush's personal vendetta. That's why I don't agree unless we can get support from the UN. Since this just happened I guess it's a little better.

11/14/2002 10:41:43 AM

Sandfleas??? What an intelectual comment, you definatly deserve to be a university student. Im so glad to see the intelectual level of the future leaders of america.

11/14/2002 6:11:54 PM

are u guys college students?
i doubt that, and if thats so, i can see a bright future for this nation, and it also shows how much time u guys spend watchin channels like FOX.
fuckin republicans...

11/14/2002 6:38:31 PM

Boming iraq unconditionally will create nothin but more hate toward america.
next thing we gonna see is another sept 11 except this time, it wont just be NY and DC.

11/14/2002 6:45:14 PM

George Bush is just pickin on iraq cause his daddy told him to finish wat he couldnt finish in1990. and if George Bush was a real man, he wouldnt be pickin on a weak country like Iraq. he would rather be doin more useful stuff like solving the economic crisis and looki for bin laden.

11/14/2002 6:57:05 PM

so, we all agree....bomb them

11/15/2002 10:24:45 PM

^ bitch

11/18/2002 8:01:49 PM

Hey let's not attack Germany and the nazi's we might accidently kill some german civilians that all hate us due to propaganda........ who are the jews? Basically that's what deciding to not attack iraq is doing. same concept new age. just my $.02

11/20/2002 3:00:04 AM

^ shut the fuck up

11/22/2002 6:50:49 PM

okydoky gonna rule the world soon

11/22/2002 6:51:08 PM

All of the conservative viewpoints on here are supported by the thought that we could actually succeed in getting to Saddam. We didn't do it very effectively 12 years ago...and we left that country looking like a scrap pile. We didn't do it effectively with bin Laden. Why do we assume we'll do it effectively if we try a second time with Hussein?

All of the liberal view points on here are supported by the thought that we'd kill people. Well, the conservatives have a point...people are dying anyway. And as sick as I think killing innocent people is...we COULD potentially make life better for years to come.

Now here's how I feel on the matter:
I think that Pres. Bush isn't doing this because his father started it 12 years ago...that'd be idiotic...and as stupid as Bush is...he's not an idiot. Far from it...in fact he's doing this because he's terribly smart. Is it in the best interest of the majority? No...but it IS in HIS best interest. If he can keep up the patriotic vibe that has been around since Sept. 11 and lead us in some major military movement then he will forever beseen as "the president who didn't stand by when there were threats to America." I think that's what he cares about...re-election and legecy. He has not thought about the horrid truth that we might not succeed.

IF we do succeed then we have dead civilians, dead American military personel, but better living standards for an entire nation...and a bit of peace of mind.

If we do not succeed then we have dead Iraqi civilians, dead Americans, possibly worse living conditions (due to the fact that money will go to rebuild any damage we've done...and we'll have ruined homes and personal property)...and we'll aslo have one really pissed off person who might have Nuclear power and other possible warfare tactics still in power in a country that now hates us even more.

This all excludes the thought of support from other nations...don't make me go into that.

I would have voted yes if we were even remotely sure we could get him...but our track record is bad when it comes to these things.

11/23/2002 9:08:29 AM

u already have the palestinian/israeli conflict going on, starting another war in the middle east might lead to a major crisis in the region. Now so far the bush administration has done absolutely nothin to bring the parties together (unlike clinton) and try to solve or reach to a solution. If saddam attacks israel during an american action, i dont think they r not gonna stand there and watch like they did in 1990, since they have a crazy guy like sharon. and then the arabs will stand by saddam and will regard him as a hero. without the arabs on our side, it would look really bad, and people might be more and more symathetic with groups like bin laden's and the believe that america's only intrest is to control middle east oil will grow dramaticaly.

by the way, i dont think saddam is that crazy or stupid to attack us with nuclear bombs even if he makes them. and sayin that he would give them to bin laden? i mean that is bullshit, bin laden hates all arab leaders, and regards saddam as a non-muslim communist motherfucker.

11/23/2002 9:29:19 PM

let's take out a country who hasnt attacked us or given us reason to think they will attack us, we'll take out their leader and put in one more friendly to us now, but will later run planes into our buildings

11/25/2002 9:41:39 PM

lets bomb israel first.

11/27/2002 4:55:37 PM

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"Hey let's not attack Germany and the nazi's we might accidently kill some german civilians that all hate us due to propaganda........ who are the jews? Basically that's what deciding to not attack iraq is doing. same concept new age. just my $.02 "

Yr a fucking idiot. It's not even the same concept. First off, Germany declared war on us. Secondly, they were allied with Japan, who attacked us first. Third, Germany had already invaded sovereign nations. Fourth, we were allied with Britain, Russia, and the French resistance, who were all fighting the Germans. In the case of Iraq they haven't attacked anybody, they aren't diplomatically allied with our enemies, and we aren't in an alliance with anybody who is currently fighting with them. The entire region wants us to stay out of there, and so does the majority of the rest of the world. Maybe you should think about your historical comparisons before you make them, kthxbye

11/29/2002 9:34:12 PM

Ok, in the order that I get to them as I go down the list:

Quote :

"if we can't keep isreal in check, or don't have russina/chinese/french support we're going to find ourselves in a much bigger war than we're prepared for right now"

But they aren't going to establish a definate position till someone moves.

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"let another country get pissed off at us for attacking without their approval... the us need only sit back and dare them to do something about it "

More or less dead on. For all the "condeming" that the other countries of the world are doing, no one is taking a stand. Until someone does, problems are going to continue, period.

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"It sad for Some of you to seat here and talk about we should do this and that? You know the biggest problem for us here in the US? is not iraq or saddm or bin fucken ladin or anybody. its our ignorance. It seems like some of us think these people we are bomoing are some sort of flies. they may be poor, may be not as eduacted as most of us, but they are people just like me and you have family who loves them. We, one way or the other breed this haterate aginst us. If we are so smart as we seem to think we are find out the way to get ride of the guy but not the kids. Poor souls for last 10+ years they were living in shit hole because of our so called Economic sanction! you think that hurt saddam a bit? Think again! we are only punishing the women and children.So i say to you next time some one ask you the same question think of the big picture and say would have you like america if you were one of them being boomed and killed. Try to put faces of real human being in place of those stupid statistics you here on CNN, "100 people killed when US piolt missed target" etc.. So please its not who has got the ball or who has not. We are talking people's life"

Yeah, war will play hell with their lives. But I only need point you to two contries which we devestated (Germany and Japan) to show you that as Americans, we have this strange behavior of cleaning up our messes and helping countries to rebuild. So while the war is going on their lives would indeed be hell (as if it isn't already). The anialation and restructuring of the (currently corrupt) government in Iraq would be benneficial in the long run.

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"Amazing to me is he attacked other countries and was allowed to remain in power. Hey, he just invaided another country, no big deal just let us inspect your facilities every once in a while and we'll act like nothing happened. Then he doesn't let inspectors in to do their job and everyone is against removing him from power because he has done anything wrong. Amazing short term memory."

Exactly, and attack on Iraq would merely be finishing what we started so long ago.

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"I say we send the D.C. sniper over there and snipe Sadamn Insane out! Nothing better than killing two birds with one stone."

Hmm, and that would even avoid that pesky law about not being able to assasinate foriegn leaders (sort of like, IIRC, the Bay of Pigs invasion)

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"Why is america hated so much by so many people all over the world?"

Very easy to answer, we have money and power. You need look no further than the rabid hatred for the rich in america to notice that humans hate rich powerful people.

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"You dont want make more enemies in the process of removing one guy."

Hmm, maybe so, but I see this more of the school yard bully situation. Until the kid getting picked on stands up and beats the snot out of the bully, things are going to get worse. Sure by beating the bully he may make more enemies, but he also earns a level of respect and maybe a few of the people who were to afraid to seperate themselves from the bully will move to his side now.

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"Just keep in mind, people will always hate us, it doesn't matter what we do, we're pure evil to so many people out there. It's too bad, but this is our reality."

Exactly

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"Chemistry isn't taught in middle school."

What crappy ass middle school did you go to? Chemestry was all 8thgrade science. We were memorizing LeChatlier's (sp?) principle back then .

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"NO, I'm sick of seeing people die. I don't want people in Iraq to die and I don't want Americans to die."

So then the question is, do we leave it up to the military to do their job and eliminate the threat with as few casualties as possible or do we wait for time, starvation and disease to eliminate the threat (and innocents). Despite the media portrayals, the millitary is not out to harm civilians. If at all possible it is avoided with extreme care. Problem is, Sadam likes to use civillians as human shields.

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"he would rather be doin more useful stuff like solving the economic crisis and looki for bin laden."

Umm, what economic crisis?
And as fo rlooking for binladen, one of the best ways to draw someone out of hiding is to make them think you aren't looking for them anymore. Ergo, focus on Iraq. Kill two birds with one stone.

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"Yr a fucking idiot. It's not even the same concept. First off, Germany declared war on us. Secondly, they were allied with Japan, who attacked us first. Third, Germany had already invaded sovereign nations. Fourth, we were allied with Britain, Russia, and the French resistance, who were all fighting the Germans. In the case of Iraq they haven't attacked anybody, they aren't diplomatically allied with our enemies, and we aren't in an alliance with anybody who is currently fighting with them. The entire region wants us to stay out of there, and so does the majority of the rest of the world. Maybe you should think about your historical comparisons before you make them, kthxbye"

Iraq has been taking pot shots at us for 12 years now. Iraq has previously invaded other nations, we just never finished dealing with that. We wer not allied with brittain and france before the war, we wanted to remain as removed from the conflict as possible, go read on on Isolationism. Iraq may not be "diplomaticaly aligned" with our enemies, but really we have no enemies. And yes the world want's to stay out of there because they see an explosion comming. And it's coming one way or the other, the question is, are we going to try to get in the first shot?

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"u already have the palestinian/israeli conflict going on"

and it's been going on for years, sad truth is, it will keep going on, because neither side will give in or give concessions.

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"Now so far the bush administration has done absolutely nothin to bring the parties together (unlike clinton) and try to solve or reach to a solution."

Yeah, look how wel that worked. The leaders signed a truce, the leaders were assasinated (by their own people) and it started all over again. I've said it before I will say it again THERE IS NO TRUCE WITH SOMEONE WHO WANTS YOU DEAD.

12/2/2002 12:48:10 AM

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"Hmm, maybe so, but I see this more of the school yard bully situation. Until the kid getting picked on stands up and beats the snot out of the bully, things are going to get worse. Sure by beating the bully he may make more enemies, but he also earns a level of respect and maybe a few of the people who were to afraid to seperate themselves from the bully will move to his side now."

You made a good analysis here, although i thnk you intended for the bully to be Iraq, however in real life we are more or less the bully, pissed off because some one hit us in the back while we weren't looking, and now all the other kids (nations) try and act nice to the bully because they dont want to get beat up, except one, who hasn't done anything to the bully, but is unwilling to bow down to the bully (iraq)

12/2/2002 1:12:11 PM

Attacking Iraq is a horrible idea. I am glad everyone is so patriotic and willing to support the military, but this is a stupid idea. To think that America, with a smaller army than Iraq, can walk into Iraq and hose them and take out their leader is both arrogant and ignorant. Throughtout history armies with their homeland and/or freedom on the line have found ways to decimate it's opponents if not completely win the war (i.e. Spartacus's army vs. the Roman army, U.S. vs. Great Britian, U.S. vs Vietnam). Furthermore, who is to say the next leader of Iraq will be any less of a tyrant or anti-American than Saddam is? And most importantly let's remember, this war is not about terrorism or biological weapons, or freedom (as we would be imposing our will on the Iraqi people and quelching their freedom), but this war is about oil, plain and simple. I personally do not and will not ever agree with a man who sends thousands of people to put their lives on the line and kill thousands of other people over oil, our army should be given more respect than that.

12/3/2002 1:37:00 AM

^rock on!

12/3/2002 3:02:58 PM

I think we must fix our economy before we can even CONSIDER taking any action. Furthermore, it seems that, on the whole, the world is not really "with us." Taking any action against Iraq would signal to the world that we, as a nation, act rashly and without true provocation. We have nukes and other devices, too. Do we really have a moral superiority to Iraq? Maybe a little by virtue of our democratic government, but that does not mean that we have a right to do away with any nation.

12/6/2002 3:34:11 PM

^ the thing is bush thinks that after invading iraq he could use or should i say steal the iraqi oil to pay for the war expenses and to fix the economy. dont ever think that this whole war is about saddam or iraq or terrorism, it all ends up to money.

12/9/2002 5:11:45 PM

^I think it has to do with revenge in a sense.... Bush is trying to get Saddam for trying to kill his dad. The oil is just a bonus.

12/10/2002 12:28:44 PM

Where the Hell is Iraq?

12/11/2002 10:42:57 PM

NO

12/12/2002 1:49:48 AM

overall I consider us as a nation to be a little too trigger happy. I am currently abroad and no one over here is fooled by the anti ter. antics of Bush... everyone knows it's for the oil and every thinks Bush is an idiot(though they believe that he is coming along maybe gaining some braincells or something or thinking more who knows). Though they(the french) believe the Towers to be a horrible trajedy and they do sympathi, it was a much needed wake up call for America in general that what we do affects the rest of the world and we need to be aware of it. That we are not untouchable so to speak as so many of us unfortunately believe. As far as the bomb the fuckers comments I heard... the racial comments (i really hope you were joking if not i truly feel sorry for you).. we have on numerous occasions bombed the shit out of various countries killing thousands and never really felt the impact because chances are the few thousand soldiers that it took to make it happen were probably uninjured or the few that did die( which most likely could not be compared to the death toll we inflicted which most likely involved alot of woman and children) we didn't know. All I am saying is that the officials really need to think about what war might lead to... if he corners someone who has nothing to gone on chances are they will be more then willing to do something stupid like setting of nuclear weapons. The Hottest film to watch is Bowling for Columbine which I find to be depressingly enough true and throroughly recommend( i also heard it was outlawed in some states.. is that true). Don't get me wrong I love America and I can't wait to be home but I wish we would take the rest of the world into account before we start something and kill people (i have two cousins on the line who are in the forces who i care for very much) when what we could do instead is just pay the 1.40 whatever for gas and not have enough money to buy that 3rd car or whatever else we feel we really need or God forbid actually carpool.

by the way gas here is 1.15 per litre so we can shut up about it

12/12/2002 7:56:39 AM

We need a new poll.

12/13/2002 4:08:54 PM

Yes!!!!!!!!! Then I say we pave it and build an Exxon!

12/14/2002 11:42:15 AM

read and re-read what muchado said, and after you decide that you know everything, read what she posted again, and then post what you think

p.s. read the book Ishmael , then post.

12/22/2002 3:13:52 AM

Ask Ron Jeremy what he thinks

12/22/2002 8:51:42 AM

lets make the middle east glow in the dark ... the only thing theyre good for are those entertaining rock throwing wars and oil. the world needs a night light...nuke em'

12/26/2002 4:52:17 PM

can we have an new poll? like who's going to the gator bowl or something

or a new years one

this one has been up FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

12/27/2002 1:27:59 AM

lets have one about the favorite beer

12/27/2002 11:22:17 AM

lets have one about the favorite beer

12/27/2002 11:22:17 AM

^ STFU bitch

12/28/2002 2:19:19 AM

We need a new poll.

12/29/2002 9:14:31 PM

Has anyone stopped to think about death? Seriously. All of you charming guys on this poll who want to "make them glow" are the brave bodies that will be drafted should we enter into an all out war. Are you willing to die for your country or do you just want someone else to take care of it? It's obvious that racism is rampid at NCSU, this poll only supports state-wide opinions of the university itself. Freedom in America is great. We're free to hate as many people as we want. We're free to be assholes. We're free to lie to our own people about our status in the world. Most of all, we're free to believe the lies. This is such an awful representation of our school, I'm embarassed to say I might even know some of you. But if you get your way, and we go to war, you'll be dead in the end...or your brother will be...or your high school friend. Death is final and unconditional. If you have to ability to understand how real death is, challenge yourself to think about those in the Middle East. They're people, too; and they will die. Are their lives worth less than those of Americans? Is it worth it to take their lives as a distraction from our own economic failures? That is one of the most central goals of this "war on terrorism." I know many of you will be too thick headed to even try to comprehend this situation, 'cause it ain't what your daddy told ya. The ignorance represented on this poll is equivalent to the hatred of American's by terrorists and their will to die to kill some of us. That sentence alone probably confused many of you, I can't expect any better from you.

PS
I love how you insult each other on the basis of grammar and spelling to avoid the issues at hand. The issues aren't issues at all, right? They're trivial. What's important is to insult your classmates...being a bully, just like your great country-ignoring the issues, insulting others to divert attention from your own ignorance to their mishaps, which are, of course, only mishaps by your standards and yours are the only ones that matter, right?

12/30/2002 9:55:27 AM

^ see thats exactly what am talkin about

12/30/2002 2:51:43 PM

Hmmm.......let's think about it folks. Sadam has been doing the same old shit for quite some time now and yet we chose RIGHT NOW to do something about it. Maybe that's because now is a good time to "sell" a war. I mean, we couldn't get Bin Laden so let's shift America's attention away from the real and imminent threats to our nation's well being, and instead bomb the hell out of Sadam who, for the last year, has posed no threat whatsoever to the American people. And why, because its good for the economy and our country's "moral". Its just plain ignorant.

[Edited on January 2, 2003 at 9:46 PM. Reason : typo]

1/2/2003 9:38:08 PM

We need a new poll.

1/4/2003 9:38:46 PM

The same drippy, sappy, "oh I care about the smaller guy" in this discussion is to the point where I'm needing a hose to breathe.

All the things that the anti-war people are proposing are borderline appeasement. You know what the "appeasers" justified their actions as? Retribution from the Treaty of Versailles. See, some people thought that the stipulations of the Treaty of Versailles were far to harsh. The French, having been invaded twice in the past 50 or so years by the Prussians (then Germans) wanted to rest assured that Germany would not rise again. By the 1930's, the apologists had come to power, as had Hitler. When Hitler expanded into previously Prussian lands held by France, he claimed it was for economic expansion to pay off the war debt(among other excuses). While Hitler was training and building an army for the next world war, the whole world just fed him everything he wanted, all because they did not want to relieve the horrors of ww1.

Now I'm not saying that Saddam is a Hitler (even though he took Kuwait for "economic expansion" and kills Kurds like Hitler killed Jews). Even though back in the 1930's, we didn't have spy satellites, the fact of the matter is that Hitler's machine of war was growing unchecked by the political powers of the world, whose to say that Saddam isn't brewing up a cocotion of his own Auchwitz under the noses of the weapons inspectors. The head of the weapons inspectors have been to Iraq three times, and to my knowledge, hasn't found a damn thing, even though we know Saddam has used chemical weapons on the Kurds.

For me, the risks of going to war and finishing what daddy Bush started outweigh the risks of sitting back and appeasing him. Even though history doesn't repeat itself, one can definitely draw themes throughout, and learn from them.

(Please note, I'm writing this at 2:48am, and as a history major, am ashamed at the lack of evidence I used, and unreferenced remarks. Although, it is 2:49am now, and a stack of primary documents hasn't miraculously landed in my lap, so maybe I don't feel so bad afterall)

Quote :

"Wow, Thanks for the tip! But there is one problem, Unlike you two , i dont major in high school topic i.e (Histroy and Chemistry). But i understand your positions after all you have to feel good about your self so im sure you picked the only topic you can critisize me so, good for you. Future middle school teachers!"

Sorry, no middle school teacher here. I'm going to work for the State Department. Yea, thats right, I'm going to be advising politicians on foreign policy. Doesn't that make you feel so much better?

1/6/2003 2:46:43 AM

Oh, and perhaps the greatest piece of foreign policy to spew forth from this so called glutton of the international community is the Marshall Plan. Such a plan has already been discussed for Iraq following any war, but its generally agreed that any dollars sent to Iraq while Saddam and his dictator-party are in power would not be going to bread and batteries but to bullets and bio-weapons instead.

For those of you that are concerned about the Iraqi people suffering during a war, thats courageous of you, sitting behind your computer monitors in your nice heated bedroom. What you may have forgotten is that Iraq has been in a state of warfare for quite some time. The Iraqi people have seen war, and the only times when there is peace, is when Saddam goes into survivalist mode, and knows he can't win.

Right now, Saddam is in survivalist mode. There is a carrier battlegroup parked at his doorstep with the destruction potential of more than all the European Countries.. combined. I assure you, weapons inspectors would not be allowed into Iraq if the USS Nimitz weren't prowling about.

I don't think I'm a war monger, but I believe that it has come to a point where talk has gotten cheap, and Saddam needs to go. His past transgressions have left him as untrustworthy in an international political arena and his method of rule is not a strong argument to trust what he says either. If Saddam TRUELY cared about the wellbeing of his people, he would step down and place control of the country into the hands of a popular-elected governing body. If he doesn't, then his people will face another war, and most likely end up with a puppet government of the United States, which I think we all agree, wouldn't follow the Marshall-plan-model.

1/6/2003 2:57:46 AM

sure

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