we didn't get a real one in 2024 but I'm looking forward to seeing if the Democrats can put up a decent candidate next round. not looking good so far with Harris in the mid 30s and nobody else really hitting double digits other than sometimes Buttigieg, but we shall see! I suspect we'll start to see candidates file with the FEC by the end of summer.

I supported Dean Phillips in 2024 as he was the only elected Democrat willing to put his career on the line to actually speak the truth that Biden running for reelection was a disaster in the making. He's out of Congress now and not sure if he'll run again, but he'll get my first look if he decides to.

2/7/2025 2:38:15 PM

Just. Give. Me. Someone. Sane.

2/7/2025 8:29:51 PM

^^He seemed like a good guy. Hard to see him emerging as a national figure, but perhaps in an open primary. Maybe similar to Mayor Pete? And might it be helpful to get rid of Super Delegates?

2/7/2025 8:40:14 PM

Does Pete have a chance? I like him a lot, but the right wing media will do their best to remind us all how gay weak he is.

2/7/2025 10:24:23 PM

AOC ride or die

there won't be any more elections btw

2/7/2025 11:37:02 PM

AOC is the only choice

2/8/2025 2:07:31 AM

I mean, I would vote for her, but it seems like the only choice if we want to keep losing.

2/8/2025 7:13:25 AM

One thing maybe everyone on tww can agree with? Anybody but Newsome.

2/8/2025 9:48:54 AM

I figured it was going to be wes moore. Vanilla as fuck

2/8/2025 10:11:58 AM

Unfortunately for America, I won't be 35 by then

2/8/2025 10:56:51 AM

What about Klobuchar?

At the least, what do you think about her taking over leadership for the Senate Democrats?

2/9/2025 11:35:51 AM

klobuchar is a party insider bot with zero vision. she's perfect for dem senate leadership.





harris and aoc have zero chance.

elon just tweeted a cnn interview with phillips about doge

[Edited on February 13, 2025 at 11:55 AM. Reason : . ]

2/13/2025 11:38:48 AM

^ Aside from who is going to sell a supposed Democratic platform. What even is the platform and who is the enemy and what is their weakness?

Right now, the technocratic elite are firmly entrenched on the right. The Democratic platform must counterbalance this with something that resonates with the public—real, tangible issues that impact everyday lives.

One area of focus with this in mind is the exploitation of individuals by generative AI. Parents are rightly concerned about their children’s faces and voices being scraped from social media and repurposed by corporations without consent. Struggling musicians are watching their work get co-opted into AI-generated tracks, then sold in ad campaigns without compensation. These injustices strike a nerve, and addressing them head-on is a winning strategy. Stories about this make compelling narratives. Shift away from Scarlett tweeting in a Gulf Stream about the wrongs of her likeness being exploited and more focus on every day people.

Additionally, the Democratic platform needs a real revitalization plan—not just throwing billions of dollars at Nvidia chips while a skeleton crew of 40 people runs a data center. On paper, investing billions in a rural area like BFE, Louisiana, might sound great—local politicians and landowners will love it—but it doesn’t actually help middle-class workers in any meaningful way. The key is framing the issue effectively: highlighting why these tech-heavy investments don’t translate to widespread economic benefits, while also offering a better alternative.

Anything that looks like corruption or favoritism toward Elon Musk’s companies—like bailouts for Tesla—could be a strong point of attack. However, the alternative solutions need to be genuinely better. If the argument is that Boeing deserves government support while SpaceX is out there live-streaming rocket landings and making spaceflight look futuristic, that’s going to be a tough sell.

Climate change narratives are too abstract for regular people. You need something cool, concrete and visual to be the "party of science."

On the health front, it’s time to pivot away from the misleading “healthy at any size” narrative. Obesity is a real public health crisis, and smart policy decisions can help lower fatalities and shift focus to something that would have practical help. This doesn’t mean ceding the conversation to RFK-style paranoia, but rather focusing on practical solutions—ensuring that diabetes drugs are affordable while pushing for broader initiatives that encourage better nutrition and exercise. Make sure the spokes people aren't 300 lbs with blue hair and pokemon tattoos.

Antiwar narratives, particularly in the middle east, seem to be popular on both sides of the aisle. Really ram home the idea that DOGE and the like are just a cover to launder money into new boondoggle war efforts where possible (new money to Israel and Gaza help).

2/13/2025 12:44:55 PM

Yes

2/13/2025 1:13:56 PM

Quote :

"One area of focus with this in mind is the exploitation of individuals by generative AI. Parents are rightly concerned about their children’s faces and voices being scraped from social media and repurposed by corporations without consent. Struggling musicians are watching their work get co-opted into AI-generated tracks, then sold in ad campaigns without compensation. These injustices strike a nerve, and addressing them head-on is a winning strategy. Stories about this make compelling narratives. Shift away from Scarlett tweeting in a Gulf Stream about the wrongs of her likeness being exploited and more focus on every day people."

this is the one that worries me the most. there's already a backlash against AI, and I understand where it comes from, but this is (or at least has the potential to be) one of if not the most important technological development humanity has ever created, and it would be a terrible shame if the people turn against it right out of the gate.

the new social contract needs to become some version of "we're going to build these systems using all knowledge/information/data humanity has ever created and will create going forward, and in return you're all going to have free/cheap access to it and ideally it'll also create so much wealth and prosperity that you'll all also get a universal basic income too"

[Edited on February 13, 2025 at 1:39 PM. Reason : . ]

2/13/2025 1:39:01 PM

^ yeah I'm obviously bullish and on the AI hype train, but it seems to work as an attack. Trying to think of real things they could use to build a platform.

I think the basic income could work, but the "responsibility/accountability" crisis that is discussed on the right seems to resonate with young people much more. The edge cases of basic income coupled with human nature make me hard against.

[Edited on February 13, 2025 at 1:50 PM. Reason : A]

2/13/2025 1:48:50 PM

moved from the Dem credibility thread

in the interest of getting back to "how can the dems win in 2028"

Quote :

"Looks like walz, Pritzker, Buttigieg and newsome are the ones making moves so far to try and be candidates."

i saw newsome is doing a podcast. what's going on with the other 3?

I think people were fine with Walz as VP, but I doubt he's going to make much noise as candidate for President.

Pritzker I don't know enough about to say what his prospects are

Buttigieg might have what it takes to go to the distance. He might have a hard time distancing himself (let alone explaining) from some of the woke excesses of the last decade, but at least he's not out there giving pep rally speeches to DSA like AOC does.

[Edited on March 4, 2025 at 6:02 PM. Reason : ^ forgot about that. will need to address some of the UBI stuff at some point.]

3/4/2025 6:01:50 PM

Debate with vance alone turned me off from that dude. I doubt he would drastically improve his debate prowess by 2028. Definitely seems like someone that could appeal to disaffected republicans though. (Nttawwt tgl3, moron, etc)

[Edited on March 4, 2025 at 7:01 PM. Reason : Talking about walz, who i never considered to be trying for pres in 2028]

3/4/2025 7:01:22 PM

^^
Walz has said he might run and is planning to hold town halls in republican districts to help democratic challengers. He has a very clear an plain speaking style that I think people will like

Pritzker I’ve seen a lot in news interviews and also has a blue collar appeal but also great at dismantling trump lies

Buttigieg has just been trying to keep himself in the news despite lacking any official role.

Newsome is my least favorite but he’s got a lot of credibility. If we presume jd Vance is the guy— I think anyone of these people would crush him in a debate at least. Vance is learning to shamelessly lie like trump which voters seem to value. Pritzker has the most gravitas IMO— he just looks like a leader that will crack heads to fix the trump damage.

3/4/2025 9:35:20 PM

Quote :

"On the health front, it’s time to pivot away from the misleading “healthy at any size” narrative. Obesity is a real public health crisis"

I realize I’m replying to a block of what looks AI generated text but I guess I’m a sucker. Wasnt it very recently that Michelle Obama promoted healthy diets and was mocked and criticized for telling our kids what they could and couldn’t eat? And the right was making fun of cities for regulating soda sizes? What even is this “heathy at any size” narrative pushed by the left?

3/4/2025 9:45:26 PM

Democrats have been reduced to being tiktokers
it's really a virus of the mind

3/4/2025 10:13:32 PM

OK, Elon.

3/4/2025 10:44:30 PM

^^what does the tiktokers thing even mean? Repubs wanted to save tiktok more than dems

3/4/2025 10:56:03 PM

https://www.instagram.com/p/DGxteuQAMqa

I don't know, maybe my mind hasn't rotted enough it, but this doesn't seem like a very serious video to me. "Elon Musk has taken a chainsaw to the government" *show a clip of Elon musk with a chainsaw* "sh*t that ain't true"
constantly trying to emulate something, to be something, to catch a trend
it's unserious, intrinsically so, especially this format
and it feels like this format is an analogue to them in reality as well

Even with that Jeff Jackson guy. I don't think he's bad or anything, him trying to be transparent is alright, but those shorts feel so unserious.

Or maybe I'm just overanalyzing the reality that the Democrats are the losers right now, and that's just how it is for now. I don't have 30 years of experience sitting in congress watching these cycles take place so maybe I can't comprehend it

[Edited on March 4, 2025 at 11:01 PM. Reason : 1]

3/4/2025 11:00:36 PM

AOC is the only choice for what?

3/5/2025 3:11:21 PM

https://wapo.st/4kughun

Gift link. Newsome transparent as fuck

3/6/2025 9:52:39 PM

Newsome is the next Joe Biden. Might not excite everyone but is seen as the safe choice white people can agree on

3/7/2025 3:18:37 PM

Biden spent a lifetime in the Senate

Newsome has never left California. he’s an actors idea of what a politician should be

3/7/2025 4:52:17 PM

Maybe with the bonus of less senility.

3/7/2025 4:52:29 PM

A company polling an alleged 3rd term has Obama beating trump

NEW - Third term poll

?? Obama 49% (+7)
?? Trump 42%

Change research #B

3/10/2025 5:18:44 PM

what’s the point of posting that, man?

3/10/2025 5:32:47 PM

Reinforcing the trump’s support is paradoxical, voters act on lizard brain instincts as a whole

3/10/2025 8:26:37 PM

Buttigieg carving his own path

Quote :

"I care deeply about who Michigan will elect as Governor and send to the U.S. Senate next year, but I have decided against competing in either race. I wrote more here about my decision and how I view the work required of us all in this moment: https://substack.com/home/post/p-158991933 "

3/13/2025 11:27:16 AM

I just don't think a very large segment of the population would vote for him

He's my favorite candidate by far though

3/13/2025 11:39:24 AM

On his merits he’s clearly one of the best and also my favorite

I was shocked though at the level of anti-gay hate than the transphobia movement has stirred up that I think is his biggest headwind

3/13/2025 1:20:36 PM

There was a clip of the Iowa caucus from some lady (a dem!) who voted for him and got asked in the lobby something along the lines of "Do you think Pete being gay affects his ability to get elected" and she freaked out. She didn't know he was gay and wanted to go back in and change her vote

3/13/2025 4:17:44 PM

So he CAN win, but only if a lot of voters don't know he's gay.

3/13/2025 4:32:13 PM

Straight white male > Straight black male > Gay white male > woman

Electability index, probably

3/13/2025 4:54:05 PM

^^

3/13/2025 5:15:27 PM

^^trans man might be ahead of woman lol

3/13/2025 7:35:31 PM

Sorry guys, in 2028 I'll only be 19 so I can't run for president yet

3/15/2025 3:26:36 PM

According to your profile, you'd be 14.

So, which is it, Justin?!

If that IS your real name. . .

3/15/2025 4:08:07 PM

Quote :

"?? NEW - 2028 Primary ?? Harris 33% ?? Buttigieg 10% ?? Newsom 7% ?? AOC 7% ?? Walz 5% ?? Crockett 3% ?? Cuban 3% Echelon #B - 3/13"

Really surprised AOC is polling with newsome

We Crockett at a respectable 3%. My least favorite are Cuban, newsome, and Harris, but I generally really like the other candidates

3/16/2025 11:50:39 AM

I'd be all about Cuban.

AOC or the like? I'd prob just not vote. Or just go 100% self-serving nihilist and vote for whomever would either tax me the least or give me the most government goodies or take the most stock-market friendly policies, everything else be damned.

3/16/2025 12:28:29 PM

It's not surprising to me, AOC is getting some of the Sanders folks I'd assume..

I like AOC and Buttigieg but think both could be unelectable without just a huge anti Trump wave. Overall I think we need new blood, that's a terrible list.

3/16/2025 12:54:46 PM

Crockett and AOC are the new blood

We have walz and Pritzker too in the sense of national politics

3/16/2025 1:10:35 PM

AOC is almost definitely too far left for president. Also when was the last time a representative went straight to President? It's a biggish leap

3/16/2025 2:37:08 PM

at this point not only is vance going to be the next president but vance is easily going to be the next president.

democrats are, once again, overestimating how much time they have to rectify the infighting.

3/18/2025 8:02:12 AM

Any chance he'll show his real self and stop being such a shill once he's President?

3/18/2025 9:44:24 AM

What I believe the “real” Vance to be would be awesome.

But if you’ll abandon any principle at any time for convenience, it doesn’t matter what your real beliefs are.

3/18/2025 12:08:00 PM