So I’m about police reform. But it shouldn’t take people being killed in cold blood to ask for it. I was once detained for no reason other than walking down the street to meet a friend who was coming to pick me up. I was arrested as they said I was trespassing on Sunday drive. Threw me down handcuffed me and booked me. Glad they didn’t tase me. It was thrown out of court on my personal testimony, no lawyer. But they acted poorly that day. And the police need to understand a badge doesn’t give a right to lawlessness for them. I don’t want to be rid of police but only to make sure they are educated and do their job correctly without hurting people who are trying to do the right thing.

7/12/2020 4:51:23 AM

i mean i get it. You gotta think though - someone did something two nights ago. Guess what - there is be on look out for "black male, black short hair, 6 ft, 200 lbs". That fits the description of like 90% of the black people i know. So if your walking down the street, I guess your just person of interest.

7/12/2020 9:32:13 AM

This is true but not ok. And I’m white and it happened to me. Police need to be better educated and less aggressive to all people and only use the force necessary and use Dependent on the situation. Not the person.

[Edited on July 12, 2020 at 10:06 AM. Reason : .]

7/12/2020 10:03:45 AM

Lol you have a fucking boatload of posts on this site saying Kaepernick disrespected the flag and country and hates all Americans because he took a knee during a fucking song to literally protest police brutality and now you wanna make a ”Protest Police Brutality" thread?

Naw dude.

And fuck reform.

7/12/2020 12:33:26 PM

Walter vs Rem Lezar vs quiksilver

7/12/2020 1:09:16 PM

Synapse my butthole is closed but I understand you want to get up I’m in. Just not gonna happen.

7/12/2020 3:02:42 PM

Makes sense

I guess that's why you're........................wait for it.....,..........................................full of shit.

7/13/2020 1:36:55 PM

fuck reform. crime rates are only up 24% is NYC right now because people are stealing bread.

quaksilver needs to read a fucking book.

7/13/2020 3:04:30 PM

I fail to understand your point. Crime is up. That is true. Looting is being justified as result of police brutality. That is a fact. Areas that threw out the police ended up wondering why no one investigated homicides in same area. Police business needs more accountability and to be more specific and trained not removed in its entirety. Ok synapse, go ahead and eat my asshole and tell me why I’m wrong on any of these points, ya prick.

7/13/2020 3:13:00 PM

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" Looting is being justified as result of police brutality. That is a fact."

It is? By whom?

7/13/2020 3:23:41 PM

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"Crime is up."

Where? Compared to what and when?

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"Looting is being justified as result of police brutality."

By whom? Source?

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"Areas that threw out the police ended up wondering why no one investigated homicides in same area. "

Where? Examples?

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"Police business needs more accountability and to be more specific and trained not removed in its entirety."

What training do you think will remove the instinct for violence and incarceration shown by the majority of police?

7/13/2020 3:30:30 PM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/popculture.com/trending/amp/news/watch-sean-hannity-conducts-tearful-interview-horace-anderson/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/us-cities-increase-violent-crime-police-group/story%3fid=71411919

https://www.govcon.com/doc/excessive-force-unethical-police-behavior-una-0001

Bullet point says most people believe excessive force is not ok. George Floyd said he could not breathe shackle and handcuff but there was not a need for murder. If the cop were properly trained perhaps he would be less careless about murdering another human and throwing gas on this fire

As far as looting and burning I’m pretty sure I don’t need to post you references. A simple google search or just find the on button on your tv and you will find that it is happening.

I can find more but I tried to use multiple news sources without bringing in Hannity or Fox to bat down trolls. People need to act better and police need to not take a badge as a reason to beat down people at their will. That’s all I’m trying to say. Don’t rob and murder and don’t play Barney Fife.

[Edited on July 13, 2020 at 4:08 PM. Reason : .]

7/13/2020 4:01:31 PM

There is a reason Barney had to keep his bullet in his top pocket and not in his gun.

7/13/2020 4:11:29 PM

regardless of links i bet quikslaver is one of those punks suddenly energized by certain mayors (atlanta) criticizing the protestors now.

or the feds telling cities they arent getting any money to fix damage.

or BLM claiming they are going to train a military arm.

or any number of things that energize punks [like QS].

[Edited on July 13, 2020 at 4:18 PM. Reason : s]

7/13/2020 4:17:48 PM

"Please teach me, but also I'm not going to listen and I'm going to make you respond to endlessly debunked arguments from Fox News over and over again. Just trying to be open minded here."

7/13/2020 4:17:53 PM

^^^Sorry for pre judging the source and call me a troll but I'm not interested in any link that deals with Sean Hannity. Maybe that link answers 3 of my questions bc otherwise it seems like you only even attempted to answer one. The 2nd link implies that crime has a localized spike in a few cities, although I think guess my next question is what you thinks that shows and what actions it calls for?

That study from 20 years ago tells me nothing.

I didn't ask you to prove looting happens so not sure where that even came from.

[Edited on July 13, 2020 at 4:20 PM. Reason : E]

7/13/2020 4:20:05 PM

I posted no Fox News links. I say police need to be more educated. We need to stop senseless murders and am still trolled.

Dude are you serious that you don’t believe that looting had an uptick?

[Edited on July 13, 2020 at 4:23 PM. Reason : .]

7/13/2020 4:21:26 PM

Black people have put in more than a century of thought on how prisons and the police can be defunded and how that money can be spent to actually prevent crime. You've spent about 10 minutes pontificating on how black people are getting a little too uppity and how police just need to be "more educated", whatever the fuck that means.

[Edited on July 13, 2020 at 4:26 PM. Reason : .]

7/13/2020 4:25:33 PM

I think that we need reform on both sides. People need to be less racists. Police need to be less aggressive and quick to take a life. There is a middle ground. Yea I’m an an independent that usually votes rep. but I can see that people need to come together right now and just be human.

7/13/2020 4:27:24 PM

Clearly some people are taking advantage of protests to loot. It's also clear looters are a very small minority of protesters--so small that most protests occur without looting. Whatever their justifications, looters are condemned by protest organizers and do not represent mainstream thought within the protest movements.

So... Why are you fixated on looters? Why are you trying to both-sides police violence with "but looters!"?

7/13/2020 4:27:43 PM

^^
Have you spent any time listening to black people?

[Edited on July 13, 2020 at 4:28 PM. Reason : .]

7/13/2020 4:28:09 PM

Quote :

"If the cop were properly trained perhaps he would be less careless about murdering another human and throwing gas on this fire"

I don't think him sitting on his neckfor 9 minutes, after he's cuffed, had to do with not being "properly" trained. Any decent person would know that that is excessive

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"As far as looting and burning I’m pretty sure I don’t need to post you references."

No one denied that it's happening. You said looting is being justified, and stated "that's a fact". Justified by whom?

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"I posted no Fox News links. "

You posted a link to a Sean Hannity interview (i guess, I can't get it to open).

7/13/2020 4:35:10 PM

I’ll be honest. I haven’t spoken to any black people except at the store. I’ve been tapped at home due to this and I don’t have many black clients or friends. That’s why I try to understand here things I can’t understand by human contact. I was the only white boy on a drum line in an 85% black school. I’m not racist just trying my best to understand how others are feeling.

[Edited on July 13, 2020 at 4:44 PM. Reason : .]

7/13/2020 4:35:51 PM

Quote :

"I was the only white boy on a drum line in an 85% black school. I’m not racist "

everybody knew this was coming

7/13/2020 4:50:59 PM

^^
Cool, so in the other thread when EMCE patiently addressed your concerns, why did you refute him with your own perspective rather than try to better understand his?

[Edited on July 13, 2020 at 4:51 PM. Reason : .]

7/13/2020 4:51:08 PM

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"posted no Fox News links. "

Bullet already said, but you posted a sean Hannity interview. I have zero interest in anything he says, and close to zero in the responses of anyone he interviews.

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"Dude are you serious that you don’t believe that looting had an uptick?"

Where are you getting that people don't believe that? You seem like you're struggling to understand basic points across all these threads.

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"I was the only white boy on a drum line in an 85% black school "

You joined tww in 2001 but didn't go to nc state?

[Edited on July 13, 2020 at 5:17 PM. Reason : E]

7/13/2020 5:15:45 PM

Well ... I guess from time to time we have to ask others for their views. I actually appreciate EMCEs comments that you will likely see in many posts when I do thank him for offering me perspective and I truly think he’s a nice person. I don’t know what that has to do with anything else I’ve stated about police being more competent and protesters stop stealing just because. Sorry EMCE I didn’t drag you into this but you were brought up. If you do indeed hate me I would be willing to listen and talk it out. I want peace not hate.

I went to Ncsu in 2001 graduated in 05 I went to high school in a rural eastern nc county so most or my school was not white.

[Edited on July 13, 2020 at 5:34 PM. Reason : .]

7/13/2020 5:22:09 PM

I don't think you're up for this thread you started man. Your points jump all over the place and you seem to offer no justification for your views other than your own experiences. I'm not sure why you think your experiences alone could shed any kind of useful light on systemic racism in policing or the epidemic of brutality.


This twitter thread is hundreds of entries long. Take a look and tell me which instances would be overcome by more training.
https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1266751520055459847?s=19

[Edited on July 13, 2020 at 5:26 PM. Reason : E]

7/13/2020 5:25:28 PM

Quote :

" I don’t know what that has to do with anything else I’ve stated about police being more competent and protesters stop stealing just because"

It'd go a long way if you understand that the vast majority of protesters aren't stealing. That's a handful of trouble makers that are taking advantage. And I imagine that you might respond "well, it's only a handful of police officers using excessive force." But if it wasn't apparent before, it should be now that it's more than a handful. And a lot more that are complacent to it. And it's been happening since the beginning of police forces. And the police are hired, and paid, by citizens, to serve and protect citizens.

7/13/2020 5:38:53 PM

The interesting thing is that study he posted kinda backs into a key point: let's posit that most police are indeed against excessive force, the question that should immediately follow that statement is: what do you, as an officer, consider excessive force? In the years since that study was published, it's been made clear the police and public do not agree on that definition.

7/13/2020 5:45:26 PM

even if it were a majority of protestors - a higher percentage of rioting only indicates the level of unrest and should spur us to further question the system that got us here.

https://longreads.com/2015/06/01/looter-to-who-james-baldwin-on-racism-in-america/

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" Q. How would you define somebody who smashes in the window of a television store and takes what he wants? BALDWIN: Before I get to that, how would you define somebody who puts a cat where he is and takes all the money out of the ghetto where he makes it? Who is looting whom? Grabbing off the TV set? He doesn’t really want the TV set. He’s saying screw you. It’s just judgment, by the way, on the value of the TV set. He doesn’t want it. He wants to let you know he’s there. The question I’m trying to raise is a very serious question. The mass media-television and all the major news agencies-endlessly use that word “looter”. On television you always see black hands reaching in, you know. And so the American public concludes that these savages are trying to steal everything from us, And no one has seriously tried to get where the trouble is. After all, you’re accusing a captive population who has been robbed of everything of looting. I think it’s obscene."

7/13/2020 5:48:02 PM

I'm actually shocked TGL isn't in here telling QS to stay in the fascist club.

7/13/2020 6:39:12 PM

I’ll admit I wasn’t ready to start this thread. I more wanted to hear others to become more aware of the current society as it is perplexing to me and I want to hear others views.

7/14/2020 5:01:00 AM

If you're truly interested in learning more, I would highly recommend this book of essays. The e-book is free right now too.

https://www.haymarketbooks.org/books/952-who-do-you-serve-who-do-you-protect

Quote :

"What is the reality of policing in the United States? Do the police keep anyone safe and secure other than the very wealthy? How do recent police killings of young black people in the United States fit into the historical and global context of anti-blackness? This collection of reports and essays (the first collaboration between Truthout and Haymarket Books) explores police violence against black, brown, indigenous and other marginalized communities, miscarriages of justice, and failures of token accountability and reform measures. It also makes a compelling and provocative argument against calling the police. Contributions cover a broad range of issues including the killing by police of black men and women, police violence against Latino and indigenous communities, law enforcement's treatment of pregnant people and those with mental illness, and the impact of racist police violence on parenting, as well as specific stories such as a Detroit police conspiracy to slap murder convictions on young black men using police informant and the failure of Chicago's much-touted Independent Police Review Authority, the body supposedly responsible for investigating police misconduct. The title Who Do You Serve, Who Do You Protect? is no mere provocation: the book also explores alternatives for keeping communities safe."

7/14/2020 1:01:58 PM

he is not truly interested: http://brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=651657

7/14/2020 1:40:25 PM

Hi synapse I hope your dick is long enough to be able to fuck yourself to let out your unanswered anger at the world. I simply ask people to educate me on race relations and you come at me with hate and anger daily. I’m sorry I’m trying to understand the climate while avoiding white trolls like you.

And thank all of you who have given me information to read and try to understand others views and the situation without calling me stupid or a bigot for asking.

[Edited on July 14, 2020 at 4:50 PM. Reason : .]

7/14/2020 4:30:37 PM

[Edited on July 14, 2020 at 6:58 PM. Reason : Who called you a bigot tho?]

7/14/2020 6:44:58 PM

How many police has anyone seen call this excessive force

Quote :

"Investigation: Police partially blinded 8 people in one day at George Floyd protests. The Post found video evidence undermining official accounts. https://t.co/V914lIIMtU "

7/14/2020 9:06:51 PM

Another thread for qs

Quote :

"I was in Brooklyn on June 2 and watched as NYPD officers repeatedly struck a protester who was already on the ground. Then a commanding officer stepped on his neck. The NYPD says officers used restraint at the protests. Here's what 64 videos show: https://t.co/yEvl1vXCQo https://t.co/jddnLeytAE "

7/15/2020 1:16:02 PM

That’s terrible behavior. Justifies reform and firing the aggressors (cops). Requiring better training and screening of our “justice keepers” Does not justify another riot. I know I straddle the fence here. Getting rid of all police is bad in my eyes and bad police should be removed or better screened and good people should be better taught that wearing a badge doesn’t allow you to start disrespecting the laws they take an oath to protect. It’s a sad situation when we have to determine who is more corrupted the victims or the police sworn to protect them. I sincerely feel for both sides. Good cops have to deal with shit more often and people feel the need to be heard and get beaten by bad cops.

[Edited on July 16, 2020 at 11:55 AM. Reason : .]

7/16/2020 11:54:09 AM

blah blah blah nobody gives a fuck about your verbal diarrhea because you STILL say the following about Colin Kaepernick re:protesting police brutality

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"He shit on his fellow Americans (many of his fans) by standing up for silly shit"

and

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"Kap shows hatred of the United States and it’s [sic] people"

7/16/2020 12:51:50 PM

Troll

7/16/2020 12:57:17 PM

This is not trolling.

This is honesty.

7/16/2020 12:58:40 PM

Look man. I’ve made my thoughts clear on Kap. It’s not changing until I see anything new which I doubt. You nipping at my heels Like a rabid dog after every post I make will do nothing to help me change that. Again, clear you love him and I disagree that he has done a good thing for this nation. You can keep trolling me all you want but you are only digging the hole deeper following me around like a homeless person asking to hold a dollar. Here’s a lafta buck now crawl back in your troll hole and stop chasing me around like the only skirt you can get off new bern avenue.

[Edited on July 16, 2020 at 1:39 PM. Reason : .]

7/16/2020 1:38:24 PM

Hey all you have to do is stop pretending to give a fuck about police brutality.

7/16/2020 2:22:53 PM

So I should pretend I like police brutality even though I indeed hate what it is doing to us and our country. Nah, I have principals and I hate to see crime by others and especially those who’s have taken an oath to uphold it. So I won’t retract my statement that I’m against it.

In all reality I think it’s a huge issue that is discriminatory in some (or maybe) all places and I don’t like what I’m seeing in the division of our nation. And for the record I get a puckered asshole when I see a cop behind me and can’t pretend to understand how a minority feels in the same situation. But at least I try to listen.

[Edited on July 16, 2020 at 2:30 PM. Reason : .]

7/16/2020 2:25:48 PM

you might be listening, but you ain't hearing

7/16/2020 2:44:05 PM

Nothing but another troll post with no real merit. Troll

7/16/2020 2:53:15 PM

verbal diarrhea!

3/7/2023 12:44:54 PM

reform all humans!!

3/7/2023 1:34:43 PM