I've tried some of everything related to energy including digestive biome, and no matter what, i'm tried after 12 hours without a nap and all i can do is random shit on the internet (TWW) or tv. I wonder if this is normal but feel like I should be able to get 4 more hours of efficiency, work out or go out and socialize without being so tired. Maybe its just not being young anymore and I have to get used to the new normal.

Is anyone able to go 16-20 hours without feeling like you need to sleep and still be worth a damn?

3/16/2018 1:35:30 AM

If you are well off or if your insurance will cover for it, find a functional medicine practitioner in your area:

https://www.ifm.org/find-a-practitioner

Depends on which state you are in, but the initial consultation (which lasts an hour or more) costs at least $400, exclusive of any lab tests, and there will definitely be at least blood and stool tests, if not a microbiome test.

3/16/2018 1:47:22 AM

It's called getting old, assuming you're in the average age of this group here.

3/16/2018 7:18:44 AM

No, it doesn't have to be that way. Just as much as getting "life-style diseases" don't have to be a normal part of aging.

3/16/2018 7:27:58 AM

It's probably because of your sedentary lifestyle

3/16/2018 7:36:17 AM

Do you snore? You could possibly be interrupting your own sleep and never getting to the restful stage.

My CPAP changed everything and I have a ton more energy now than I did previously when I thought I was actually getting good sleep.

3/16/2018 8:17:52 AM

I'm always tired.

3/16/2018 9:14:52 AM

goddamn kids keep waking me up every 2 hours. always tired.

3/16/2018 9:33:23 AM

I use a sleep app to track my sleeping patterns, snoring, etc. after years of being hypertensive and not being able to fix it on my own...stats are pretty telling:
I usually go to bed around 3:30am but that's about to change due to a career shift...no more late nights for me, yay!

averages

sleep quality - 66%
time in bed - 6hr 37min
average sleep is 4.5 hrs/night
snore avg - 37min/might
best day for sleep - fri
worst days are mon and sat
out of 134 days I have spent 30.3 days in bed.

side notes, fog helps my sleep quality, every other type of weather makes it worse, as does a low pressure system, and the moon has been playing a big part, full moons = no sleep, solar activity also screws with me, most important stat, Raleigh has a 13% negative impact on sleep quality.

more details: I manage restaurants, mostly pizza huts the last few years, so primarily the schedule was thurs fri sat 8-8, mon tues 1p-1am. I eat once a day, drink a lot of soda, smoke cigarettes (10-15/day), I do not drink, but enjoy cannabis on occasion...I also start feeling 'done' around 16 hours, mostly due to a hernia surgery I had 7 years back, my core muscles never really recovered from double inguinal.





[Edited on March 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM. Reason : moar]

3/16/2018 9:48:35 AM

Need more details...specifically what time do you normally go to bed, wake up, what is your occupation, and your diet.

I start crashing around 15/16 hours...which I feel like is normal. I can still get by pretty well on very small amounts of sleep...but on a normal day, I can go to bed easily from 9-10 pm.

3/16/2018 9:52:11 AM

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". I eat once a day, drink a lot of soda, smoke cigarettes (10-15/day)"

Jesus dude. You're going to die.

3/16/2018 10:56:53 AM

^

3/16/2018 11:08:34 AM

WE. ARE. ALL. GOING. TO. DIE.

3/16/2018 11:15:02 AM

11

3/16/2018 11:21:44 AM

i've fucked my sleep schedule up so much with naps i'm a biphasic sleeper now

3/16/2018 12:50:08 PM

^You should probably get up and walk around

3/16/2018 1:24:26 PM

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"fog helps my sleep quality, every other type of weather makes it worse"

Do you sleep outdoors? If not, explain.

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"full moons = no sleep"

(explain)

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"solar activity also screws with me"

Explain.

You either sleep outdoors, or you are a pseudoscience-lover.

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"I eat once a day, drink a lot of soda, smoke cigarettes (10-15/day)"

Jesus dude, are you still 20? Get with the times (and your age) and cut all that shit out.



Just a PSA for everybody:

Even if there is a small amount of light in the room from any source, you don't get proper sleep and could potentially be shortening your lifespan or at the very least making yourself susceptible to certain conditions. (studies are there)

That's why I sleep with a face mask... have a ton of them from airplanes.

3/16/2018 1:25:33 PM

Usually don't get tired until 12-1am. But during the work week I have to force myself to go to bed at 11-1130pm, only possible with pharmaceutical assistance.

3/16/2018 1:38:36 PM

I use an app, it tells me all sorts of shit
here look



solar flares happened the other day, I'm apparently sensitive cause I had a normal day otherwise and couldn't sleep for shit

[Edited on March 16, 2018 at 1:44 PM. Reason : reasons]

3/16/2018 1:41:43 PM

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"That's why I sleep with a face mask used men's underwear on my face... have a ton of them from airplanes. my dorm days"

[Edited on March 16, 2018 at 1:51 PM. Reason : .]

3/16/2018 1:50:32 PM

@0EPII1
I have blackout curtains in the bedroom for that very reason, and don't look at a tv or phone for the last hour before bed now, and I use the iphone feature that takes blue light out of the spectrum for nighttime viewing.

3/16/2018 1:57:12 PM

^ Hmmm, then why does your sleep follow the moon phases? And why is at affected by weather outside?

Don't know man, you have opened a new frontier in sleep research! Send that to some sleep scientists and see if they know about that alleged phenomenon.

Or do a literature search and see if there are any published studies about moon phases and weather affecting indoors sleep in a dark room.

Bizarre

3/16/2018 2:02:31 PM

it's not bizarre if you think about it - the moon's gravitational pull effects the oceans, and our brains are electrochemical so things like solar flares putting out massive EM bursts that are bad enough to interfere with electronics certainly has the ability to affect your brain. in terms of fog, I think it deadens noise in the area so I sleep uninterrupted (I live downtown and on a main road with tons of new construction so it's loud all day every day, partially why I sleep on such an odd schedule now is because the site across the street are sticklers for getting all their hammering done between 7:30am-11:30am)...weather like low pressure systems make my hernia surgery site and bad knee ache, so that's pretty domestic, and lots of people can attest to that bit.

the app I use is iOS and called Sleep Cycle, it's decent for free but for $30 you get massive amounts of extra data, fitbit connectivity, the works...what I like most of all is it will wake you up within a range that you specify around the time you need to get up and bases it upon how heavily you are sleeping. it also records your snoring, so you can play it back



[Edited on March 16, 2018 at 2:59 PM. Reason : .]

3/16/2018 2:57:27 PM

I used to take a nap everyday after work even though I work from home. Getting a standing desk helped me a lot, I stand for 7+ hours and sit for less than 1. I feel pretty energetic at the end of the day and don't take naps any more as long as I've gotten 7 hours of sleep the night before. Taking a ginseng supplement has helped even more.

3/19/2018 3:23:59 PM

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"it's loud all day every day"

There is a piece of shit rat dog that barks his ass off right outside my bedroom window every weekend. I just started sleeping with earplugs in it helped a lot. If you haven't already tried them, give it a shot.

3/20/2018 8:53:04 AM

^Get one of those ultrasonic dog sirens that goes off whenever dogs bark. Put it outside and point it towards your neighbor with the annoying rat dog.

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"I have blackout curtains in the bedroom for that very reason, and don't look at a tv or phone for the last hour before bed now, and I use the iphone feature that takes blue light out of the spectrum for nighttime viewing."

I use that same sleep app. Also how do you use that iPHone blue light feature? Is there a way for it to automatically enable after a certain hour?

3/20/2018 11:47:27 AM

I have some app for my phone that does it automatically, but I don't have a shitty iPhone

3/20/2018 4:26:39 PM

TKE - the feature is built into iphone called night shift, if you hardpress the brightness slider you'll see the button, it is in settings under display and yes you can schedule it.

3/21/2018 9:59:42 AM

somewhere between my 4th and 5th fap

3/21/2018 2:33:29 PM

^^Thanks.

Last night it took me 3 hours to fall asleep. Lights out at 1130, fell asleep after 230. FML, once I can walk again I'm scheduling an appointment with the sleep specialist I saw 1 1/2 yrs ago.

3/22/2018 8:51:04 AM

[Bruce Banner voice] "That's my secret: I'm always tired."

3/22/2018 11:09:21 AM

Yeah I've been having a terrible time falling asleep the last couple weeks. It's 100% stress related though.

3/22/2018 11:15:55 AM

i listen to a book on tape when i'm stressed and can't sleep, it usually works pretty well.

3/22/2018 12:22:22 PM

I enjoy some alcoholic beverages in the evening

3/22/2018 12:28:21 PM

My alarm goes off at 5:45 AM every morning and I'm tired at 5:46 AM every morning.

3/23/2018 8:17:16 AM

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"Even if there is a small amount of light in the room from any source, you don't get proper sleep and could potentially be shortening your lifespan or at the very least making yourself susceptible to certain conditions. (studies are there) That's why I sleep with a face mask... have a ton of them from airplanes."

What about natural light from windows? Don't you need that in order for your body to figure out when to wake up?

3/23/2018 11:30:06 AM

i stay up way too late most nights and this includes work nights which is why i'm tried by 1pm daily. i tried to sleep at a decent hour but instead i stayed up feeling more tried. i even tried using nyquil to get tried but it just doesn't work!

3/24/2018 8:58:38 PM

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"My alarm goes off at 5:45 AM every morning and I'm tired at 5:46 AM every morning."

Yep, that's pretty much me (schedule varies, but that's my most common wakeup time).

i just cannot get down with the early riser schedule, but my entire adult life has been heavily tilted that way. i just don't get tired until 1-2 am.

Also, left to my own devices (vacations, periods I haven't worked, etc), it's like my body clock is a little longer than 24 hours--i end up staying just a little later, then a little later, then a little later, until pretty soon i'm up until 4am until something forces a hard reboot.

3/25/2018 1:28:52 AM

^It is longer than 24 hours.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circadian_rhythm#Humans

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"Early research into circadian rhythms suggested that most people preferred a day closer to 25 hours when isolated from external stimuli like daylight and timekeeping. However, this research was faulty because it failed to shield the participants from artificial light. Although subjects were shielded from time cues (like clocks) and daylight, the researchers were not aware of the phase-delaying effects of indoor electric lights.[70][dubious – discuss] The subjects were allowed to turn on light when they were awake and to turn it off when they wanted to sleep. Electric light in the evening delayed their circadian phase.[citation needed] A more stringent study conducted in 1999 by Harvard University estimated the natural human rhythm to be closer to 24 hours and 11 minutes: much closer to the solar day.[71]"

3/25/2018 9:28:00 AM

oh cool, well there you go. Interesting.

There's also this. I don't know how far you have to go for it to be diagnosed. My gut feeling is that I'm probably subclinical, but a little more that way than average.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-24-hour_sleep–wake_disorder

3/25/2018 11:16:17 AM

^ that's a good read.

3/25/2018 8:21:38 PM

I used to be a fucking night owl and stay up until 1-2 am easily during high school and college days. But most of my jobs have had relatively early start times (7:00-7:30 am) which pretty quickly turned me into a morning person. I wake up at 5:00 am every workday and often get tired after 9 pm. I sometimes will get to working on something and stay up until midnight, but that is out of the norm. I usually go to bed and just fall asleep with almost no effort.

3/25/2018 9:19:23 PM

I am literally always tired. I wake up at 4:30 in the morning. I have to stay up late and work on homework or be busy doing things on the weekend. I feel like I never get a good night's sleep. So I'm always tired. However, I guess at about noon is when my tiredness really picks up. Then by the time I get home at almost 5, I could go to sleep. The worst is when I finally am able to get in bed and fall asleep and I end up tossing and turning.

3/25/2018 10:01:11 PM

3/25/2018 10:47:37 PM

dude looks dead tired, probably wouldn't want to be disturbed.

3/26/2018 6:42:05 PM

I'm very rarely so tired that I feel I need to go off to bed, but I know I don't function well off of anything less than 7ish hours of sleep so I try to plan accordingly.

3/27/2018 7:35:01 AM