While reading a book with a gun on the cover

9/20/2016 10:42:38 PM

charlotte is not just about charlotte. people needed a reason to vent over tulsa and colombus annndd....everything else

9/20/2016 11:03:15 PM

cops are well known to hate readers

9/20/2016 11:04:30 PM

why do the police have to respond to protests? when there are a bunch of people angry at police and in the streets sending a bunch of police to clash with them is the worst idea. just goes to show how little police departments understand about deescalating situations.

"hey these people are mad at us for being brutal, lets show up with tanks, teargas, and riot gear so they will go home"

9/20/2016 11:05:39 PM

What was the book?

9/20/2016 11:05:51 PM

Gunzz magazine. Disabled. Waiting on his kid.

9/20/2016 11:20:10 PM

having had to deal with several cycles of violent protests in Oakland because of crap like this, all I can say is that having to deal with them is going to suck. GL, Charlotte.

9/20/2016 11:35:57 PM

[Edited on September 21, 2016 at 1:06 AM. Reason : ]

9/21/2016 1:05:50 AM

where is cam newton

[Edited on September 21, 2016 at 1:12 AM. Reason : crying jordan]

9/21/2016 1:12:26 AM

When the local news coverage of this ended last night, the cops were just then corralling the protesters and leading them onto a bridge over i-85 (WTF are you thinking there?!). And then I wake up this morning to find out that they had to shut down part of I85 and that there was looting of trucks?

This whole thing has been handled very poorly by police so far.

9/21/2016 7:07:11 AM

cops sayin he did have a gun.

9/21/2016 7:29:22 AM

At this point I take whatever the cops report with a grain of salt.

Also - having a gun is not grounds for execution.

9/21/2016 7:34:03 AM

plenty more details need to emerge...because, obviously even if he did have a gun there's definitely nothing illegal about that.

9/21/2016 7:58:37 AM

has elusis posted the guys criminal record yet?

9/21/2016 9:01:15 AM

Just watched the press conference with Charlotte chief of police, apparently a gun was recovered, but said no book was recovered

9/21/2016 9:55:53 AM

Black cop this time. Only thing The Charlotte Observer could dig up on the guy was a DUI he got in Gaston Co. Otherwise the guy looks pretty clean.

Obviously a tragic case of mistaken intent. This will look bad though - how is it possible that some guy just sitting there waiting on his kid at the bus stop could get to the point to where he would try to shoot a cop. It doesn't add up.

Also, does anybody know this neighborhood? Is it so bad that children need armed escorts from the bus stop?

9/21/2016 11:08:25 AM

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"Protesters also damaged police cars in outrage at the killing."

Welp, there goes a few thousand tax dollars... Only hurting yourself doing stupid shit like that.

And before you're all like:

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"If you're angrier over a cruiser being destroyed than the murder of an innocent man then you are part of the problem."

Destroying a cruiser accomplishes nothing productive. Taxpayer dollars will be spent on replacing/fixing damage property. Find better ways to protest peacefully and get your point across. Destroying your hometown out of rage is stupid, regardless of the issue.

[Edited on September 21, 2016 at 11:21 AM. Reason : .]

9/21/2016 11:16:35 AM

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"Also, does anybody know this neighborhood? Is it so bad that children need armed escorts from the bus stop?"

I'd call it middle class

Actually just looked, not familiar with that specific property. It's townhomes near UNCC so I'd guess middle class working people and some students

[Edited on September 21, 2016 at 11:21 AM. Reason : .]

9/21/2016 11:19:33 AM

Don't twist my words, I'm not saying he shouldn't have had a gun, and it is somehow his fault, I was just curious if this was in a bad part of town.

9/21/2016 11:20:25 AM

^^^ if you sue the police for wrongful death and win where do you think that money comes from?

[Edited on September 21, 2016 at 11:21 AM. Reason : ^^^]

9/21/2016 11:21:09 AM

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"Black cop this time"

Phew

9/21/2016 11:21:50 AM

it's the militarization of police that is disproportionately affecting POC and not the individual, necessarily. It is the system that causes these murders.

9/21/2016 11:24:35 AM

^^^Taxpayers I'm not saying the system works flawlessly, but the collateral damage is unnecessary. Just an excuse for weak, insecure people to lose their civility and blame it on society.

The individual should somehow be responsible if found guilty. But then we would have a conflict of interest where police officers would be too afraid to engage in certain conflicts for fear of the consequences. But then again, not everyone who wears the uniform deserves or should be in the uniform. I could go back and forth on this and I don't have a pragmatic solution to the dilemma. I have ideas, but I think it would take a real conversation with worthy officers to know what its like for them and how we can mitigate this. I think it's mostly a recruiting/training issue...

[Edited on September 21, 2016 at 11:28 AM. Reason : ^^^]

9/21/2016 11:27:56 AM

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"The individual should somehow be responsible if found guilty. But then we would have a conflict of interest where police officers would be too afraid to engage in certain conflicts for fear of the consequences. But then again, not everyone who wears the uniform deserves or should be in the uniform. I could go back and forth on this and I don't have a pragmatic solution to the dilemma. I have ideas, but I think it would take a real conversation with worthy officers to know what its like for them and how we can mitigate this. I think it's mostly a recruiting/training issue..."

This whole paragraph is a cop-out. If an officer breaks the law or violates policy that results in injuries to a citizen, they need to be held accountable. Fuck any notion of a "conflict of interest." What they won't shoot at a fleeing person or car now? Good. This isn't a recruiting issue, or even a training issue. It's an accountability issue.

[Edited on September 21, 2016 at 12:01 PM. Reason : (swidt?)]

9/21/2016 11:47:25 AM

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" But then we would have a conflict of interest where police officers would be too afraid to engage in certain conflicts for fear of the consequences."

in theory, sure. but man...cops have been under more scrutiny the last couple of years than they have in a long, long time...and a new video of a cop killing some dude comes out like every month.

9/21/2016 12:03:49 PM

Scrutiny is good. These are the people society entrusts with the power to use up to lethal force to enforce it's laws.

9/21/2016 12:56:55 PM

you know what we need??? that show COPS to come back out. the cops on that show always de-escalated and detained people. that's how it's done.

[Edited on September 21, 2016 at 1:05 PM. Reason : ]

9/21/2016 1:04:37 PM

Bc there was a camera on them

9/21/2016 1:14:37 PM

Oh yeah, the officer wasn't wearing a body camera in this incident

9/21/2016 1:16:17 PM

No, not because there was a camera, because I seriously doubt that a body-cam is going to elicit any change in behavior. No, a camera for a TV show is what did it.

9/21/2016 1:17:14 PM

Plus COPS was the best reality show of all time.

OF ALL TIME.

9/21/2016 1:18:47 PM

GNSP

9/21/2016 1:27:40 PM

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"you know what we need??? that show COPS to come back out."

It never went away. They're still putting out new episodes.

9/21/2016 1:43:53 PM

COPS was cancelled a few years ago (EDIT: nevermind, I guess spike bought it afterwards)


COPS is a bad show and should be taken off the air

[Edited on September 21, 2016 at 1:51 PM. Reason : .]

9/21/2016 1:50:35 PM

COPS is still on Spike TV, new episodes air Sat 8PM. Should be hitting their 300th episode later this season or early next.

9/21/2016 1:58:19 PM

the worst show

9/21/2016 1:58:49 PM

Scrutiny is good, and I'm all for accountability. But how? I can't remember or find the article/video, but I recall one a few years ago when a young officer pulled someone over. The occupant had a firearm and pulled it on the officer. The officer hesitated to pull his own firearm. By the time he did, he had already been shot several times, left on the side of the road to die. This was apparently days after his department was criticized and was under investigations for pulling weapons carelessly or being too aggressive. Do we just ignore this? Criminals don't abide by laws. So how do we combat this? How do we enforce accountability? How do we disband the "us vs them" culture?

9/21/2016 2:03:16 PM

Oh, I didn't realize that it was still on. My black ass can't afford cable these days (refer to income disparity by race chart).

^It depends. Do you want to arm our police officers with fear based on anecdote or do you want to go on statistics?

[Edited on September 21, 2016 at 2:05 PM. Reason : ]

9/21/2016 2:03:52 PM

So I see the shot while reading a "book" narrative has predictably been abandoned already. Not that any of the facts really matter to those people besides a cop shot another black guy.

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"It depends. Do you want to arm our police officers with fear based on anecdote or do you want to go on statistics"

Cops already go with very reasonable fears based on statistics. There is nothing anecdotal about being on edge around someone resisting arrest, black or white.

These statistics are just ignored by the left entirely. Fortunately the biggest factor that correlates with a cop's fear and a suspect's likelihood to get shot isn't skin color, it's the choice to comply or resist.

9/21/2016 3:33:53 PM

9/21/2016 3:36:23 PM

JCE which statistics are their fears based on again? srs question.

9/21/2016 3:44:37 PM

oh jesus christ

seriously?

9/21/2016 3:47:27 PM

So unless there is some smart phone footage that's yet to be posted this is going to be a 'he said she said' situation. Thanks to our GOP legislature body cam footage is not available as public record, but I'm sure it'll be 'leaked' if the police narrative is the correct one.

9/21/2016 3:54:57 PM

that law isn't even in effect yet

and in all fairness to the GOP, most of the democrats also voted for it. in fact more republicans voted against the bill than democrats

[Edited on September 21, 2016 at 4:10 PM. Reason : .]

9/21/2016 4:05:22 PM

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"So how do we combat this? How do we enforce accountability? How do we disband the "us vs them" culture?"

private policing

https://mises.org/blog/private-policing-isnt-fantasy

9/21/2016 5:00:01 PM

I hope the police release the video they have, because I don't really believe anything they're saying. The police have lied in pretty much every other shooting incident that became national news.

9/21/2016 5:03:10 PM

^

And the other side hasn't? "Hands up, don't shoot"

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"JCE which statistics are their fears based on again? srs question. "

If the overwhelming majority of dangerous people cops deal with are x,y and z, and a person matches those criteria, clearly they will be more on edge than if they are pulling over some who is a, b, and c. It's not fair 100% of the time but it is reality. It's easy for a keyboard SJW to critique in hindsight when we only hear the most outrageous version of what happened from the media.

[Edited on September 21, 2016 at 5:13 PM. Reason : .]

9/21/2016 5:12:43 PM

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"private policing https://mises.org/blog/private-policing-isnt-fantasy"

^^ equating security guards with the police is pretty laughable.

[Edited on September 21, 2016 at 5:15 PM. Reason : hopefully the same companies behind our prison industrial complex can provide our future corporate police force. Vertical Integration FTW!]

9/21/2016 5:13:55 PM

Holy shit, private police is the worst possible thing we could do

That's the dumbest thing I've read today, congrats

9/21/2016 5:33:53 PM

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"hopefully the same companies behind our prison industrial complex can provide our future corporate police force"

it's not private if the government is paying the companies. there's a difference between private policing and government contractors policing.

i support the recent decision to end "private" prisons. i'm talking about a different model.

[Edited on September 21, 2016 at 5:44 PM. Reason : dfs]

9/21/2016 5:40:32 PM