http://wncn.com/2016/08/07/1-killed-in-raleigh-shooting-sunday-morning/

The 911 calls leading up to and after this incident are. The guy was going on and on to 911 about how he was on the community watch and he was going to defend his community. He ended up shooting and killing a 20 year old.

8/7/2016 10:14:48 PM

The South will rise again.

8/7/2016 10:18:41 PM

He must have terrible aim if he killed somebody with a warning shot.

But yeah, this guy deserves to go to prison.

8/7/2016 10:30:56 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttLJNOOsPiY

[Edited on August 7, 2016 at 10:38 PM. Reason : ok nm, it was like 1am]

8/7/2016 10:36:17 PM

lol at firing a "warning shot" with a shotgun

8/7/2016 10:59:25 PM

warning shots are supposed to go straight up if on land.
and holy crap "I'll fire over his shoulder with a six foot spread at ten feet"
Doesn't sound like either of them had their thinking caps on

8/7/2016 11:05:36 PM

I'm pretty sure warning shots are something you're never supposed to do

8/7/2016 11:08:34 PM

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"six foot spread at ten feet"

[Edited on August 7, 2016 at 11:09 PM. Reason : no such thing as a warning shot in my world]

8/7/2016 11:08:58 PM

no. Warning shots are things denied police officers by their respective departments because people don't know wha the fuck fuck a physics is.
a lot of lives could be saved if we brought the warning shot back.
Then again, not approaching a known unarmed suspect with a drawn, cocked and unlocked .45 would save even more.
But hey what do i know.

[Edited on August 7, 2016 at 11:12 PM. Reason : ^I believe you may have missed the hyperbole]

8/7/2016 11:11:43 PM

What posessed the homeowner to go outside after he called 911. That sounds like a good way to get shot.

8/7/2016 11:51:08 PM

Oh my! A white person killed a black person in self defense? Page the liberal press, NAACP, Black Lives Matter, Fox News, and anyone else who wants to get involved.

[Edited on August 7, 2016 at 11:55 PM. Reason : .]

8/7/2016 11:55:11 PM

it sorta comes down to a binary philosophy: Wait for someone to protect you, or protect yourself.

I say "Sorta" because there's always that 10% just aching to kill somebody and have it dismissed as justifiable.

The 10% folks are exploitative criminals.

Then there's the strawman who's had enough and actually acts on his neighbors' behalf.

That's what the "legal killers" take advantage of because it's hard to define. Almost impossible.

The sad thing is that if we had more of these bloodthirsty lunatics, the populace would be safer.

No it ain't right.

It's like arguing that "if we didn't prosecute pedophiles so hard, they wouldn't kill their vicims" thus saving lives...
I think a standup comedian came up with that one. where do you go with argument? It's useless information.

8/8/2016 12:01:39 AM

8/8/2016 12:05:26 AM

THUG DESERVED THE DEATH PENALTY AND HE GOT IT!!!!!!!!!

8/8/2016 12:16:54 AM

I conceal these good every day and I've never been arrested

8/8/2016 12:37:57 AM

Shooter was probably a Donald Trump voter.

8/8/2016 12:44:07 AM

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" A white person killed a black person in self defense"

I don't think you know what self defense means.

8/8/2016 9:49:26 AM

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"Stand Your Ground Incident "

Oh yah?

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"I fired my warning shot like I am supposed to by law"

Hmm I wonder which law he's citing here

8/8/2016 9:55:51 AM

has JCE2011 posted since this guy got arrested?

8/8/2016 10:08:13 AM

^guy should have joined group they sell on talk radio about how to get away with shooting people at your home

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/RadioOffers/FreeGunGuide/index-6things.html?id=Radio&sid=Organic


[Edited on August 8, 2016 at 10:22 AM. Reason : [/jce]]

8/8/2016 10:17:54 AM

So were the people in his yard allegedly with weapons or were they in the street? And the shooter was not the same person that called in saying they were going to "secure the neighborhood". That was another neighbor.

I could see feeling threatened if there were a group of armed people in my front yard coming towards me in my garage at 1 AM. But... there is no indication yet as to what directly led to the shooting. The "I fired a warning shot" line makes it sound like they could have just been standing in the street and the idiot shot in their general direction.

8/8/2016 10:44:27 AM

Sounds like the 911 call is going to doom this guy's SYG defense.

8/8/2016 10:50:39 AM

the only way you can defend this as a warning shot would be if he intentionally shot one armed member of the group in order to warn the rest what would happen if they kept advancing. Otherwise, why would you be firing a gun if you didn't feel in enough danger for your own life to actually be aiming at someone?

It will be interesting to see what these kids were doing outside - if they actually lived near there and were just annoying the neighbors, or if they were there for something else and the two knew each other.

8/8/2016 11:33:35 AM

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"And the shooter was not the same person that called in saying they were going to "secure the neighborhood". That was another neighbor."

How do we know that? Sounds like the same voice to me

Another caller says he has a police report about a "possible hate crime" against a resident of the house the shooting happened at? - http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/crime/article94248182.html

8/8/2016 5:10:23 PM

^from those pictures, did he shoot out of his garage with the door closed?

8/8/2016 5:48:23 PM

The neighbor that was throwing the party is saying it was a hate crime. They are talking about it on the 5 o clock news.

8/8/2016 5:59:08 PM

The neighbor that was throwing the party is saying it was a hate crime. They are talking about it on the 5 o clock news.

8/8/2016 5:59:08 PM

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"I don't think you know what self defense means."

I do know what it is.

8/8/2016 6:05:43 PM

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"How do we know that? Sounds like the same voice to me"

I was basing that off of this from the article in the OP:

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"About 7 minutes before that call about the shooting, another caller who claimed he was with the neighborhood watch complained about people on Singleleaf, requested police and said he was going to “secure the neighborhood.”"

I could be wrong though

8/8/2016 6:19:05 PM

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"I do know what it is."

So then you know this wasn't self defense.

8/8/2016 6:57:21 PM

Sounds like Caller 1, 3 may the same person. (presumed shooter)

Sounds like Caller (no name) 2 was part of the group outside of the house along with the victim

Sounds like Caller 3(presumed shooter) was the wife/so of the person who fired the shot and hit the person.

Sounds like Caller 4 (refuses to give name or police blanked) sounds like part of the group outside the house/victim group

I don't know any provision for a warning shot. From my limited knowledge, if your using deadly force you have to be in fear of your life.

My guess, plead down to voluntary manslaughter, possibly murder 2 depending on the evidence presented.

I.E. if property was being destroyed, his SO and her children were in the house, they were continuing to make advances, he felt that they were going to enter the house. I'm sure the distance from the house where the victim was shot will play a part (if he was in the street vs the driveway/yard)

I would think the first call would really hurt this defense, but you don't know what he did, or how the events played out after that call. He could have walked outside and immediately been confronted, or he could have walked outside and immediately made a threat.

I don't think the Assault with a Deadly weapon: Serious injury conviction is going to help the victim however. Even without knowing the charge, a reasonable persons view of them as a threat would have more credence.



[Edited on August 8, 2016 at 7:27 PM. Reason : awdw]

8/8/2016 7:20:30 PM

on those 911 calls it sounds like a male operator but they keep calling him "ma'am"

8/8/2016 7:39:18 PM

Sounds like all the audio was shifted deeper, could probably undo it

8/8/2016 8:11:43 PM

^of course. durr

8/8/2016 8:32:49 PM

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"I would think the first call would really hurt this defense"

The second call didn't help either, when he described seeing guns but not any mention of them being pointed at him, also the warning shot language is no good. He never described his life being in jeopardy.

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"He could have walked outside and immediately been confronted..."

Leaving the safety of his house to confront them, would be strike one. "locked and loaded" "secure my neighborhood"

[Edited on August 8, 2016 at 8:43 PM. Reason : ^ then why mention it?]

8/8/2016 8:42:56 PM

yeah, dude. rule #1 is don't go looking for a fight. fuck this guy.

8/8/2016 8:45:42 PM

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"I do know what it is."

Nice comeback.

8/8/2016 8:49:58 PM

Zimmerman left the safety of his vehicle and he still got away with it, but yeah the distinction here is this guy was looking for a fight.

8/8/2016 8:50:59 PM

The whole thing apparently stemmed from a huge house party across the street.

8/8/2016 8:51:27 PM

^ Where did you read that?

8/8/2016 8:52:50 PM

OK, so let me get this straight, this dude shot a kid that was outside while he was standing on the inside of the house?

8/8/2016 9:00:43 PM

Yep. Self defense tho.

8/8/2016 9:13:46 PM

Sounds legit.

8/8/2016 9:18:16 PM

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"So then you know this wasn't self defense."

Well the shooter said the other guys in front of his house had guns. It doesn't matter what it was, he will still probably claim self defense in court. Like I said, paging BLM, Fox News, MSNBC, and the NAACP. If the courts let him off Raleigh will get on the news when there is a riot.

8/8/2016 10:18:17 PM

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"he will still probably claim self defense in court"

8/8/2016 10:48:35 PM

dammit who let wdprice have guns in the house?

[Edited on August 8, 2016 at 10:55 PM. Reason : this is what happens]

8/8/2016 10:55:16 PM

And when there isn't rioting, STFU

8/8/2016 11:09:51 PM

Not sure why anyone thinks there would be riots over this, as if The Blacks operate with some sort of hive mind. In the recent past, we saw riots in Ferguson and Baltimore when police officers, who were parts of departments known for racist policing, killed unarmed people under nebulous circumstances; and the perception was that nothing would be done about it.


This seems to be a case where the shooter was arrested and charged almost immediately, and will go to court.

8/9/2016 8:37:04 AM

^nicely said

8/9/2016 8:53:09 AM

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"Str8BacardiL farm bureau sux 40567 Posts user info edit post The whole thing apparently stemmed from a huge house party across the street. 8/8/2016 8:51:27 PM synapse hey bigman go walk 50526 Posts user info edit post ^ Where did you read that?"

i read that on reddit

8/9/2016 8:54:46 AM