I bet he was secretly gay himself

I think his dad put him up to this too






How does a single person shoot so many people without being stopped. Supposedly an armed guard engaged him but wasn't able to stop him. Pretty nuts.

[Edited on June 12, 2016 at 4:42 PM. Reason : ]

6/12/2016 4:35:52 PM

Yah dad is kinda sketchy. Hours after the shooting "THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION" nothing to see here move along plz.

Quote :

"Mateen was born in New York. His father, Seddique Mateen, who has also been called Mir Seddique, once tried to run for the Afghan presidency and was heavily involved in politics, according to his Facbeook page, which includes photos inside a U.S. State Department office. He has also spoken out against the Pakistani government, and supported the Taliban. “Our brothers in Waziristan, our warrior brothers in Taliban movement and national Afghan Taliban are rising up,” he said in one YouTube video, according to the Washington Post. “Inshallah the Durand Line issue will be solved soon.”"

Quote :

"Omar Mateen called 911 just before the shooting and pledged allegiance to ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, NBC News reports. He also mentioned the Tsarnaev brothers, who carried out the Boston Marathon bombing, during the call, CBS News reports. ISIS issued a statement calling Mateen an “Islamic state fighter.”"

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"But The Daily Beast, citing a senior law enforcement source, said Mateen was a person of interest in law enforcement investigations in 2013 and 2014. The news website reports the FBI opened an investigation into Mateen at some point, but closed it “when it produced nothing that appeared to warrant further investigation.”"

Quote :

"The shooting happened during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, a time during ISIS has instructed its supporters to carry out terror attacks around the world, according to CNN. A speech on May 21 by ISIS spokesman Abu Muhammad al Adnani, “That They Live By Proof,” called for attacks in the West. You can read the speech here and listen here."

6/12/2016 4:37:24 PM

From shooters ex wife:

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"The ex-wife said she met Omar Mateen online about eight years ago and decided to move to Florida and marry him. At first, the marriage was normal, she said, but then he became abusive. He seemed like a normal human being,” she said, adding that when they were married he wasn’t very religious and often worked out at the gym. She said in the few months they were married he gave no signs of having fallen under the sway of radical Islam. She said he owned a small-caliber handgun. “He was not a stable person,” said the ex-wife, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because she feared for her safety in the wake of the mass shooting. “He beat me. He would just come home and start beating me up because the laundry wasn’t finished or something like that.” "

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/ex-wife-of-suspected-orlando-shooter-he-beat-me/2016/06/12/8a1963b4-30b8-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html

[Edited on June 12, 2016 at 4:40 PM. Reason : ...]

6/12/2016 4:39:30 PM

Technically its the "Best mass shooting in American history, to date"

[Edited on June 12, 2016 at 4:39 PM. Reason : ]

6/12/2016 4:39:37 PM

Fucking awful

6/12/2016 4:40:42 PM

[Edited on June 12, 2016 at 4:46 PM. Reason : lol]

6/12/2016 4:44:38 PM

I don't think this is the worst mass shooting in US history, unless we're going to ignore the many native american massacres that occurred.

6/12/2016 4:54:48 PM

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"He would just come home and start beating me up because the laundry wasn’t finished or something like that"

Isn't this kind of behavior considered normal in most Muslim countries?

6/12/2016 5:08:47 PM

no its not you fucking bigot

6/12/2016 5:10:21 PM

you probably think female genital mutilation isn't rooted in Islam too, don't you?

6/12/2016 5:31:39 PM

Religion of peace

6/12/2016 5:37:52 PM

well thats another incorrect but at least somewhat correlational claim. FGM has no basis in islamic law and is a tradition that predates islam in most of the muslim places where it is common today.


http://www.unicef.org/egypt/media_3875.html
-egyptian courts, as one example have ruled that it has nothing to do with islam

When you start relating barbarism with a specific religion, you become a bigot.

6/12/2016 5:39:36 PM

how does one person shoot so many people without being stopped? 50 killed? that's crazy.

so he was under the FBI's radar and had been investigated in the past, but was still able to buy guns? fix the damn gun laws, murrca.

this is terrible

6/12/2016 6:23:02 PM

He was a mercenary. Trained killing machine. Doubt too many Rambos would be able to stop him.

[Edited on June 12, 2016 at 6:58 PM. Reason : Maybe that's an overstatement. He could be low level for them but it's a massive private security co]

6/12/2016 6:57:05 PM

is that sarcasm?
most G4S are people wearing an oversized ill-fitting suit who sit at a desk and play solitaire. One of the G4S guards at my office literally has a giant marijuana leaf emblem hot glued to the hood of his car. G4S does also do more high-risk stuff, but that's not the majority of what they do.

6/12/2016 7:01:30 PM

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"so he was under the FBI's radar and had been investigated in the past, but was still able to buy guns? fix the damn gun laws, murrca."

this guy threatened his coworker and that caught the FBI's attention.

so you're proposing anyone who makes a threat or otherwise catches the FBIs attention should never be able to buy a weapon? i'm as pro [more] gun control as the next guy, and probably more, but that's dumb. just like prohibiting no-fly list members from buying weapons is. the standard to meet isn't high enough.

6/12/2016 7:18:14 PM

^^ I said that remembering they did the London Olympics security but then edited it after I looked into it

6/12/2016 7:31:41 PM

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"About 320 people were inside the Pulse nightclub when the gunman entered the club and started shooting, just before last call around 2 a.m. Witnesses reported hearing as many as 40 shots as they tried to rush to safety, with some crawling away on the floor across broken glasses and bottles, and others hiding in a restroom. An off-duty police officer working security at the club initially engaged in a gun battle with the shooter but was apparently unable to stop him. "

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/06/orlando-nightclub-shooting-leaves-20-dead.html

I can't find a great timeline of what happened but according to this he killed 1 out of 6 people in the club overall, and an off duty cop working security couldn't take him out.

6/12/2016 7:34:22 PM

Isn't gun control an inevitability tho?

6/12/2016 9:46:41 PM

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"When you start relating barbarism with a specific religion, you become a bigot"

What does ISIS stand for again?

6/12/2016 9:48:01 PM

What religion does the Lord in Lord's Resistance Army represent?

Islamic extremism is terrible but the situation with Islam itself is far more nuanced than you are capable of understanding..

6/12/2016 9:51:26 PM

This thread reads like my fucking Facebook feed. C'mon t-dub...I expect better from you.

6/12/2016 10:03:16 PM

You take a gang member off the street, put a gun in his hand, and tell him to shoot up a bunch of people, I bet he empties his clip and makes maybe 2 count. Fear.

You take a religious zealot, who in his mind is currently earning his golden pass to Heaven, put a gun in his hand and tell him that no matter what happens, he'll soon meet Allah, he can make much more use of the rounds. No fear. Also, it doesn't hurt that he had some kind of training. But I think it is mostly the fact that no matter how he comes out of this, he'll eventually go to Heaven no matter what.

How do you combat someone, or a group of someones, who are not afraid to die?

God I'm not looking forward to this week now. I'm going to have to listen to Trump rile up his base with Muslim hate and I'm going to have to listen to Hillary rile up her base with gun hate. I'm afraid this is going to play right into Trump's hands.

6/12/2016 10:14:37 PM

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"Islamic extremism is terrible but the situation with Islam itself is far more nuanced than you are capable of understanding"

Ah yes, such sophisticated nuances are above my understanding, thank you for the lecture.

Perhaps one day I will peruse enough liberal media to believe that "Islamaphobia" is a larger threat than Islamic Terrorism.

Sure, 50 people were murdered by Isis, but we should condescendingly lecture people that a rock was thrown through a Mosque window. Good thing that neighbor next to the San Berndino terrorists understood the "nuances" of Islamaphobia, so he decided to not call about suspicious pipebombs for fear of being "Islamaphobic".

6/12/2016 10:19:09 PM

Dude, what's your answer? Ban all Muslims?

If you were to take percentages of Islamic Terrorists that have committed acts of terror vs the other 2.2 billion Muslims in the world, you would find an extremely small amount of Muslims that are dangerous. I work with several wonderful people who happen to practice Islam. I feel bad for them right now because those bastards can't eat or drink from sun-up to sun-down, and that's a shitty situation if you ask me.

Back on point. You can't sit here and yell at the other 2.2 billion Muslims because a couple hundred thousand, - if even anywhere close to that, are out there blowing themselves and others up. And you obviously can't ban all Muslims from the country. And you can't ban them from having guns. This guy was an American citizen FFS.

Now I'm as conservative as the next guy, but this shit is going to go too far. I think that maybe it's natural for a lot of people to fear something they don't understand, and lots of people don't understand Islam (I'll admit I'm one of them). But to sit here and imply Islamaphobia is a good thing is retarded.

6/12/2016 10:27:22 PM

[Edited on June 12, 2016 at 10:39 PM. Reason : ]

6/12/2016 10:38:40 PM

It's a good think you edited that because you have to admit it was pretty dumb, somehow trying to link Republicans to Islam/Islamic Extremists for their views on homosexuality. All I have to say is that not all Republicans hate gay people, and not all Muslims hate gay people.

To try to link all of this together through homophobia...that is low even for you man.

6/12/2016 10:42:40 PM

Homophobia is the link between what could have happened in LA and what happened in Orlando, and what happens in legislators, churches, "pray the gay" away camps, etc around the country.

You (Royal you) can't bring up the Islam aspect of this without pointing out this type of hate is endemic to religion. Blood is on the hands of conservative Islam that preaches hate of gays, just like blood is on the hands of right-wing Christians that preach homophobia that causes people to commit suicide, disown their families, and pass laws restricting rights to gays, or fund groups that go to Africa to get laws making homosexuality illegal and punishable by death.

I edited the comment because you were having a good discussion with JCE and didn't want to interfere.

6/12/2016 11:02:19 PM

http://fusion.net/story/313038/orlando-shooting-victims-names-pulse-massacre/

Profile of few of the victims.

6/13/2016 12:33:32 AM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/12/drag-queen-orlando-gunman-omar-mateen-was-my-friend.html

Supposedly he was friends with a drag queen.

6/13/2016 12:56:29 AM

Am I the only one that becomes more desensitized to shooting sprees and other bad things as I get older? Seems like people on the Internet continue to get more and more shocked and outraged about the world, as if it's the first time they've heard of violence. This comment isn't specific to this attack. It just seems like the human mind will reluctantly gain an acceptance of "bad shit happening" and balance emotions out accordingly.

6/13/2016 1:08:48 AM

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" To try to link all of this together through homophobia...that is low even for you man"

Yeah there's definitely no homophobia going on here. Hot fucking take right there.

6/13/2016 1:14:40 AM

If you have ever talked shit about Christians in a general way or insulted Christianity or whatever, then I have no idea why would you contort yourself to doublespeak on Islam and Muslims.

Islam is obviously the crappiest of the three Semitic faiths right now.

And, in my experience, Muslims can be just as hypocritical, judgmental, neurotic, whatever as Christians.

Religious freedom and tolerance will always be very, very important. But I'm not going out of my way to correct somebody when they point out that Islam sucks; based on what we've observed in other countries, I don't think we can correct them. If anything, the most I'll do is point out that other faiths suck, too. We gotta be tolerant, but we also gotta keep in mind that they all suck. I'll take whatever -phobia label that comes with that, I guess.

6/13/2016 1:20:25 AM

father's video statement

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36515029

6/13/2016 5:30:27 AM

^^that would be a pretty good point if there were equivalent hatred towards christians, but i'm pretty sure there aren't a lot of people calling for Christians to be deported or for them to all be registered and monitored

6/13/2016 6:56:20 AM

Quote :

"" Yeah there's definitely no homophobia going on here. Hot fucking take right there.""

You didn't see his original post hoss. It sounded like he was trying to somehow blame Republicans, Christians, Jews and Muslims for this all in the same sentence. Sure, the majority of Republicans and Christians are homophobic, but you don't see either groups going to shoot up gay bars.

[Edited on June 13, 2016 at 7:14 AM. Reason : dfsa]

6/13/2016 7:12:43 AM

only because they are cowards though, they definitely call for killing homosexuals but everyone pretends like its hyperbole

6/13/2016 7:29:20 AM

I've known lots of homophobes, and those who are, I don't know how to say it, but "lightly" against the gay lifestyle. None have advocated violence against them. It has always been more along the lines of "There's no way it's genetic, there's got to be something we can do about their situation." These people would never be violent against someone.

I feel like I have to say that those are NOT my views, but those of the people I'm talking about.

6/13/2016 7:48:03 AM

Quote :

"Kevin Swanson: Yes, Romans Chapter 1 verse 32 the Apostle Paul does says that homosexuals are worthy of death. His words not mine! And I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ! And I am not ashamed of the truth of the word of God. And I am willing to go to jail… …Now my friends let me introduce to you the next candidate for the office of President of the United States, folks please make welcome Senator Ted Cruz."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/16/opinion/campaign-stops/ted-cruz-and-the-anti-gay-pastor.html

and let's not forget Uganda's anti-gay laws that were supported by americans, they want the same thing as this terrorist they are just cowards about it

6/13/2016 8:21:03 AM

^Yeah that's true but what about this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roPQ_M3yJTA

6/13/2016 8:36:01 AM

And we can only hope that the Kevin Swansons of the world are on some of the same watch lists as the Mateens. Because for those guys, they are one and the same.

6/13/2016 8:44:02 AM

they're not, that dude can fly wherever he wants

6/13/2016 9:02:07 AM

Quote :

"I've known lots of homophobes, and those who are, I don't know how to say it, but "lightly" against the gay lifestyle. None have advocated violence against them. It has always been more along the lines of "There's no way it's genetic, there's got to be something we can do about their situation." These people would never be violent against someone"

Cool antecdotal evidence.

Can't wait to hear your antecdotal evidence showing how anti-abortion people you know aren't violent people either, like that matters.

6/13/2016 9:07:48 AM

Obama tried to say we don't know motive but he called 911 and told us. Lying is not nice, what a big meanie

6/13/2016 9:17:30 AM

In theory...not sure we have confirmation on that 911 call yet.

6/13/2016 9:20:54 AM

Quote :

"erhaps one day I will peruse enough liberal media to believe that "Islamaphobia" is a larger threat than Islamic Terrorism. "

It's not. But I would argue that one does directly lead to more of the other.

In any case, you have proven incapable of real conversation without resorting to the same three or four cliches so I'll leave it at that..

6/13/2016 9:55:07 AM

I heard dtownral's wife is moving abroad to Syria, so she doesn't have to be around so many Jewish and Christian "cowards" in the United States.

She was recently appalled at all the tubby Christian bigots who ate Chick-Fil-A in some weak political statement. Mateen's homicidal devotion has opened her eyes to how courageous men of God should really behave.

6/13/2016 9:59:17 AM

Do people forget the long history our country has with violence towards homosexuals?

It's gotten better but let's not act like this is a purely Islamic thing here.

6/13/2016 10:07:03 AM

Except no one here has gone on a rampage and killed 50 of them.

With the exception of dtownral's cowards, most anti-gay Americans view them as an annoyance, not humans whose lives need to be snuffed out.

6/13/2016 10:11:25 AM

have you been on Twitter lately?

no?

well I have some bad news for you if you think nobody is rejoicing that 50+ fags got what was coming to them and that they'll now be burning in hell.

oh wait. Twitter is just hyperbole. no need to take it seriously LOLOLOL

6/13/2016 10:13:29 AM