http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us/south-carolina-officer-is-charged-with-murder-in-black-mans-death.html?_r=0

phone cameras are our friend.

4/7/2015 7:11:36 PM

That makes 2 recent cops that SC has charged for shooting unarmed people. Bravo

4/7/2015 7:31:28 PM

too bad he won't serve much time

4/7/2015 7:34:56 PM

Good. That shit is murder. Mofo planting evidence and shit. Plus it doesn't look like any of the other cops providing medical aid are hurrying the fuck up about it.

fucked up yo.

4/7/2015 7:55:05 PM

Shitty situation but atleast he was charged. Relatively quickly too.

4/7/2015 8:42:48 PM

who wouldve thought such a backwards state like SC would have actually had a couple cops charged for their typical bullshit

also i'm kinda surprised the guy taking the video didn't get hassled, they acted like they didn't even notice him

4/7/2015 8:55:46 PM

the official report of what the cop said happened is terrifying

without video, that's all there is

jesus.

4/7/2015 9:00:39 PM

If bet 75% of the "he was reaching for my gun" stories are made up. Just so happens this lie was on video.

4/7/2015 9:04:23 PM

The guy should have had his break light in working condition :eyeroll:

Kinda scary to think that somehow a stop for a brake light failure turned into murder. Wonder what really happened in between. Family said he was getting ready to get married. Going nuts on a cop isn't typical behavior for a groom to be.

4/7/2015 9:38:16 PM

Ya know, when you see shit like this, you can kind of understand why some people think best course of action when seeing a cop is to run as fucking fast as you can in the other direction.

4/7/2015 9:48:53 PM

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"Going nuts on a cop isn't typical behavior for a groom to be."

and that's how it starts

must've had demon eyes, right?

4/7/2015 9:59:13 PM

^ i think rjrmfel is trying to say the cop's story didn't make much sense to begin with (not like any of these stories really do).

4/8/2015 2:19:18 AM

I wish tgl would just stop posting. Or maybe pay attention to my posts before writing them off as something other than what they are.

Would you like for me to clarify?

Why would someone who is getting ready to get married, getting ready to change their lives in one of the best possible ways, even think about doing something to a cop?

Unless this is some bizarre case of cold feet...

4/8/2015 7:19:25 AM

Demonic eyes.

8 shots to the back.

4/8/2015 7:59:26 AM

Based on the multitude of documentaries I've watched on possession (Exorcist, Last Exorcism, Deborah Logan, etc) exorcism doesn't always work. So, if said perp was possessed, the officer may have felt that 8 shots to the back was the only way to save this poor man's soul.

4/8/2015 8:29:29 AM

I've seen NightCrawler. The dude holding the camera is prolly the guy that set this all up.

Seriously though, how does he get that perfect shot with a close up that the cop never even notices?

[Edited on April 8, 2015 at 8:34 AM. Reason : f]

4/8/2015 8:33:56 AM

4/8/2015 9:12:47 AM

Very tragic event. Good to see the officer being charged with murder.

4/8/2015 9:53:04 AM

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"Or maybe pay attention to my posts before writing them off as something other than what they are."

He has problems comprehending what he reads.

4/8/2015 9:56:24 AM

In the video was that the cop's stun gun that went flying away right before the guy ran?

4/8/2015 9:59:01 AM

With all this happening and all the media coverage of murders by cops, I honestly can see why some people might become scared enough to run from cops, even if they haven't committed a crime (and yes, I can see why a black man might be even more prone to run from a white cop, because race may not always be a factor, but it definitely is sometimes).

4/8/2015 10:22:34 AM

^^ Its also his stun gun that you can see the cop planting near the body.

4/8/2015 10:24:03 AM

so if you chew up some pot its felony tampering with evidence, if you move a weapon at the scene of a fatal shooting its...

4/8/2015 10:40:52 AM

So, even if the guy honestly grabbed the cops taser...there's still no intent to kill here. If he wanted to kill, he would have gone for the gun. Plus...the guy was obviously running away.

In the case of Mike Brown, he was running toward the cop, so that was a completely different situation.

4/8/2015 12:06:58 PM

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"n the case of Mike Brown, he was running toward the cop, so that was a completely different situation."

serious question, has this been proven to be a fact?

[Edited on April 8, 2015 at 12:24 PM. Reason : ]

4/8/2015 12:17:30 PM

no

4/8/2015 12:23:19 PM

so that's still just speculation that people repeat as fact

4/8/2015 12:25:05 PM

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"I wish tgl would just stop posting. Or maybe pay attention to my posts before writing them off as something other than what they are. Would you like for me to clarify? "

both times you've attempted to clarify you mentioned nothing about what the cops story was and only mentioned what the dead guy could have possibly been doing to get in an altercation.

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"Wonder what really happened in between. Family said he was getting ready to get married. Going nuts on a cop isn't typical behavior for a groom to be."

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"Why would someone who is getting ready to get married, getting ready to change their lives in one of the best possible ways, even think about doing something to a cop? Unless this is some bizarre case of cold feet..."

a simple "how does the cop's story make any sense?" would have been enough, but even if you didn't intend to put blame on the victim, it kind of looks like you are

that's all

4/8/2015 12:38:03 PM

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" but even if you didn't intend to put blame on the victim, it kind of looks like you are"

it's exceptionally clear that he was doing the opposite with in his post you responded to.

4/8/2015 12:49:12 PM

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"rjrumfel: Why would someone who is getting ready to get married, getting ready to change their lives in one of the best possible ways, even think about doing something to a cop?"

At this point, I think it's evident that a lot of these guys are legitimately afraid for their lives when they interact with the police. And, because they interact with the police more often, they also tend to have lengthier arrest records filled with every petty thing they ever did--it can add up to wanting to run.

A more important question that we really, really need to answer...why did the cop shoot that guy in the back?

That's a 50 year-old man whose only remotely recent crimes are an open container and coming up short on child support. What would possess someone to shoot him dead?

Really, some of these cases are so bizarre that the police look like paid assassins.

I mean, every single one of us probably interacts with violent homeless people who are off their meds, and we somehow get along just fine without murdering them. And I get that working as a police officer is different, but it's simply not that hard to avoid shooting people in the back.

Even the KKK is probably troubled by this--who will they blame for their problems if the police kill all the black people? There's not nearly enough Jews.

[Edited on April 8, 2015 at 1:08 PM. Reason : Ridiculous.]

4/8/2015 1:03:24 PM

given that he still posts things like,

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"In the case of Mike Brown, he was running toward the cop, so that was a completely different situation."

forgive me if I don't give him the benefit of the doubt when talking about these things

4/8/2015 1:03:30 PM

Only stupid racists, can watch a video of a man getting shot running away from a cop and try to justify it.

4/8/2015 1:06:20 PM

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"forgive me if I don't give him the benefit of the doubt when talking about these things"

Are you trolling me or something?

He's saying that in this case the dude got shot in the back. No matter what the cop said to lie his way out of trouble from his department, it's obvious it was an inappropriate use of deadly force.

In the other case he cites, the dude was not shot in the back, so the case is not quite as clear.

While I'm usually driving the 'rjrumfel is dumb' bus, in this case, he's right. I think you're applying a bias to his posts ITT based on the nonsense he posts elsewhere on this site.




[Edited on April 8, 2015 at 1:14 PM. Reason : ^ who is doing that? ]

4/8/2015 1:10:28 PM

how am I trolling you?

I clarified why I thought what he originally posted could be taken a different way, that's all. I even said that it may not have been his intent

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"I think you're applying a bias to his posts ITT based on the nonsense he posts elsewhere on this site."

and yeah, I totally owned up to that.

[Edited on April 8, 2015 at 1:19 PM. Reason : .]

4/8/2015 1:18:58 PM

So the mayor of Charleston has ordered more body cameras for officers.

a step in the right direction, sure. but severely late, and more of a shuffle instead of a step.

1. there have been reports of officers dismantling the antenna equipment in their cars which the cameras rely on to communicate data. in addition, there have been officers that just turn their cameras off when they know they're about to do some shady shit. I'm not saying all body cameras should be recording all the time... just noting this is an issue that must be worked out.

2. the fact that a police report can somehow differ so greatly from the events that actually transpired says that at best, the police report should be taken with a grain of salt in all cases.
likewise, this notion of a police officers word being taken over that of anyone else's in a courtroom needs to be done away with. police lie just as much as anyone else.

4/8/2015 1:22:28 PM

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"and yeah, I totally owned up to that."

Where?

4/8/2015 1:23:48 PM

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"the police report should be taken with a grain of salt in all cases. "

He should get some additional charges for the false police report and crime scene manipulation etc too right?

[Edited on April 8, 2015 at 1:28 PM. Reason : V that's a bit of a stretch, but whatever]

4/8/2015 1:27:27 PM

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"forgive me if I don't give him the benefit of the doubt when talking about these things"

4/8/2015 1:27:59 PM

TWW


Serious Business

4/8/2015 1:34:21 PM

I mean, the cop tried to frame the victim for his own murder. I think that at least deserves a porcupine quill to the dong.

[Edited on April 8, 2015 at 1:39 PM. Reason : would have gotten away with it too, were it not for those meddling kids]

4/8/2015 1:37:49 PM

Would he really have gotten away with it?? Wouldn't forensics have shown that the dude got shot 5 times in the back when he was 20 feet away?? I mean...I guess they could have said that he had the taser in his hand...but he was still in the process of running away.

Obviously the video helps speed this whole process up...but this guy was going to go have a hard time getting out of this regardless.

Is he going to get shanked in prison or can they keep him isolated the entire time?

Slightly funny story. An acquaintance of mine (wouldn't call him a friend because I don't really like him that much...but we definitely hang in the same circles) is a big time criminal attorney down here and was representing the cop until the video came out. Then he immediately dropped him. I found that amusing (only amusing thing I've found about this situation...obviously).

4/8/2015 1:48:19 PM

are forensics required for every police shooting? I really don't know.

if not, they could have just taken him at his word

and even if they are required, we've seen plenty of instances of departments doing everything they can to protect their officers

[Edited on April 8, 2015 at 1:54 PM. Reason : .]

4/8/2015 1:50:35 PM

Until we can get these matters sorted out, I'm gonna need police to start lying on white people. Also, if they could aim some lies at child abusers and wife beaters, you know, set up some slam dunk cases, I think that would be pretty sweet, too.

And rapists! Can't prosecute a rape, but you know it happened? Pull him over and find some baggies, weed, and crack in his car. And he spit in your face and threatened to kill your family.

No, wait! The police should always carry child porn. White people get busted for that all the time. You can take out any white male by planting some child porn on him, and nobody would question it.

I don't think we're at a place where they can start killing a bunch of white people, but the child porn thing would work. And all it takes is a printer...you don't even have to steal from the evidence room.

4/8/2015 1:50:48 PM

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"And I get that working as a police officer is different, but it's simply not that hard to avoid shooting people in the back."

4/8/2015 1:57:44 PM

this one is cut and dry. cop is guilty. and a scum bag for planting evidence.

4/8/2015 1:58:53 PM

This guy obviously did something bad 30 years ago that justifies this killing.

4/8/2015 2:10:44 PM

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"are forensics required for every police shooting? I really don't know. if not, they could have just taken him at his word and even if they are required, we've seen plenty of instances of departments doing everything they can to protect their officers"

I don't do criminal work, so I'm just going off of common sense....

but if a black guy is shot in the back by a white cop with the current situation of unrest that our country is in, they aren't just going to "take him at his word." An investigation was going to be undertaken at some point.

4/8/2015 2:12:06 PM

Has anything information surfaced regarding how the CPD was handling this shooting? I think the shooting was Saturday afternoon, and the video was released and charges filed in response on Tuesday, right? That leaves around 48 hours for CPD to recognize that their officer shot a dude in the back, and take some sort of action, right? Like in this obvious of a case, there should be things they do right? I'm asking because I hope the answer is yes, and they eventually get throttled by the feds for not doing it.

4/8/2015 2:15:38 PM

I'm guessing there was an investigation ongoing before the video was leaked because the officer had already lawyered up and even made a statement. Then the shit hit the fan. I haven't heard anything gone "awry" before the video with the exception of the officer's fabricated statement.

4/8/2015 2:27:39 PM

I am of the opinion that the police chiefs in SC are only charging the officers because they do not want to deal with the fall out. (protests, riots, federal supervision) As pointed out above, no cops have been charged in cases where there was not video that looked REALLY bad on them, despite the odds being very high that there have been similar cases that were not on tape.

4/8/2015 2:28:30 PM