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"For God Sakes! Posted by Third Man on 15 February 2015 dear journalists and other people looking for drama or a diva, even in the age of the short attention span internet article, it’s still hard to believe you are STILL writing about this: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2015/02/15/386409331/for-musician-jack-white-any-old-guacamole-just-wont-do wow. classy. seems like there’s a new rule number one for up and coming journalists: don’t let the facts get in the way of click bait. at the risk of incurring even more of this hoo haa (and i’ve definitely turned my cheek more than once lately) and even though our management sent out a letter to clarify this, and since this seems to be all anyone can ask me about lately, here’s the real deal, and hopefully it’ll explain this nonsensical scenario and we can move on with our lives. (or what have you). first off, this is none of your business, but i have no specific demands in my dressing room. i know i could ask for lots of things but i actually don’t ask for ANYTHING. i take with me what i need, and that ain’t much. anything on the rider is for the band and the crew. this “guacamole recipe” is my hilarious tour managers inside joke with the local promoters, it’s his recipe, not mine. it’s just something to break up the boredom, seeing who can make it best. though i wouldn’t know because i’ve never had it. i can’t even make kool aid let alone cook any real food enough to have a “recipe.” sorry, i don’t have that talent. bananas: did it occur to anyone someone on the tour might have an allergy to them? no? hmmm. one day some fantasy journalist out there will call someone in the biz and actually have a rider explained to them, maybe none of them have ever been on tour. oh well, let’s move on, first amendment issues: i fully believe in the freedom of the press (though the supposed search for truth from the press requires microscopes and a some morton salt), and i also defend anyone’s right to free speech (just look at my lack of respect for grammar in this letter and tell me i’m not for communicating freely) and i defend the right to free information in regards to public funds, but never in my 20 years of playing shows has my contract and tour rider been published in the paper that i recall. do you know why we don’t do that or want that? a hundred articles about bananas, free speech, and guacamole is why; it’s because people don’t understand what a rider is or what the terms of a contract are. they’re out of their element, and you can’t blame them for it. and people who write about that know this. people WANT a rider to be a list of demands that a diva insists occur lest he or she refuse to play a note of music. but in reality, it’s just some food and drinks backstage for the hundred workers and guests who have to live in a concrete bunker for 15 hours. some people bring their own living rooms on tour, some people ask for a huge spread. who cares? what you’re looking for is someone throwing a tantrum because they didn’t get their brown m and m’s, sorry to disappoint. someone printed that i’m never going to oklahoma again? not true. i love oklahoma, that’s why i booked this show instead of playing chicago or atlanta for four times as much money. ask around in tulsa. i’ve been there at least three times on these last two albums. i love it there. our booking agent warned the college that other artists might not book shows there? of course they did, it’s bad business what that school paper did and really rude. of course they are going to tell them to wise up. am i pissed at the students at oklahoma university? absolutely not. am i disappointed in young journalists at their school paper? absolutely. but i forgive them, they’re young and have learned their lesson about truth and ethics hopefully. all they have to do is google this to know that it’s not worth it. look for real problems instead next time. look for the truth, not fake drama. i got pissed during my show and berated the crowd? no. sorry, didn’t happen. i made jokes about the paper publishing that info, so which of us is thin skinned? they have freedom of speech but i don’t? at my show? ok. i guess the rules change for different people. the crowd were amazing and we played for 2 and a half hours that night. people were told to delete photos on their camera? i dont know much about that but it must be a miscommunication about what was public property at the college and the contract we had with the university to let us do our work in peace; but i’ll give you an example, if someone working at a theater we played at started taking pictures of all of our workers and our gear they’d probably get fired by their theater or promoter. sorry to the student paper budding press papparazzi on that one, but is this a tmz assignment or can you give us some peace while we try to put on a show for the students? give us a break man. i know it’s a fun thing for people to try to turn me into a jerk and a diva, but in this case it’s pretty ridiculous and has almost nothing to do with me. my relationship with the fans at that show and how we got to a new place together through music remains intact and i’d love to do it again with them. i think that’s everything, can i go back to making music now? no? ok. crochet it is. jack white"

http://www.thesuperficial.com/jack-white-guacamole-open-letter-tour-rider-02-2015

2/18/2015 12:16:01 AM

was a joke.


was his wife in a sex tape?

2/18/2015 12:21:15 AM

2/18/2015 12:32:52 AM

riders with odd requests never existed before this current Jack White tour

2/18/2015 12:45:50 AM

^ it's not about the request you dunce.

2/18/2015 12:52:53 AM

why'd they publish the rider?

2/18/2015 12:54:03 AM

I don't give a shit.

I quoted the important part.

[Edited on February 18, 2015 at 12:55 AM. Reason : + did they actually publish the entire rider? Thought it was just the recipe...]

2/18/2015 12:54:50 AM

this isn't a Jack White issue

this is a cattiness/gossip issue (or a clickbait/internet issue)

there's a discussion to be had on the latter, not of the former

2/18/2015 1:00:26 AM

Publishing the guacamole recipe was silly, and getting upset about it being published is just as silly. Do we even need to get into the fact that Jack White is supposed to be a professional, and the party that published the rider is an amateur newspaper?

[Edited on February 18, 2015 at 1:07 AM. Reason : .]

2/18/2015 1:02:13 AM

again, what was the endgame for them publishing the rider?

amateur or not, there's no valid reason

they got caught up in the game of "lololol let's make fun of this person", which is waaaaay too prevalent in journalism these days

and it's not like they work for a gossip site, either

2/18/2015 1:14:50 AM

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"this is a cattiness/gossip issue (or a clickbait/internet issue)"

gg for +1ing Jack White's spin.

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" getting upset about it being published is just as silly. "

Thankfully somebody gets it.

[Edited on February 18, 2015 at 1:27 AM. Reason : + he's known as being an asshole, like billy corgan]

2/18/2015 1:23:50 AM

spin?

you may wanna check the link you posted in the OP

2/18/2015 1:30:14 AM

i have no idea what this thread is about, or why people care

[Edited on February 18, 2015 at 1:33 AM. Reason : too long, didnt read, block of text]

2/18/2015 1:32:47 AM

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"again, what was the endgame for them publishing the rider? amateur or not, there's no valid reason"

Questioning how state money is spent has a pretty obvious public interest angle if you aren't being oblivious. You can question their tactics for drawing attention to that if you want, but their endgame is pretty clear and is perfectly in line with what I would expect from a student newspaper:
http://www.oudaily.com/l_and_a/setting-the-record-straight-about-jack-white/article_8c298334-abfb-11e4-bbfb-33fb07950ab9.html

2/18/2015 1:34:54 AM

there's some spin

and oblivious? they admitted they posted the rider because they found it odd. that's it.

it's completely fine to post what they paid him for the gig, Grayson Currin just did that exact thing with our own state fair and it was great. they're hiding behind that when it's obvious why did it.

that has absolutely nothing to do with what's on an artists rider.

2/18/2015 1:43:39 AM

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"and oblivious? they admitted they posted the rider because they found it odd. that's it. "

uhhhh, no:

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"We published the information because students need to know how their money is being spent — even if it’s being spent on homemade guacamole and aged salami with a sharp knife. Additionally, many performers have oddities in their contract. Van Halen’s contract famously included a ‘No Brown M&M’s’ clause. The band included the clause to make sure people were reading the contract carefully. Perhaps White had similar intentions? But we don’t know because everyone we tried to contact either declined to comment or didn’t comment, so we reported the information we had. "

Bottom line for me is that Jack White needs to put on his big boy pants and suck it up. If he doesn't want his contracts and/or rider published then don't play a concert that's paid for with public funds. He is perfectly capable of making an informed decision about whether that's in his best interest or not, and bitching and moaning about it after the fact makes him look incompetent and insufferable.

[Edited on February 18, 2015 at 1:57 AM. Reason : .]

2/18/2015 1:55:09 AM

So...does this mean we aren't getting the daily tar hell next year either?

[Edited on February 18, 2015 at 7:29 AM. Reason : Ravi K. Chitilla deworming agent]

2/18/2015 7:28:16 AM

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"spin? you may wanna check the link you posted in the OP"

You lifted those the words you posted right out of his letter I posted at the top of this thread. Rocket science, this ain't.

This is like Eddie Murphy getting all butthurt over David Spade's Hollywood Minute joke about him.

2/18/2015 9:35:59 AM

also:

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"Correct. As you all may have heard, The Daily — or any other media organization — wasn’t allowed to photograph White’s concert. The Daily was initially told we would get press passes for the concert. Sooner yearbook was told they would get passes, and, up until a few hours before the concert, The Norman Transcript believed they had credentials to get in too. After each organization called to check on the passes, they were all told they wouldn’t be getting any. We then went to take photos outside the venue of equipment being loaded into McCasland Field House, students lining up and people going into the venue. Our photographers were repeatedly told to leave even though they were on public property. One photographer who was taking pictures outside the building was approached by security and told to delete the images off the camera’s memory card or give up their camera. The photographer deleted the photos, but the photos were recovered when they got back to the newsroom. In White’s contract it says that no photographs may be taken in or around the venue, but constitutionally this is not something that can be enforced. If you are in a public place, you can take photos. Additionally, there was a request made for audience members not to take photos or videos, but this was not enforced during the concert."

2/18/2015 9:36:57 AM

also:

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"Black Keys' drummer Patrick Carney addressed those e-mails in the May 22nd issue of Rolling Stone, saying that, while he thought White "sounds like an asshole,""

So I'm not alone here.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/jack-white-without-the-stripes-thered-be-no-black-keys-20140530

2/18/2015 9:44:28 AM

and for funsies:

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"White has been called "eccentric."[107][108][109][110] He is known for creating mythology around his endeavors;[9] examples include his claim that the Stripes began on Bastille Day,[31] that he and Meg are the two youngest of ten siblings,[31][33][111] and that Third Man Records used to be a candy factory.[13] These assertions came into question or were disproven, such as when, in 2002, the Detroit Free Press produced copies of both a marriage license and divorce certificate for him and Meg, confirming their history as a married couple.[91] Neither addresses the truth officially, and Jack continues to refer to Meg as his sister in interviews,[13] including in the documentary Under Great White Northern Lights, filmed in 2007.[112] In a 2005 interview with Rolling Stone magazine, Jack alluded to this open secret, implying that it was intended to keep the focus on the music rather than the couple's relationship: "When you see a band that is two pieces, husband and wife, boyfriend and girlfriend, you think, 'Oh, I see...' When they're brother and sister, you go, 'Oh, that's interesting.' You care more about the music, not the relationship—whether they're trying to save their relationship by being in a band."[3] He has an attachment to the number three,[35][113] stemming from seeing three staples in the back of a Vladimir Kagan couch he helped to upholster as an apprentice.[48] His business ventures frequently feature three in the title and he typically appends "III" to the end of his name.[27] During his 2007 tour in the UK, White began referring to himself as "Three Quid"—"quid" being British slang for pound sterling.[114] He maintains an aesthetic that he says challenges whether people will believe he is "real."[3][27] He frequently color-codes his endeavors, such as the aforementioned Third Man Upholstery and The White Stripes, as well as Third Man Records, which is completely outfitted in yellow, black, red, and blue (including staff uniforms).[5] As a taxidermy enthusiast—that correlates to his work as an upholsterer—he outfits his studio in preserved animals, including a peacock, giraffe, and Himalayan goat.[27] His entourage are expected to dress in a way that corresponds to his current project, while still being able to express themselves individually.[citation needed]"

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"It became hypnotic. This was the minimum amount of staples I could put to hold this fabric down. The number three exemplifies the almost iconic, mysterious perfection that cannot be obtained...To this day, I still think about it all the time.[48] White, on how seeing three staples on a upholstery piece triggered his affinity for the number three."

2/18/2015 9:45:09 AM

i really don't care that a student newspaper posted a public record online. WHO CARES.

BREAKING NEWS: FAMOUS MUSICIANS ARE WEIRD PEOPLE

2/18/2015 9:59:04 AM

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"i really don't care that a student newspaper posted a public record online. WHO CARES."

Jack White cares.

2/18/2015 10:11:47 AM

Jack Black > Jack White

2/18/2015 10:15:56 AM

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"uhhhh, no"

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"We requested his contract to find out how much OU paid him and to find out the other terms of the contract. From there, we posted some of the odd things we found, such as the guacamole recipe and banana ban."

try reading the entire text of what you link to next time

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"You lifted those the words you posted right out of his letter I posted at the top of this thread. Rocket science, this ain't."

this seems to be harder than rocket science for you. his entire argument boils down to the era of clickbait/gossip in media/journalism. your OP included a link to a gossip/clickbait site. are you getting it now?

you may want to tone it down a bit

2/18/2015 10:42:46 AM

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"his entire argument boils down to the era of clickbait/gossip in media/journalism. your OP included a link to a gossip/clickbait site."

I don't care about his argument, except to point out that you're just echoing it ITT.

Also if you're calling OU's student-produced newspaper website a clickbait/gossip site, is http://www.technicianonline.com also a clickbait/gossip site to you?

2/18/2015 10:50:58 AM

so is this all an act for you?

2/18/2015 10:53:26 AM

Tell us more about how http://www.technicianonline.com is a mix between Upworthy and Gawker.

[Edited on February 18, 2015 at 11:18 AM. Reason : or about how Miley stole #snl40]

2/18/2015 11:00:16 AM

can someone briefly summarize what's going on here?

2/18/2015 11:18:19 AM

^ Jack White is an asshole and thegoodlife3 thinks http://www.technicianonline.com is a gossip site.

[Edited on February 18, 2015 at 11:22 AM. Reason : V me too]

2/18/2015 11:19:30 AM

but i like a lot of his music

2/18/2015 11:21:16 AM

oh look thegoodlife3 is all bent out of shape over an artist

truly shocked here

2/18/2015 3:15:58 PM

I'm no math major, but I'm pretty sure the clickbait site thegoodlife3 was referring to was thesuperficial.
But that's just mytwocents

2/18/2015 5:10:04 PM

Gawker is more of a gossip site. The Superficial is more like a celebrity news site tbh.

2/18/2015 6:53:18 PM

I didn't read the rider but that bitchy response makes me assume that the rider was also equally bitchy.

2/18/2015 7:31:24 PM

I haven't read the rider yet either. Here it is - https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B14lRCgV2C9wbGpTb0tsQk1iMGstaW5UY0FPMFVuNy1LQ2k0/edit

lol [please don't put alcohol in crew room until show starts]

[Edited on February 18, 2015 at 7:58 PM. Reason : They really love some red bull]

2/18/2015 7:45:43 PM

2/18/2015 7:55:15 PM

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"Gawker is more of a gossip site. The Superficial is more like a celebrity news site tbh."

a simple google search will tell you otherwise.....

....but we all know that reading isn't your strongsuit

2/18/2015 9:23:38 PM

at least we can all agree that anyone who reads either one is a dipshit

2/18/2015 9:27:06 PM

Naw, Gawker has some useful content. Superficial not so much.

2/18/2015 10:55:14 PM

I read through this entire thread, and feel like a dipshit for doing so.

2/18/2015 10:58:26 PM

Lettuce us discuss topic x:

user A: opinion Y

synaspe: you freaking moron, Y is INCORRECT

2/19/2015 9:21:10 AM

LOOK AT WHAT YOU ARE ARGUING ABOUT ITT

2/19/2015 9:32:48 AM

Lettuce us discuss topic x:

user A: opinion Y

beatsunc: you freaking moron, http://fairtax.org/

2/19/2015 11:01:53 AM

...basically its just fun to give thegoodlife3 a hard time because he gets so fucking upset whenever people discuss one of the most subjective topics on the planet, music, or by extension musicians.

2/19/2015 11:36:41 AM

This thread confuses me.

I suggest we lock this rubbish Tbh.

2/19/2015 5:05:47 PM