Leave the guns at the station

8/11/2014 12:43:37 PM

k

8/11/2014 12:48:17 PM

Can theduke lock this stupid thread?

Removing guns from cops could be a first step in removing guns from the populace. Neither will happen.

8/11/2014 5:17:30 PM

troll thread is trolly.

8/11/2014 5:35:53 PM

Name three first world countries where cops don't carry besides the UK and NZ.

8/11/2014 6:38:56 PM

I'm just gonna leave this baby seal out in the open for now.

8/11/2014 6:50:19 PM

Norway
Iceland
Switzerland
Ireland

Theres 4 and big surprise they do everything else better as well

[Edited on August 11, 2014 at 8:24 PM. Reason : of course the pro gun crazies think this is a troll thread]

8/11/2014 8:23:35 PM

The combined population of those 4 countries is less than the combined population of NC, SC and GA. It's a stretch to even call them countries, really.

8/11/2014 8:30:33 PM

This wouldn't be a bad policy in some parts of the country.

It just wouldn't stop the types of shootings we've seen in the new recently.

And they did choke out that guy in NY, no gun needed.

But as far as earning the public's trust and respect, this could go a long ways.

8/11/2014 8:30:48 PM

Gotta love the " but the countries doing things right have a lot less people than us" excuse. That kind of accountability puts us in a league with china india indonesia and brazil.

Also the backpocket excuses are old. You said name the countries the. You dismiss it because they are small even though they should be comparable. We are not supposed to be a 3rd world country.

8/11/2014 8:39:16 PM

yes, ban cops from having guns. maybe when they have to arrest someone they can just ask please when they resist with a weapon.

8/11/2014 8:55:39 PM

like in 'demolition man'

8/11/2014 8:57:19 PM

^because people who resist arrest deserve to be shot?

8/11/2014 9:00:42 PM

"Uh, I'd like to hold off judgement on a thing like that, sir, until all the facts are in."

8/11/2014 9:08:54 PM

I beilve the idea would be beat cops. Not all police everywhere.

8/11/2014 9:19:56 PM

the UK and NZ
Norway
Iceland
Switzerland
Ireland

are countries without dangerous minorities (who are becoming the majority) ruining everything with thug life and gang violence. take the ethnicity percentages of these countries and compare to the USA. then look at crime statistics for those countries and the USA, and see what percent of ethnicity commits the violent crimes. then tell me we should get rid of armed police in the USA.

8/11/2014 9:28:28 PM

Yes, this is horrible, this idea.

8/11/2014 9:40:33 PM

Put cameras on all cops.


Only take guns away from police if all guns are outlawed

8/11/2014 9:49:40 PM

Ireland is filled with a dangerous minority called the Irish

[Edited on August 11, 2014 at 10:05 PM. Reason : Irish people]

8/11/2014 10:00:20 PM

I think we should do the opposite. Cops are heroes. They shouldn't just have guns, they should also have flash grenades, full body armor, drones, uh... fly swatters, nunchucks....let's see, they should be allowed to give out Indian burns, too.


And since no cop ever had abused his our her authority, it's destined to bring out flawless results.

8/11/2014 10:20:57 PM

we need bounty hunters, not like 'dawg' or whatever the fuck that shit is, but straight up star wars style

8/11/2014 11:37:16 PM

Racists like forte are exactly why things like this happen.

Those other countries obviously dont have systematic racism segregation and slavery like we do so a lot more would have to happen to level it out including having the gun laws and social programs that those countriws have so people arent put into desperate sotuations in the first place. Norway takes people in from somalia syria afghanistan and these people do much better there because its not a racist system.

8/12/2014 1:29:24 AM

Actually this webcomic explains why Norway is doing so well

8/12/2014 1:59:02 AM

^ the best part is the fish even looking at the oil!

8/12/2014 2:30:57 AM

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"Those other countries obviously dont have systematic racism segregation"

Is bullshit. You can't even move to Switzerland unless you can get a job there that benefits the country. Their immigration is highly regulated. And I bet you their population is about as creamy as clam chowder. Is that on purpose? Not officially. I'm not saying that is why cops don't carry, I'm just saying that your argument that those countries are utopias is complete crap.

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"The admission of people from non-EU/EFTA countries is regulated by the Foreign Nationals Act, and is limited to skilled workers who are urgently required and are likely to integrate successfully in the long term. There are quotas established yearly: in 2012 it was 3,500 residency permits and 5,000 short-term permits.[3]"

[Edited on August 12, 2014 at 7:18 AM. Reason : asdf ]

8/12/2014 7:17:44 AM

Yep, we should totally take all guns away from cops because of a few bad employees out of the tens of thousands of law enforcement officers in this country that actually give a damn and do their job well. This could, in no way ever, end worse than the current situation we have now.

Perhaps those of you championing this idea would be willing to put on a uniform without a gun and go walking around Trenton, East St. Louis, Camden, Detroit, Memphis etc. You'd be completely willing to go do that right now, right? Please, lead by example, and let me know how that works out for you.

8/12/2014 7:58:24 AM

We have oil too. We have way more resources than those countries.s we have gdp per capita that is about the same as those dont act like they are qatar. Keep making up excuses but it is simply denial. Our people are poor because of our capitalist policies and nothing else.

The race excuse is bs. London is pretty much as diverse as nyc. Oslo has entire afghan and somali neighborhoods and is more diverse than the typical american city

[Edited on August 12, 2014 at 10:39 AM. Reason : k]

8/12/2014 10:37:46 AM

How about 300 million guns already in circulation and a culture ingrained for centuries for gun ownership entitlement? Are those reasonable issues with de-arming our police?

8/12/2014 10:49:44 AM

the "OMG THEY DON'T HAVE MINORITIES!" response is also what is used when you point out that these countries have greater class mobility

8/12/2014 11:07:06 AM

I would love to disarm most police. The average beat cop, state trooper, or traffic ticket machine/patrolman doesn't need or ever even have occasion to use their weapon. They use SWAT for just about anything that even smells like it might be slightly dangerous, including serving warrants for non-violent offenses, code violations, etc.

You could arm gang taskforces, detectives, SWAT, and a few others, but most cops just don't need to be carrying.

Ultimately it's not going to happen, but what absolutely needs to happen is dashcams in every car and body cameras on every cop with data uploaded to a secure server that is not accessible by the police on any level.

8/12/2014 4:10:07 PM

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"because of a few bad employees out of the tens of thousands of law enforcement officers in this country "

New York City paid out $152 Million dollars - Million - because of police misconduct last year. It is not just a "few bad employees." Corruption is rampant in certain areas of the country.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/12823/20140812/high-tech-camera-coming-nyc-police-officers.htm

I'm not advocating guns being taken away from cops, although I think their use should be more restricted.

8/12/2014 4:16:54 PM

^ they would just cover the cameras or turn them off whenever they were going to do something shady. Just like cops who conceal their badge numbers before breaking down doors, etc.

And, isn't it illegal to film the cops in NYC? I thought I heard that the guy who filmed that cop who choked that guy to death (for selling cigarettes, mind you) also got arrested? Or at least systemically harassed?

A think a better effort should be made to remove anti-filming laws from the books. Or some app developer should come up with an app that real time uploads camera videos online when filming cops. I think the ACLU might have something like this?

I dunno, I have little faith of this problem being solved legislatively. If anything, the laws will probably tilt in the other direction, making exposing misconduct more of crime than the actual misconduct itself.

[Edited on August 12, 2014 at 4:30 PM. Reason : ]

8/12/2014 4:28:29 PM

^^^Not actually true.

Though ticketing is massive money maker as its sole purpose, it is also one of the more dangerous things that officers do.

8/12/2014 4:40:42 PM

Filming the NYPD is legal.

They're just dicks.

8/12/2014 7:26:14 PM

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"they would just cover the cameras or turn them off whenever they were going to do something shady. "

Yeah, but there are ways around that, and to discourage it. Have two cameras so it becomes very difficult to cover both without it being obvious (one on the head, one on the chest). If the camera is turned off in a suspicious manner, then the officer should be investigated to determine foul play, and perhaps could be charged with tampering with evidence or obstruction of justice or some such.

8/12/2014 7:59:16 PM

With the exception of undercover officers, if the camera is turned off, covered, or otherwise tampered with, loss of job, no questions asked.

8/12/2014 8:11:00 PM

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"Norway Iceland Switzerland Ireland"

Swiss police carry.
Norway police generally don't carry, but all police cars have pistols and sub-machine guns inside.
Ireland just moved to start arming uniformed Garda
Iceland... doesn't Raleigh have a larger population than the entire country?

8/12/2014 9:10:56 PM

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"You could arm detectives"

The majority of them don't leave the station or have patrol get their hands dirty.

Quote :

"The average beat cop, state trooper, or traffic ticket machine/patrolman doesn't need or ever even have occasion to use their weapon."

Troll much? I'll bite, I used it once.

8/12/2014 9:12:34 PM

"hey look a cop lets berate him because this is a messageboard for armchair revolutionaries"

too bad you guys werent around to spit on vietnam vets

too bad the internet wasnt around so you could pretend to spit on vietnam vets

"fuck em all" right?

8/12/2014 10:24:49 PM

Oh dont be a baby

8/12/2014 10:58:19 PM

Quote :

"[these] are countries without dangerous minorities (who are becoming the majority) ruining everything with thug life and gang violence. take the ethnicity percentages of these countries and compare to the USA. then look at crime statistics for those countries and the USA, and see what percent of ethnicity commits the violent crimes."

I'm going to assume that this is sarcasm that's not easily discernible over the internet and just walk away..

8/13/2014 12:06:38 AM

looks like y0willy0 has resorted to posting shitty haiku's and then ending them all with rolley eyes.

8/13/2014 1:49:31 AM

while i do love haiku i promise i wont rolle my eyes anymore

8/13/2014 10:40:03 AM

I'd say it's ridiculous that so many of you are falling for this troll bait...

but I'm having a slow day at work so who am I to discourage something so entertaining.

8/13/2014 1:34:37 PM

We know it's troll bait. But some people take it seriously, unfortunately.

8/13/2014 1:55:13 PM

would day to day police work really change if beat cops didnt have guns on their person.

8/13/2014 2:19:14 PM

they would have to change how they interact with public, they couldn't be so confrontational by default

8/13/2014 2:20:24 PM

It's an issue of perceived safety, sorta like a nuclear deterrent. The only problem is that we give police officers too much leash to push the button.

But it's also an issue of personal safety. Can we (society) legally put officers into situations where they don't have reasonable means to defend themselves? I'm not talking about shotguns, or rifles, or assault weapons, just a basic handgun. If evidence (and I'm not saying it does) shows that a substantial (up for interpretation) amount of interactions with the public produce a firearm or a situation where a firearm can be used against an officer, don't we have to provide our officers with means to defend themselves? It would seem almost criminally negligent if we didn't.

8/14/2014 9:28:15 AM

if only there were something else we could complement this with

another idea perhaps plucked from these other countries

some sort of method of...i don't know, call it controlling something

like guns

controlling guns

8/14/2014 11:15:15 AM

and now we have 2 trolls.

8/14/2014 12:50:22 PM