. . . . and attempting to privatize them???Asheville Airporthttp://www.blueridgenow.com/article/20120611/ARTICLES/120619974?p=1&tc=pghttp://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/03/04/3888973/in-asheville-airport-deal-had.htmlBasically the state transferred the Asheville airport to a regional authority board that includes more representation of neighboring Henderson county. Asheville says it needs to remain in control or be compensated for the transfer since they have been the main source of capital for improvements. The other problem is that the NCGA now controls who makes up the board, and could theoretically change the boards makeup to whomever they wantCharlotte Douglas Airporthttp://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/02/06/3835670/push-for-airport-authority-worries.htmlhttp://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/02/07/3837103/rucho-pushing-airport-authority.htmlAlso being transferred to a regional authority, under nearly the same circumstances.In typical fashion, Charlotteans are convinced its them dang lawmakers up in Raleigh trying to take something else from them (convinced its an attempt to make RDU a more important hub than CLT)Asheville Water supplyhttp://www.carolinapublicpress.org/9225/state-water-committee-to-asheville-find-a-local-solution-or-well-actOp-Ed - http://www.news-record.com/opinion/773640-94/op-ed-municipal-water-systems-inAsheville has been fighting it tooth and nail, attempting to slow the transfer in any way. A frustrated Rep Tim Moffitt (of anti-topless lady bill fame), the main sponsor of the bill posted this on his website:http://nchouse116.com/how-local-government-works/
3/15/2013 11:51:56 AM
Well, when it comes to the Asheville airport it makes some sense because it is in fact located in Henderson Co.
3/15/2013 12:10:55 PM
I thought it was on the line between Henderson and Buncombe, with a majority in Buncombe.doesn't really change the fact that Asheville has been the primary financier
3/15/2013 12:14:39 PM
Correct, but I believe the issue at hand is that they are now trying to annex additional land in Henderson Co. while there is pretty much no one speaking for the residents of Henderson Co.I couldn't care less, but it makes sense that as it continues to expand that the folks where it is located should have some control over how and where.
3/15/2013 12:17:54 PM
in order for the city (or current airport authority) to annex new land in Henderson county wouldn't it have to be approved by the Henderson Co. board?[Edited on March 15, 2013 at 12:30 PM. Reason : I know there are some urban/regional planners around here, help us out]
3/15/2013 12:29:54 PM
It doesn't sound like it. Kelo vs. City of New London SCOTUS decision set some god awful precedent around how and why land can be acquired for "public use".
3/15/2013 12:36:27 PM
^^^My dad has been on several airport boards over the years. Many of these airports originally were started by local towns, but were often times located outside of said towns borders and operated solely by the city. Therefore decisions made by that town were affecting people in the surrounding towns/county that had no voice on what was happening in their backyard and had no way to elect officials to speak for them. A lot of them have already been forced to change over the years, but some like Charlotte and Asheville have remained solely under the purview of the town.Airport boards that encompass voices from all of the surrounding area are a good idea. There is no reason that the citizens of Asheville should have the only say in what happens to the airport neighbors in Henderson County. That is stupid. Let me guess though, this is sponsored by a Republican legislature, so you were automatically against it, right?[Edited on March 15, 2013 at 12:40 PM. Reason : ]
3/15/2013 12:40:02 PM
actually I was against it because the legislature has removed some of Asheville's say in the authority, even though the city has pretty much been the only entity to provide any capital for improvement of the facility. They did so with no compensation to the city.The reality is I could care less about the airports, however, their seizure set the precedent for the seizure of Asheville's water/sewer system, which IMO is a much bigger deal. Basically, Asheville will be forced to subsidize Henderson Co. water use just because the NCGA said so. and obviously the crux of my concern is the possible privatization motivations by the NCGA[Edited on March 15, 2013 at 1:02 PM. Reason : google maps is showing Asheville Regional mostly in Buncombe county]
3/15/2013 12:58:15 PM
Well sure, if you don't consider land to be capital. Do you think that if I pony up the cash to build the house that I should be able to plop it down in your back yard?I don't think anyone in Henderson Co. is anti-airport, rather I think they probably want some input in how it expands. It literally can't expand towards Buncombe co. because of the interstate that it sits right next to, it has to expand even more into Henderson co.Again, I don't live there anymore nor do I really care, but if you're going to annex land in another county they ought to have some say in where.
3/15/2013 1:03:13 PM
^like with the Henderson Co. Board of Commissioners?[Edited on March 15, 2013 at 1:09 PM. Reason : asheville paid for a majority of the land as well]
3/15/2013 1:08:21 PM
Right, who they currently don't have to consult because of eminent domain laws. Under this new proposal it looks like there would be 3 people from henderson co. on the board as opposed to no representation now.Hmm, interesting, just looked at some maps and it appears that the airport is basically surrounded on 3 sides by Henderson co. I guess that's why I thought it was mostly in henderson as opposed to Buncombe. [Edited on March 15, 2013 at 1:18 PM. Reason : sdfsdf]
3/15/2013 1:10:01 PM
so Henderson Co. will get just as much say in other airport issues, even though they didn't help to finance it? Still seems like a raw deal. A simpler solution is Henderson Co. saying no eminent domain projects can be completed without the County Boards approval.But like I said, the airports are just precedents for the water utilities, which is what I'd rather this thread focus on.
3/15/2013 1:24:53 PM
I agree, that would be simpler, but that's not the way the law works. Blame the supreme court for that awful Kelo decision.I completely understand independent airport authorities, they make sense. I will agree with you that I see very little reason to take away municipal authority from municipal water systems.[Edited on March 15, 2013 at 2:12 PM. Reason : sdfsdf]
3/15/2013 2:06:13 PM
http://www.wral.com/state-cities-battle-for-power/12228208/I think the renegotiation of the Dix property sucks, but somewhat understandable. Again, the Asheville water/sewer issue is by far the most egregious, but this article highlights a general theme between the NCGA and NC towns and cities.
3/17/2013 2:32:46 AM
Why so opaque?http://www.foxcharlotte.com/news/local/Sen-Rucho-Refuses-Transparency-On-Airport-Takeover-195779681.html
3/19/2013 9:16:28 AM
"Guys, we swear these dudes are real and its not at all just an idea from a national group. Pinkie swear!"
3/19/2013 10:50:31 AM
3/19/2013 12:48:10 PM
You know if it was Obama or a democrat doing this, there would be comparisons to Chavez.
3/19/2013 6:19:12 PM
Jim Goodman, NC businessman and a member of the Dix Visionaries rips the senate appropriations committee of the NCGA a new one over reneging on the Dix leasehttp://blog.wataugawatch.net/2013/03/this-is-not-honorable.html
3/25/2013 9:11:52 AM
Looks like the CLT fiasco has lead to some pretty significant legal questionshttp://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/blog/queen_city_agenda/2013/03/clt-authority-fight-shifts-to-dueling.htmlalso, NC Towns and Cities are worried that the CLT and Dix situations are going to lead to higher borrowing costs for them.[Edited on March 28, 2013 at 4:37 PM. Reason : moffitt just introduced a bill to merge Asheville parks with Buncombe county parks too]
3/28/2013 4:22:37 PM
seems like there is a similar article to this one about every week in the N&Ohttp://www.newsobserver.com/2013/03/30/2790796/new-nc-legislature-targets-arrogant.htmlthe movement against cities in this GA is more far reaching than just the examples in the OP. The uncertainty its creating should have a chilling effect on anyone that does business in a NC town or city.In P3 news, Moffitt and company continue to claim its not a motivation for these bills. After They just arrived back from a P3 convention in Turkey.http://www.partnershipsbulletin.com/conferences/view/8http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&ei=DgpWUZGQJImA0AHitYCgBQ&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3DAhmet%2B%25C3%2596ks%25C3%25BCzkaya%2BMoffitt%26num%3D100%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26gl%3Dus&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=tr&u=http://www.bugun.com.tr/son-dakika/milletvekili-ahmet-oksuzkaya-amerikali-milletvekilleri-kabul-etti-haberi-120499&usg=ALkJrhhAC5J1DjpfGk7oDvmZ1kRM6XbzdA
3/31/2013 10:10:29 AM
HB488 (asheville water seizure) was supposed to be on the agenda today, haven't heard what happened though. Interestingly, Asheville is not mentioned in the bill, instead it targets:
4/10/2013 6:58:41 PM
4/10/2013 7:46:15 PM
Yea I never said the guy was an expert chemist or env. scientist.But the Henderson Co. groundwater situation is an interesting motivation I haven't really investigated. My gut tells me it's nothing and totally unrelated. But who can really know when none of the bill sponsors can give us a solid explanation of why the bill is needed.
4/10/2013 8:32:17 PM
"House votes to take Asheville's water system"http://www.wral.com/house-votes-to-take-asheville-s-water-system-/12332379/
4/11/2013 8:25:26 PM
There goes the neighborhood city
4/12/2013 8:49:31 AM
Another person in the know, stands up and says: "wait a minute, I'm not sure this is legal" in regards to the Charlotte Airport deal:http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/04/17/3988176/state-treasurer-warns-against.html
4/18/2013 11:54:51 AM
The whole "Asheville vs Moffitt/McGrady" is just turning into a blatant dick measuring contest.It'd be funny if it wasn't so childish and didn't royally screw the citizens of Asheville:http://www.citizen-times.com/article/20130419/NEWS/304190009/Bill-would-remove-airport-from-Asheville
4/19/2013 10:17:30 AM
More Charlotte Airport news:http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/04/21/3994154/emotions-high-over-airport-authority.htmlCharlotte considered withdrawing their support of major road improvements that reach out to surrounding counties (counties they think are betraying them)http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/04/22/3997889/in-heated-meeting-city-council.htmlAt a City Council meeting representatives from the Airport advisory board refuse to answer questions about who started the lobbying, etc. Apparently it got pretty heated.quote of the day:
4/23/2013 10:32:16 AM
Here's a potentially entertaining wrinkle: apparently Charlotte Mayor Anthony Foxx has just been nominated by the White House to be the next Secretary of Transportation.
4/29/2013 12:04:01 PM
^^Update: Dorsch just got canned by the city council after that debacle.The Council, with the approval of a supermajority of the current Airport advisory board (5-2 or 5-3, depending how you count), unanimously dismissed him from their service today, because he did not serve faithfully. Instead, he called commissioners in other counties, selling the Authority idea, and passed on their needs to the lawmakers backing the bill, thus acting as a lobbyist in its favor. All the while deceiving Charlotte's council, to whom he reported.
4/29/2013 12:32:55 PM
^^to be honest, I think he is going to leave this chapter behind him, and quickly. Can't say that I blame him. The Obama administration doesn't want to get into any tiny local pissing matches, I'm sure they will instruct him to just leave it alone.^'bout time. They shoulda canned him the day that they met with him.*****As if on cue, the metropolitan sewer district, the authority that will eventually take over Asheville's water, just had a sewer overflow that spilled millions of gallons of untreated sewage into the French Broad River. These are the people that are supposed to manage the water/sewer better than the city can. wow.http://www.citizen-times.com/article/20130501/NEWS/305010057/Raw-sewage-gushes-into-French-Broad-River?nclick_check=1
5/1/2013 9:27:41 AM
I think the Asheville water bill will become law early next week unless Pat! vetoes it. He hasn't shown a spine yet, so I don't think anyone is holding their breath. That basically leaves Asheville with its last option - the courts.http://www.citizen-times.com/article/20130508/NEWS/305080030/Asheville-will-sue-over-water-merger-bill[Edited on May 8, 2013 at 12:24 PM. Reason : seems like they have a pretty good legal footing for a case as well according to the article]
5/8/2013 12:23:20 PM
Pat! has refused to sign or veto the bill, which means it will become law sometime next week. His reasoning? He wants to "see what happens in the courts."The guy is fucking spineless. He is so afraid he is going to offend some slack jawed state reps. It's basically telling me we can't expect him to question any of the shit bills that are working their way through the GA.
5/9/2013 8:55:56 AM
^ amen
5/9/2013 10:34:46 AM
The whole Brawley/Tillis spat has overall been pretty stupid and boring, but in Brawley's now infamous resignation letter he acknowledges that the GA has knowingly been stomping all over Asheville and Buncombe County and that the GA leadership recognizes that they were locally directed bills, which aren't allowed. (Brawley was pissed his locally directed bill wasn't allowed out of committee).
5/24/2013 11:59:28 AM
nm[Edited on May 24, 2013 at 1:54 PM. Reason : misread ]
5/24/2013 1:53:18 PM
Behaving like children . . . . . .againhttp://www.mountainx.com/article/51854/Rep.-Moffitt-We-stopped-Asheville-from-joining-rec-authority-in-retaliation-for-water-lawsuit
8/12/2013 6:33:52 PM
so, this isn't really important, but why did you feel the need to put "NC" after every city in that list of cities in the OP? Wasn't that kind of assumed by talking about the NCGA?[/troll]
8/12/2013 10:44:33 PM
Copy and paste, b.
8/13/2013 7:36:16 AM
And now the NCGA just blew a hole in most NC cities' budgets by restricting their ability to charge business taxes. Across the state it adds up to $60 millionish.They just can't stop meddling in the primary economic engines of this state. If it ain't broke, don't "fix" it.
5/30/2014 11:04:05 AM
I didn't realize that business taxes were the primary economic engines of the state. Not saying I agree with what they did, but it's a bit ironic for a liberal to complain that anyone is messing with how economies work...]
5/31/2014 4:33:41 PM
Uh, wat
5/31/2014 5:15:05 PM
May not have been clear:Business taxes aren't the economic engines, CITIES and towns are the engines of our state, currently. Its why NC cities are constantly being ranked as some of the fastest growing (in both population and wealth) in the country. Contrast that with the rural counties in our state, the vast majority of which are losing population.And some may not agree with the balance many of the cities are achieving between public goods and private investment, but the proof is in the growth. Right now people WANT to live here, and a lot of these people, whom can choose where they want to live, demand certain things from their cities like decent schools, green space, certain zoning laws, and fun cultural shit. Providing that takes taxes - why not allow local control and allow cities to decide the best way for them to raise revenues and then what to spend that on? Haven't really heard a convincing argument against it.So now we have this general trend of anti-city sentiment in the NCGA with no explanation except maybe vindictiveness or perhaps because ALEC said so. Its so shortsighted, and if they continue it will backfire and sink the little growth that our state has been able to achieve.[Edited on June 1, 2014 at 1:08 PM. Reason : also I think $60 mil number I mentioned is wrong, more like $20-30 mil??? Still a lot]
6/1/2014 1:06:44 PM
Local governments are always the most petty and dangerous. Anything that limits the scourge of municipalities and constrains them to their role as a provider of basic services is welcome.
6/3/2014 12:58:01 AM
http://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/local/2016/05/17/nc-supreme-court-hears-asheville-water-case/84461988/3 years later, we at the NC Supreme Court. NCGA is still as anti-city as ever though
5/19/2016 8:26:32 AM
Another edict from on-high soon to enter debate (or just get rolled into a larger bill with no debate), dabbling in local issues again. It is definitely a trend now, that if a developer can't drop their cookie cutter build wherever and however the fuck they want, they can go whine to the local GOP house member who will dutifully redraw borders, nix environmental laws, or drop building codes to meet their needs.http://www.coastalreview.org/2016/06/14664/
6/3/2016 7:33:05 AM
http://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/local/2016/07/02/ethics-concerns-sank-asheville-council-districts-bill/86624036/Well god damn, I'm amazed.
7/3/2016 9:59:17 AM
http://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/local/2016/12/21/asheville-keeps-control-water-system-court-rules/95702990/NCGOP LOSES IN COURT AGAIN. PLZ JUST FUCK OFF AND LEAVE CITIES ALONE.
12/21/2016 4:50:11 PM