We need a separate thread that is maintained strictly for Chops.This thread is not to be mean, hostile, vindicative, etc. It's not meant to piss off present or future athletes. In High School when i played sports, if "chops" were a thing back then it would have been awesome. You never want to get a chop, but if you do it's a good way to laugh off a bonehead play. You're like "oh fuck, i just made a terrible play i better make up for that or when i get home tonight and check the internet I'll have a chop.Maybe if Harrow had seen he didn't have any chops last season he wouldn't have transferred because he'd realize that even though there are some idiots on messageboards there are also people who loved him and would have defended him from taking unwarranted chops.We may have to re-define the ground rules as we go but the #1 rule is that the integrity of the chop must be maintained at all costs. No chops issued until the next day when there has been ample time to reflect on the magnitude of the boneheaded play. Slavefamous has already shown a lot of interest in the chops program and he has great knowledge and perspective so he will take on a leadership role on the guidance of the chops program.Some things we need to hash out quickly:1) Redemptive chops? I for one love the idea that you can redeem a chop. For example, after airballing a layup Richard Howell knew he'd be issued a chop. He didn't go hide in a dark apartment at Wolf Creek with a bowl of raisin bran though, he fucking owned his chop. He gets on Twitter inc and apologizes for having a bad game. If that doesn't earn at least a quarter chop back I don't know what would. That's the thing, in order for chops to be effective we need guys to be accountable and want to earn their chops back. It's saying something about Howell that he wants to earn that chop back. Now CJ Leslie getting suspended for three games? That could have been a chop. Definitely a chop had we lost to a shitty team while he was out. Instead, he comes back with a good attitude and he's willing to come off the bench until he gets settled in. That's chop redemption, period.2) Wear the chop. You get a chop fucking wear it. Don't slink off like a little bitch and put up an emo status on facebook about it. We'll call this the Ryan Harrow corollary. If you whine excessively about being issued a chop, you will get another chop for your behavior. Chops are cumulative.Alright, there's more rules but a bucket of chicken just got here for lunch. I'll be back later. Official Chop Count:Richard Howell. Nothing personal, love the guy. Great rebounder and potential to be a stud this year. But he is the first recipient of a chop for the season. He's already taken steps to remove the chop from his posting on Twitter Inc today, with a good game vs Stanford that chop can be wiped away completely I think.Richard Howell: 1 chop (airballing a layup on a breakaway).
12/1/2011 12:31:35 PM
suspend!
12/1/2011 12:32:12 PM
this is a new level of pathetic
12/1/2011 12:32:17 PM
I support this thread.
12/1/2011 12:33:38 PM
Does anyone actually read face's 1500 word shitfests?
12/1/2011 12:36:54 PM
You're ruining a good thing.[Edited on December 1, 2011 at 12:37 PM. Reason : OP]
12/1/2011 12:37:27 PM
I appreciate your endorsement and will do my part to ensure the program runs smoothly, as well as dealing with the inevitable backlash from those who don't posses the faculties to comprehend it. Like any new venture, there's going to be bumps along the road, and we'll deal with those as they come, but long term, I'm very optimistic that this can be the start of something great, a fool proof system to track the individual fuck ups that may not appear in the box score, but contribute greatly to the outcome of the games. Think if the chop system as the antithesis of a Heather Dinich blog.Futhermore, no single user will henceforth have the ability to issue a chop. It will need a minimum of a 2/3 majority vote from the advisory council, and it will preferably be unanimous. Howell's virgin chop will be grandfathered in, as there was no concrete system in place at the time of the alleged offense. A Chop panel consisting of at least three (3) but no more than five (5) individuals will convene after each game and determine who, if anyone, deserves a chop for their most recent performance. Other users should feel free to chime in, but generic usernames containing any combination of red, wolf, pack, state or a unity id will be ignored, because if they can't come up with an original handle, their input on other matters will probably be stale and recycled as well.Lastly, I'd like to propose a trial period thru the nonconference games with a "reset" of sorts for conference play, since we'll undoubtedly be tweaking the system during that timeframe, plus games against Campbell and East Buttfuck State aren't an accurate measuring stick for what this system is supposed to represent. Both season long and conference-only chops will be tallied at the end of year, and rewards and demerits will be assigned accordingly.I'm very excited about this announcement and I encourage everyone to participate, because quite frankly the current system of nonsensical tirades after every loss isn't working. We need a clear concise system to assign blame to folks who deserve it, and I think you'll be surprised how beneficial chops will be.
12/1/2011 12:49:30 PM
I fully expect the sales message to be posted in here soon.
12/1/2011 1:07:46 PM
we kinda did stuff like this, im sure we all have in athletics under various names and sorts of "punishment" but this is a stupid way to point out mistakes made during competition because we arent going to actually do anything to the athletes because we arent in that circlejust saying this is kind of pointless, put your critiques in the established threads and move along
12/1/2011 1:10:19 PM
12/1/2011 1:11:17 PM
I'm all over this.
12/1/2011 1:15:09 PM
I wish ____ would just shut up
12/1/2011 1:17:42 PM
this is already my favorite thread of all-time
12/1/2011 1:22:40 PM
What the hell is this chop shit?Who in the hell cares about this chop shit?Are the credibility threads not good enough?Does the OP really think the players are going to read this shit and care?
12/1/2011 1:25:32 PM
^lucky tdub users can't get chops
12/1/2011 1:29:58 PM
I thought this thread was about chopping wood. Herb is PISSED.
12/1/2011 1:32:10 PM
12/1/2011 1:35:41 PM
I thought saying"That guy has got some chops"was a positive thing. So poor athletic performance translates to good guitar playing.
12/1/2011 2:06:07 PM
the athletes don't have to care about receiving a chop, but i know if i was an athlete I damn sure wouldn't want to receive a chop and have to walk amongst the student body the next day with everyone knowing i was issued a chop and didn't even care.Again, the chop isn't saying "i hate you" the chop is saying, look you made a bad play. It was issued a chop. Your buddies can laugh, you can laugh it off, and now you move on. A chop actually relieves a lot of pressure because instead of people grumbling about how you suck for random reasons it lays out nicely exactly what you did to receive the chop. Next play.Also, Slave i like all the rules listed above as well. Even resetting chops at conference play is a good idea while we get things sorted out.Think about this guys... instead of having 30 threads where people whine about various things you check ONE thread, see who got the chops, and now you're caught up to speed.I HIGHLY doubt once this Chop program catches on that the athletes/students/media won't be following this thread. Don't be a hater just because you didn't think of the idea first.
12/1/2011 2:06:51 PM
So you think the players/school/fans/media/etc are going to start this shit because some pimple-faced anonymous fool on the Internet started chopping players?
12/1/2011 2:10:22 PM
Relax, man. Relax.
12/1/2011 2:14:17 PM
12/1/2011 2:15:44 PM
hey now, you all just need to settledown. I bet the student athletes would love a chance to save face from this chop thread. don't be a jealous girlfriend, thegoodlife3.
12/1/2011 2:17:36 PM
I'm not pimplefaced I'm almost a 30 year old man for god's sake.And Rwoody is right you are damn lucky that message board users can't be issued a chop or you'd be cruising for your 2nd one right about now.
12/1/2011 2:18:24 PM
ohh, two chops. how does that convert to internet cool guy points, because i have over 9,000.
12/1/2011 2:19:45 PM
I think folks are looking at this the wrong way. This isn’t some ill-fated plea to get more attention, nor an attempt to revolutionize long accepted metrics, such as the ESPN’s QBR disaster. It’s merely a system of accountability, similar to the kangaroo courts so prevalent in professional locker rooms, or even analogous with the “Officially Called Out” meme of recent TWW lore. We’re not trying to shit on these players or make them feel bad. We’re trying to motivate them, as getting chopped is the ultimate form of emasculation, and the idea is that they will do everything in their power to avoid getting chopped again. Everyone will get chopped at least once this year, probably several times. That’s just the way the system works. We have no superstars on this team, and even our best player is prone to bouts of fleeting retardation. So embrace the chop. Don’t cry about it like a misanthropic twelve year old girl ovulating for the first time. Come March, you’ll be thanking us, and wondering why someone didn’t implement this sooner.
12/1/2011 2:22:57 PM
all in favor of face personally visiting howell and addressing this air ball layup to his face.... say aye.
12/1/2011 2:26:59 PM
so a few weeks back in another thread I mentioned how I wish there were a seprate sports talk for people who don't suck. I think we now have entry criteria. How you feel about this thread determines which side of the suck/dont suck divide you fall upon.
12/1/2011 2:28:12 PM
Howell's my favorite player on the team so it probably hurts me more than it does him to have to issue him the first chop in NC State history. Given the opportunity, I'd love to meet him. At the same time I'd have no qualms explaining why he received the chop. And given that he seems like a reasonable man, I think he'd own the chop. After all, The 2nd rule of receiving a chop is to wear it.
12/1/2011 2:29:19 PM
face was calling for mark gottfrieds head last night.... search for his post where he says "same ncstate shit, see you in 5 years"i vote to let this thread grow so we can all have really big lolz in feb and march.CJWilliams: he played the worst defense of his life ever. and then he bricked a dunk. he also gave up a huge three in the princeton game (and got his bailed out by painters jumper) Richard Howell: 1 chop (airballing a layup on a breakaway). CJ Williams. 1 chop (Horrible defense played for several games. A bricked dunk during crucial moments in the Indiana game)[Edited on December 1, 2011 at 2:37 PM. Reason : ,]
12/1/2011 2:31:51 PM
I'd like to propose to the panel a chop to a player, CJ Williams, for the following offenses:1. Missed one-handed dunk2. Called for a shooting foul on a player 15+ feet from the basket that made the shot3. Burnt badly on a filthy crossover that resulted in a wide open 2-handed slam
12/1/2011 2:34:41 PM
As previously stated, anything said during the game or in the immediate aftermath shouldn't be taken at face value, as emotions run high and things are said that aren't really meant. The beauty of chops is that it cuts thru that veil of emotionally charged rage and gets right to the crux of the matter, which is essentially who fucked up, and why.
12/1/2011 2:34:48 PM
^^^ i definitely did not say that. I've been one of Gottfried's biggest supporters since Day 1 and haven't said a single negative thing about him yet.I wasn't even in the game thread I was at a bar drinking with friends like a normal person.If it didn't de-value the integrity of the chop you'd get one too for making up random shit about me and just generally annoying everyone.[Edited on December 1, 2011 at 2:35 PM. Reason : a]
12/1/2011 2:35:29 PM
FørteAll American15389 Postsuser infoedit post same ol nc state, nothing has changed, see you in 5 years11/30/2011 9:23:58 PMsorry bro^ i thought this was you face != Fortemy bad nigerian.[Edited on December 1, 2011 at 2:42 PM. Reason : ,]
12/1/2011 2:38:22 PM
12/1/2011 2:41:35 PM
CJW definitely had a tough game last night and got exposed a few times on defense. The dunk was not a choppable offense as that would have been a pretty sick dunk it wasn't routine or easy to convert.A chop needs to be a MEMORABLE play. Something like CJ Leslie throwing that pass off the backboard last year vs Wisconsin. Or when Cameron Bennerman took a game winning shot against Miami that hit the back of the backboard. Or as hey now suggested when Scott Wood wore a wife beater during warm ups vs Elon. Greg Paulus first day on campus he showed up in jean shorts and timberlands. That would be a chop every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
12/1/2011 2:41:45 PM
haha. I like this thread.
12/1/2011 2:47:49 PM
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12/1/2011 2:51:28 PM
12/1/2011 2:51:58 PM
12/1/2011 2:52:19 PM
This is a good thread, all those not in favor make me weep for how shitty Sports Talk is. "Hey let's consolidate EVERYTHING to six threads! Efficiency!"
12/1/2011 3:06:13 PM
^^can somebody suspend that faggot and ghost edit his posts?[Edited on December 1, 2011 at 3:07 PM. Reason : a]
12/1/2011 3:07:14 PM
Wow congratulations. Even once this thread reaches 500 pages in 2027 and people are still talking about issuing chops people will be subjected to that stupid ass triple post. Why are there so many losers on this message board?Also if someone can embed that chop video that might help other people figure out exactly what a chop is.My buddy issued a chop in a bar the other night. The guy who received the chop was really excited and was like "what's a chop??!?!" when my buddy told him it's what you give someone who does something really fucking stupid that guy looked so sad i almost felt bad for him. Almost. At the same time, it was a stellar way to inform the guy he was acting stupid.[Edited on December 1, 2011 at 3:17 PM. Reason : a]
12/1/2011 3:14:23 PM
Such a Tommy move by me to post this
12/1/2011 3:19:07 PM
12/1/2011 3:29:10 PM
LOL, who thinks he will?
12/1/2011 3:31:06 PM
I have no idea what this chop shit is, but I think wdprice3 deserves one for being a dumb cuntOr he doesn't deserve oneWhichever is bad
12/1/2011 3:31:30 PM
face does apparently. haha, I'm dumb because face thinks giving players chops actually matters?[Edited on December 1, 2011 at 3:32 PM. Reason : .]
12/1/2011 3:31:31 PM
You're dumb if you're taking this thread completely seriously.
12/1/2011 3:33:02 PM
^edit that post. Let him keep arguing
12/1/2011 3:35:59 PM