and watch this



Mods you can delete the other one. I'd rather it not get derailed.

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11/6/2011 9:15:56 AM

tl;dr

11/6/2011 9:21:45 AM

tl;dw

11/6/2011 11:06:43 AM

Krallum kicking the trolling into high gear

11/6/2011 11:22:32 AM

I know that I generally troll and post nonsense on this website but this is something that was inceredibly disturbing to me. If you want to post whatever please don't do so in this thread. Hundreds of thousands of people have died as a result of the actions of people in this documentary. So if you want to tl;dr dw this or whatever feel free.

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11/6/2011 12:07:42 PM

nobody believes you for even a second.

You've never made a single worthwhile post, and there's no way anyone would waste an hour and a half "just in case" you decided to be genuine this once.

11/6/2011 12:12:03 PM

Well that's fine. Its on netflix instant queue I believe if anyone is interested.

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11/6/2011 12:44:24 PM

how bout a summary?

11/6/2011 1:46:59 PM

watch the first 5 minutes. Its basically about the FDA blocking a cancer treatment

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11/6/2011 2:06:55 PM

I'm on your side krallum. Excellent post.

11/6/2011 2:16:46 PM

^

11/6/2011 2:33:58 PM

I'm 34 minutes in and I'm sick to my stomach.


There's going to be a civil war/complete uprising in this country. I can feel it. OWS is only the beginning.

11/6/2011 2:49:54 PM

Quote :

"Antineoplaston (ANP), a word derived from neoplasm,[1] is a name coined by Stanislaw Burzynski for a group of peptides, derivatives, and mixtures that he uses as an alternative cancer treatment.[2] These compounds are not licensed as drugs but are instead sold and administered by Burzynski as part of clinical trials that he runs at his own establishments, the Burzynski Clinic and the Burzynski Research Institute in Houston, Texas.[3][4][5] The clinical efficacy of antineoplastons combinations for various diseases have been the subject of many such trials by Burzynski and his associates, but these have not produced any clear evidence of efficacy. Oncologists have described these studies as flawed, with one doctor stating that they are "scientific nonsense".[6] In particular, independent scientists have been unable to reproduce the positive results reported in Burzynski's studies.[7] There is no convincing evidence from randomized controlled trials in the scientific literature that antineoplastons are useful treatments of cancer and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has not approved these products for the treatment of any disease.[3] The American Cancer Society has stated that there is no evidence that these products have any beneficial effects in cancer and have recommended that people do not buy these products.[8] A 2004 medical review described this treatment as a "disproven therapy".[9] "

11/6/2011 3:38:13 PM

Everything after the first 30 minutes of this film has sources. Check the statements from the FDA for yourself

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11/6/2011 3:56:30 PM

this was double posted from chit chat

And the entire thing is a conspiracy theory. Say what you want about the actions of the FDA and the tyranny of the Federal government. I have no intention of defending them. Sick people, or any one for that matter, should be allowed to take Antineoplastons by the bucket-loads.

That said, if you think these Antineoplastons are the cancer killing miracle represented in the video, you are gullible.

11/6/2011 4:15:04 PM

^seriously? denial is a bitch.

11/6/2011 4:20:52 PM

You're going to argue for the drug, based on the claims from the movie, and you're going to be wrong.

Here's one blog post about it:

http://web.archive.org/web/20110705022245/http://www.labspaces.net/view_blog.php?blogID=304&

Which has been taken down due to legal threats from the Burzynski Clinic. Now who is suing who??? We all love our stories of a doctor going against the establishment because he's discovered the secret that Big Pharma doesn't want you to know. How is the Burzynski Clinic doing these days?



Very well for itself apparently. There's plenty of money in this issue, money from suckering people like you.

11/6/2011 4:28:30 PM

from what i've heard previously, and presented in this video, this medication has never been given a fair chance/trial/study outside of Dr. Burzynski's office. The FDA and associated trials were deliberately botched via not following establish protocols and reducing/diluting the medication.

11/6/2011 4:29:01 PM

Hey, if you want to guzzle piss for a $100,000 a year, then be my guest.

11/6/2011 4:35:16 PM

I thought the story was that Federally funded researchers obtained like a dozen different patents that overlapped with his work.

If they didn't give it a fair chance in studies, then they did pretty well patenting this drug that their own research should have said was ineffective. But I guess we'll just have it both ways. It feels better like that.

11/6/2011 4:36:19 PM

^^^ Exactly. All of this is documented AND the conversations between the FDA and Burzynski are documented.

Obviously the movie gives only the best statistics but case in point

1) It works better than chemo. Chemo kills you...
2) The ONLY side effect is that you have to drink more water.

^Why would the fed submit patent after patent if they knew that it didn't work at all?

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11/6/2011 4:38:40 PM

eat right
cure cancer

profit.

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11/6/2011 4:41:26 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF5Z6P4pmtw&feature=youtu.be

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12/14/2011 9:47:15 AM

What Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski doesn't want you to know about antineoplastons
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/12/what_dr_stanislaw_burzynski_doesnt_want.php

Quote :

"What Burzynski is really doing It appears that during his urine and blood purification process so many decades ago, Burzynski stumbled on known compounds, PA and PAG, and has been using them to treat all sorts of cancers at extremely high doses based on weak evidence of clinical efficacy (probably brain tumours are the only real indication where it might be useful). Despite the persistent lack of evidence that these compounds have significant anticancer activity in humans, he continues to use and promote them at his clinic, charging patients through the nose to join his clinical trials rather than joining in a wider research effort test the drug in the right way. Indeed, the Burzynski website is still putting out this line: "Antineoplastons (ANP) are peptides and amino acid derivatives, discovered by Dr. S. Burzynski, M.D., Ph.D. in 1967." As the literature shows, however, what is probably one active metabolite (phenylacetate) was already being researched in the 1950s, and the other probable active metabolite, phenylacetylglutamine, was investigated in the urine of cancer patients in 1958. Burzynski didn't "discover" these two chemicals. All he did was to purify them from urine, then throw them them at patients in extremely high doses. This he did for decades until, sometime in the last several years, he apparently discovered that these chemicals are metabolites of sodium phenylbutyrate; so he switched to that. Then, like the "brave maverick doctor" that he thinks himself to be, he decided that the way to sell his antineoplastons and phenylbutyrate was to "rebrand" them as part of his "personalized gene-targeted cancer therapy." What cancer patients considering going to the Burzynski Clinic need to know is that antineoplastons (or to give them their correct name, phenylbutyrate) appear to be no better than many experimental therapies at a very early stage of development. There is phase I data that has produced toxicity data and an MTD. However, there is no convincing evidence of efficacy, except maybe in certain brain tumors. Indeed, it is quite possible, based on the case report and phase I trial testing phenylbutyrate in patients with glioma, that Dr. Burzynski's therapy does, almost quite by accident, produce the occasional complete response. The problem is that we have no idea if this is any better or worse than anyone else's results because Dr. Burzynski doesn't do the necessary phase III trials to find out, even though he has well over 60 phase I/II trials listed at PubMed over the last 15 or 20 years. Be that as it may, Dr. Burzynski's antineoplastons are not "natural, non-toxic compounds that cure cancer." They are drugs, plain and simple. Worse, they are drugs of unknown efficacy. Nor is Dr. Burzynski doing anything unique or in any way superior to what cancer researchers elsewhere do, his claims otherwise notwithstanding. In fact, what Dr. Burzynski does and how he does it are a pale shadow, a parody, of what real cancer research centers do. He does "personalized therapy" so badly that it's a joke, and he uses an orphan drug off-label in combination with other off-label chemotherapy drugs and targeted therapy while selling his combination as some sort of radical breakthrough in cancer therapy. Meanwhile, the alt-med underground promotes Dr. Burzynski as "the man who cures the most intractable cancers" naturally. He's not. He's being represented to desperate patients with incurable cancers as their "last hope," worth any price to reach. After all, what price would you pay for your last chance at survival or that of a loved one? Of your child? To what lengths would you go to get to the man who, you are told, is the only man in the world who can save your life? Unfortunately, it's not even clear to me that Dr. Burzynski's cured a single cancer. In fact, Skeptical Humanities has been tallying publicly available cases of patients who went to Burzynski and did not survive. It's a depressing read, and these are stories we don't see, even from much of the mainstream press. In the process, the harm he is doing is incalculable as he tarnishes the reputation of a perfectly fine experimental anticancer drug (phenylbutyrate) and the very concept of "personalized cancer therapy" with the stench of quackery. Certainly, it doesn't help that of late he's branched out into dubious anti-aging remedies, forming a new division of his clinic called AminoCare. Unfortunately, what we have here is a case of crank magnetism, and the people who pay the price are the desperate patients enticed to spend tens of thousands of dollars for a combination of chemotherapy, thrown-together targeted therapies, and an orphan drug sold as something unique and brilliant. "

[Edited on December 14, 2011 at 10:45 AM. Reason : the bottom line]

12/14/2011 10:29:30 AM