So what are you all doing to help others not have to depend on government? I keep hearing that charity is an individual responsibility that no one should force on anyone, so I assume you're practicing your belief and empowering people not to depend on the government by volunteering, donating to charities, etc, right?Just want to know where I might be able to help you out with my vast resources and compassion.
9/14/2011 11:59:44 AM
Did you get all your money spitting your hot raps and hip hop beats?
9/14/2011 12:17:17 PM
Give up all of your possessions to the poor, I always say.
9/14/2011 12:39:58 PM
http://givingaid.richarddawkins.net/https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/donate/
9/14/2011 1:04:59 PM
Where my cheddar comes from don't matter.^Are you conflating libertarians with atheists?
9/14/2011 1:23:39 PM
http://www.kiva.org/
9/14/2011 2:01:47 PM
The government shouldn't help anyone.The people shouldn't be forced to help anyone either.Let the people help themselves.
9/14/2011 2:18:32 PM
Is Kiva better than MicroPlace? I've been using MicroPlace for a long time.
9/14/2011 3:01:27 PM
http://www.childsplaycharity.org/
9/14/2011 4:05:16 PM
http://www.helpinghorse.org/2009/http://www.shepherds-table.org/http://www.goodwill.org/
9/14/2011 4:13:10 PM
I would be charitable if it wasn't already being taken from me.[Edited on September 14, 2011 at 10:19 PM. Reason : I'll give clothes and baby supplies and stuff to shelters, but I don't give away money.]
9/14/2011 10:18:18 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/11/07/rand-paul-not-perfect-neighbor-says-community-developer/841622001/Rand Paul apparently doesn't respect the contracts he signs and puts his own property rights above his neighbors
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9/25/2019 1:16:00 PM
These guys really want to bang teenagers.
9/25/2019 3:12:18 PM
https://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=648370
9/25/2019 3:30:09 PM
Very interested to hear how our resident libertarians would handle this crisis.
4/1/2020 12:36:01 AM
Ron Paul pivoted from calling it the flu to calling for the Fed to be abolished. So... pretty much like any other day.
4/1/2020 8:09:02 AM
4/1/2020 12:16:56 PM
The CDC fucked up on its initial testing and the FDA needs to be better in a whole host of areas that extend well beyond COVID-19. These are true enough and I don't even wanna argue about them.I just want to point out that there is a flip side to the points ^ made.-Some of the tests China has been sending abroad are straight garbage:https://www.businessinsider.com/coroanvirus-holland-recalls-over-half-a-million-masks-imported-from-china-2020-3
4/1/2020 2:02:12 PM
^ We have fake trunk sales anyways, because someone knowingly selling fakes is already breaking the law by committing fraud. A second charge of "selling unapproved medical equipment" doesn't change that calculation at all: 25 years in prison for depraved indifference murder dwarfs the whatever month misdemeanor charge the FDA is going to throw at them. So, I'd say that stuff doesn't matter. What matters is whether educated buyers (American Medical Institutions) are allowed to buy unapproved things. And such institutions are more than capable of figuring out if they're buying fake merchandise. After-all, they figured out the tests they were using from China weren't working. Thankfully they can just start using someone else's tests that other medical professionals are getting good results out of. Imagine the horror when they figured out the only FDA approved test available for weeks was garbage and had to be sent back to the CDC [Edited on April 1, 2020 at 2:21 PM. Reason : .,.]
4/1/2020 2:17:09 PM
Good thing there's nothing else hospitals and scientists could be doing with the time and resources they spent determining the tests and masks were shit.
4/1/2020 2:22:05 PM
^^you assume that American Medical Institutions would still be governed by the Hippocratic Oath in a libertarian country and would still be seeking quality supplies. With the profit motive as their guide, and freed from the requirement of actually trying to make people healthier, why wouldn't they sell the cheapest shit they can for the highest price possible?
4/1/2020 2:40:45 PM
Also wondering how a libertarian society would contain the spread.
4/1/2020 2:47:55 PM
4/1/2020 11:05:24 PM
^ the risk comes from getting exposed to the virus in order to test the vaccine is a good one. It is likely they would have gotten the virus eventually anyways and therefore died anyways. If the vaccine turns out good, then they're be volunteering to save their own lives.
4/2/2020 12:56:35 AM
Libertarians are more delusional than Communists at this point.
4/2/2020 7:35:11 AM
Yeah the system that has lifted numerous third world countries out of poverty and imperialist slavery is certainly less delusional than the one than the one that says slavery is fine as long as it's "voluntary".
4/2/2020 10:59:57 AM
^^ In what way? Libertarians are saying "basically the system we have, just a little different". You can argue it'd be worse, but you can't argue it'd be dramatically so. Meanwhile, communists are calling for a system that has never existed, never mind "worked"
4/2/2020 3:29:25 PM
communism is an idealistic concept. it exists in different precursory forms across the world, but much like libertarianism, we will likely never see its complete realization. it is a philosophical framework to strive toward and all serious advocates acknowledge this.
4/2/2020 3:47:20 PM
^^Your logic doesn't stand. One can easily argue that a society currently operating with limited guardrails and protections would be much worse if they had fewer. There are baselines required for an amount to be effective at all. Its like saying you breathe 365 days a year, and that breathing one fewer isn't arguably worse. It is worse. It's really fucking worse.^Also can you point me to a list of these countries that have been fully lifted out of poverty due to communism?[Edited on April 2, 2020 at 3:55 PM. Reason : ^s]
4/2/2020 3:54:57 PM
^^ Going from 80% of society being privatized to 90% isn't nearly as big a transition as going to 20% (black marketeers and underground industry constituted a large portion of society even under the Soviets).
4/2/2020 3:56:44 PM
You made a claim, I simply refuted it on the basis that your claim is not as clear cut as you aimed to imply. Derisively deflecting casual criticism of your claims doesn't make you appear credible. If you believe your position is valid, then support it. If not, then just acknowledge what you said doesn't hold water, provide something you believe does make sense, and/or move on.
4/2/2020 4:04:59 PM
^ you didn't refute anything because we're both still talking in excruciatingly general terms. I said a small change in system wouldn't dramatically change the outcome. "Oh but it might" doesn't argue that it does. You are just further begging the question. I clearly don't think the outcome will be dramatically different, merely better. If you believe it will be dramatically worse, then explain why you think that, don't just say "nuh uh" then doubt my credibility. For example, if we were talking about a patient on assisted breathing, with a respirator, and I argued we need to take them off the machine for long enough to change rooms, then you coming in and pointing out "the patient will die after so many minutes without it!" would be a more than valid criticism, to which maybe I'll respond "No, the patient is capable of breathing without the machine, we just keep them on it as a precaution" to which you'll argue something-or-another. Maybe you're right, turning it off for a minute will kill them. Maybe I'm right they'll be just fine. Just saying "one can easily argue" without actually arguing is just wasting time.
4/2/2020 4:21:25 PM
4/2/2020 4:45:42 PM
^^you said something could not be argued, asserting a sense of certainty to your statement. I refuted your point that one could not argue a small change could make it drastically worse. You should take a lesson from ^ on how to restate your point and remain credible. It’s a sign of intellectual honesty.
4/2/2020 8:35:23 PM
^^ Sorry, when you think communism and successful you just mean one party state rule? Because China and Vietnam are not "economic communism", they're one-party governments with mostly capitalist economies. Cuba is far less capitalist than the others in your list, but even there much of the economic activity is private businesses. As for the USSR, it doesn't exist anymore. So, it sounds like your point is Communist countries have a great track record of achieving prosperity by dismantling their socialist economies and imposing a capitalist order.
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