XXXX Holland Road, Suite XXX
Virginia Beach, Virginia

July 8th, 2010

Mr. Eric XXXX XXXXX
XXX Dodge Street
Virginia Beach, Virginia XXXX


URGENT NOTICE:

THIS LETTER HEREBY NOTIFIES ERIC XXXXX XXXXX THAT HE HAS THIRTY (30) DAYS FROM DATE OF RECEIPT TO COMPLETE THE FOLLOWING ITEMS:

1. RETURN THE BALANCE OF $175.
2. RETURN 3/4TH BALANCE FOR BEER PURCHASED: $82.50
3. COMPLETE REFUND OF $2800 AND REMOVAL OF AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM FROM PROPERTY.

TOTAL: $3057.50

FAILURE TO PERFORM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE LEGAL ACTION FOR BREACH OF CONTRACT BY LAWFIRM XXXX & XXXXXX, LLC ON BEHALF OF XXX XXXXXX XXXXXX & XXXX



*XXXXX are not in the actual letter but are censored to protect the guilty

7/8/2010 5:24:15 PM

needs more caps

7/8/2010 5:25:30 PM

Needs more profanity

7/8/2010 5:26:17 PM

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"XXXXX are not in the actual letter but are censored to protect the guilty"

Oh really?... cause I was really confused there for a second.

And no.
It's not "legal"-sounding enough.

[Edited on July 8, 2010 at 5:26 PM. Reason : ]

7/8/2010 5:26:19 PM

ALL CAPS = PROFESSIONAL

7/8/2010 5:26:22 PM

Include some of these:

7/8/2010 5:26:40 PM

Can we get a story behind this?

7/8/2010 5:26:55 PM

make it so a vuvuzela plays while they read it

7/8/2010 5:27:16 PM

Insert



to show you mean business

7/8/2010 5:27:38 PM

You bought your HVAC guy booze? No wonder the fucking thing doesn't work.

7/8/2010 5:28:04 PM

why use caps? It just seems unprofessional to me. If you're in the right (as in he was under some flavor of contract/agreement) you've got no reason to be flustered. You get your money or you call in the lawyers, simple as that.

Maybe include something along the lines of "section 3 of the contract notes you are not allowed to install an A/C unit" just as a reminder you're going to hit 'em with the book + lawyer fees.

7/8/2010 5:28:37 PM

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN,

I AM AKIMBE MUTUMBO OF THE NIGERIAN DEVELOPMENT BANK. IT HAS COMED TO MY ATTENTIONS THAT YOU, XAVIER WILKINS, ARE THE NEXT OF KIN FOR THE LATE MR. BILL WILKINS WHO HAD A RICH OIL ESTATE IN THIS COUNTRY.

etc etc

Just call and tell him to pay you or you'll take his ass to small claims court for being a douche.

7/8/2010 5:28:40 PM

long story short:



1. Hired professional to install 2 more air conditions in my store and signed a contract to install them.
2. Eric sold me two air conditions and put them in my hall.
3. Never came back and he made up high school excuses for 8 weeks ranging from he is busy to "I can't work because I have gout".
4. I have 11 recorded instances of him on txt message claiming to be out here the following day with no calls and no shows.

That was the first week of May. It is now July.

7/8/2010 5:32:21 PM

How did beer get involved?

7/8/2010 5:35:45 PM

Quote :

"why use caps? It just seems unprofessional to me. If you're in the right (as in he was under some flavor of contract/agreement) you've got no reason to be flustered. You get your money or you call in the lawyers, simple as that. Maybe include something along the lines of "section 3 of the contract notes you are not allowed to install an A/C unit" just as a reminder you're going to hit 'em with the book + lawyer fees."

I use caps to make myself loud and clear.

I just want him to know what I want him to do in this letter. I don't want to reveal my future strategy. It's a game of chess right now. Just move your move and wait for his response and go from there.

7/8/2010 5:35:46 PM

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"How did beer get involved? "

He said he wanted two cases of beer and that I could just take it out of his labor costs.

7/8/2010 5:37:03 PM

is he underage? why can't he buy beer?

7/8/2010 5:38:48 PM

He probably just wanted to see if he could get GeniuSxBoY to go get it for him

7/8/2010 5:40:16 PM

Quote :

"He said he wanted two cases of beer and that I could just take it out of his labor costs."

[Edited on July 8, 2010 at 5:45 PM. Reason : .]

7/8/2010 5:45:35 PM

PM me and I'll hook you up with a very good HVAC company that services Virginia Beach.

7/8/2010 5:49:18 PM

I've already had 5 companies come out and they're all referrals by people I know and they all give me a different answers.

Only one went out of his way to prove his claims. I am going to go with that guy.... whenever and if ever I ever get my money back.

7/8/2010 5:53:29 PM

Hey buy me some beer so I can get drunk while I work on your AC

No problem!

7/8/2010 5:58:29 PM

Quote :

"XXXX Holland Road, Suite XXX Virginia Beach, Virginia July 8th, 2010 Mr. Eric XXXX XXXXX XXX Dodge Street Virginia Beach, Virginia XXXX URGENT NOTICE: THIS LETTER HEREBY NOTIFIES ERIC XXXXX XXXXX THAT HE HAS THIRTY (30) DAYS UNTIL HE HAS HIS FUCKING ASS STOMPED ON A FUCKING CURB AND SQUIRREL CUM SMEARED ALL OVER HIS FUCKING FAGGOT ASS FACE FROM DATE OF RECEIPT TO COMPLETE THE FOLLOWING ITEMS: 1. RETURN THE BALANCE OF $175. 2. RETURN 3/4TH BALANCE FOR BEER PURCHASED: $82.50 YOU FUCKING ALCOHOLIC SHIT 3. COMPLETE REFUND OF $2800 AND REMOVAL OF AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM FROM PROPERTY, BITCH. TOTAL: $3057.50 FAILURE TO PERFORM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE LEGAL ACTION FOR BREACH OF CONTRACT BY LAWFIRM XXXX & XXXXXX, LLC ON BEHALF OF XXX XXXXXX XXXXXX & XXXX AND THE IMMEDIATE DISEMBOWELMENT FOLLOWING THE LEGAL ASS RAPING IN COURT AND THE REPLACEMENT OF THE AFOREMENTIONED BOWELS WITH GOAT CHEESE, YOUR FATHER'S PRE-CUM, YOUR GIRLFRIENDS ABORTED FETUS AND MY OWN SMEGMA. SINCERELY, FUCK YOU. "

That should help.

7/8/2010 6:00:25 PM

Quote :

"He said he wanted two cases of beer and that I could just take it out of his labor costs."

you, sir, are an idiot.

7/8/2010 6:01:09 PM

^ Hence the facepalms.

7/8/2010 6:01:35 PM

I fail to see how I am an idiot when it's apparent $110 worth of money and $110 worth of beer are both $110.

7/8/2010 6:05:35 PM

^

7/8/2010 6:09:16 PM

I want you to try to look at this objectively...First you agree to pay your contractor in beer and now you're attempting to get your money back by faking a letter from a lawyer (and doing a piss poor job of it). And to top it all off you used "Genius Boy" in your screen name.

Just consult with an actual lawyer. It'll cost you like a hundred bucks to get them to send a threatening letter to the guy. It'll be the best $100 you can spend right about now.

7/8/2010 6:16:12 PM

i think sending this letter would be against the law since you are falsely representing yourself as a lawyer, and by doing it across state lines probably against some federal law.

7/8/2010 6:20:40 PM

k. enjoy posting on tdub from jail.

7/8/2010 6:23:05 PM

^ He would.

7/8/2010 6:24:41 PM

I would?

7/8/2010 6:25:02 PM

^No. He, as in GeniuSxBoY, the person you referenced...

7/8/2010 6:26:06 PM

Quote :

"I've already had 5 companies come out and they're all referrals by people I know and they all give me a different answers. Only one went out of his way to prove his claims. I am going to go with that guy.... whenever and if ever I ever get my money back."

What exactly did they give you different answers about and what claims are they backing up? As someone who used to do HVAC work, I'm curious about the specifics of your situation.

7/8/2010 6:33:45 PM

=== TL;DR ALERT===

I know you guys are pointing and laughing now, but nobody is immune to lies. You can cover your ass as much as you possibly can but no single person in here can claim he/she has never once been scammed in their life. There are things in life that you know about and there are things in life that you don't know about. For instance, I work in the restaurant field and also the computer field. I do NOT know anything about High Voltage Air Conditioning (HVAC). It's not my job. I didn't spend my life studying it nor did I plan on having a career in it. I am forced to trust in a professional to tell the truth.

I did my homework on this "professional". He works for a prominent HVAC company, confirmed by calling the company and confirmed because he drives their NICE work van. I took his drivers license, scanned it, and independently confirmed his residence by driving by his house since it's only 3 miles away from me. I spent a full week with him, he showed up on time at the time we planned, was attentive to my concerns, and gave me reasonable answers to my concerns. I had no reason NOT to trust him since he was referred to me by a friend that I have trusted for 2 years and has never let me down. My friend knew him for two years, too, and did work for him on his cars and ensured me he was reliable.

As for the system, I know from experience that my current system slows the overall heat my pizza oven emits into the air but there is not enough heat reduction to overcome it. Again, the final temperature over time increases with the A/C running. Based on the rate of temperature acceleration over time with the A/C off VS the rate of temperature acceleration over time with the A/C on, the rate of increase is reduced by 2/3rds according to my data charts. It made sense to me at the time, that doubling the tonnage of cool air to 6 tons, I would be able to definitely cool the place down.

We signed the contract. I gave him the money for the PARTS ONLY, no labor.

The next day he brought the two brand new air conditioning units and I personally inspected them and they look beautiful.

The day he signed the contract he bought (yes bought and paid for) a beer than I recommend called Aventinus Schneider Weiss. When he brought the air conditioners to me the next day, he asked me to order two cases for him. I ordered them and they came in Friday (4 days later).

He came out on Saturday to install the system. They worked for maybe 30 minutes when they came to me in my office and said they couldn't get the system on the roof and that they needed to rent a crane or lift. I said okay. He said he would come back on Sunday and install everything. I told him his beer came in and I gave it to him on good faith since everything has been going smoothly up until now.

After that day, I never saw him again.


===END TL;DR===

Darkone: I have a three page handwritten report by the HVAC guy who took time to explain everything to me and will testify in court on my behalf. I told him if he represents me, since I'm not good at using my mouth (I always fuck up my words), that I will hire him for the job with the money I get back. He only quoted me $1200 and if I win the case, I should have my my $3000 back. If you really want me to I can type out what is wrong with each of the 3 units I have.


Also: Too long; Didn't Proofread

7/9/2010 5:33:12 AM

Quote :

"make it so a vuvuzela plays while they read it"

7/9/2010 5:49:05 AM

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"i think sending this letter would be against the law since you are falsely representing yourself as a lawyer, and by doing it across state lines probably against some federal law."

How is he representing himself as a lawyer? Its just a note saying what he wants and what he's going to do if it doesn't happen

7/9/2010 5:58:24 AM

lol i love how people will go out of their way to act offended and start an argument over something that doesnt concern them...it really makes for a good read and helps me label who are the retards on this site.

7/9/2010 6:09:06 AM

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"I do NOT know anything about High Voltage Air Conditioning (HVAC)"

thats funny

7/9/2010 6:17:24 AM

I know right. Here's the first thing you should learn about HVAC. It doesn't stand for High Voltage Air Conditioning.

7/9/2010 6:39:13 AM

try Heating, Ventilation, and Air Conditioning

7/9/2010 7:37:13 AM

I think GeniuSxBoY is supposed to be one of those ironic nicknames, like a really fat guy that everyone calls "Tiny."

7/9/2010 7:58:52 AM

wait i thought willemjoel was the dude what owned a pizza joint

7/9/2010 8:05:03 AM

GeniuSxBoY owns a pizza shop in VA Beach

-Regina

7/9/2010 9:14:02 AM

GeniuSxBoY, I'm sorry you got scammed. It sounds like you did a reasonable job with your research. The only thing I can really fault you for is working directly with the guy you hired to do the installation instead of contracting through the company that employs him. When you hire someone "on the side" you take more risks since they won't be covered by their business's insurance. Having the guy you hired flake out is one of the risks, but it's actually one of the smaller ones. A bigger risk is that he could have installed faulty equipment, it catches on fire and burns your store down, and your insurance won't cover your losses since the installer didn't have a business license. I've seen that happen.

I know that you've already found an alternate installer, but I really recommend hiring a professional shop who will do actual heating load calculations for your shop and will design a system with the correct cooling load that will deliver air precisely where it needs to go. Anyway, good luck recovering you money. Based on my past experiences, I'm fairly certain that you'll have to go to court.

7/9/2010 11:13:37 AM

Just for the record, can you verify for me that the cost of hiring a professional company to do an install like you recommend will cost between $8,000 and $15,000?

Had it been successful, I would have only spent $4000. This was my biggest motivation because I had to do something about the heat after 3.5 years. I still didn't have $8,000 to $15,000 to have it done right.


But then again, I can't guarantee it would be done right. I see on the news that contractors scam for far more money than $15,000. Sometime it's in the millions. I didn't want to invest that kind of money for it to potentially fail from being tricked into buying a brand new unit I didn't need and for the company to cut corners like they always seem to do. I didn't install the other units, but the last guy pointed out ALL the corner cutting the last people did. One of my A/Cs is a 2 ton unit with a 2.5 ton air handler for crying out loud.

Anyway, it's not easy and it has inspired me to sign up to classes to get my HVAC license after I get more time.



[Edited on July 9, 2010 at 11:44 AM. Reason : .]

7/9/2010 11:36:58 AM

I don't think it will hold up in a court of law with all of those XXXXXXX in there

7/9/2010 11:48:09 AM

^^ I can't really say what the cost would be without knowing specifically what equipment would need to be installed and what labor would be necessary to do so. I'd have to call some folks to figure out equipment costs anyway. My experience is just fixing and installing the stuff, not billing people for it. However, $8000 to $15000 isn't so high as to sound ridiculous.

7/9/2010 12:11:51 PM

So you hired someone on-the-side to do something at half price, part of which you paid for in beer, and then are surprised you got ripped off?

lol

7/9/2010 12:21:51 PM

set up for fear

7/9/2010 12:22:58 PM