http://americasright.com/?p=3159
2/18/2010 3:07:14 PM
2/18/2010 3:21:42 PM
i don't see the problem with this
2/18/2010 3:21:48 PM
Big wow.
2/18/2010 3:26:07 PM
2/18/2010 3:28:08 PM
2/18/2010 3:35:11 PM
of all the stupid things i've ever seen a school district do, this might top the listthey are potentially (and its highly likely) in possession of child pornography (its another matter whose job it is to monitor and get rid of it)fuck, not only in possession but they are the ones who created it in the first place
2/18/2010 3:39:58 PM
why did this get moved to tech talk?we arent talking about the technology involved, its a legal issue
2/18/2010 3:47:54 PM
A computer is involved - tech talkA school was involved - study hallPolitical involvement - soap box
2/18/2010 3:49:44 PM
I made it in tech talk.I figured IT people would have more of a technological and ethical interest in this sort of thing.[Edited on February 18, 2010 at 3:50 PM. Reason : ]
2/18/2010 3:50:10 PM
oh i could have sworn i found it in soapbox when i posted, guess not
2/18/2010 3:54:50 PM
This kid won't be going to college..because he'll get millions from this.
2/18/2010 4:14:13 PM
http://gizmodo.com/5474614/school-spies-students-through-their-laptop-cameras
2/18/2010 4:20:57 PM
What the... WOW. ^That's some serious shady shit going on there. Heads should roll.
2/18/2010 4:38:27 PM
Wow...the amount of wrong here is mind-boggling. Illegal surveillance, possible FERPA violations, creation and transmission of child pornography...and just the sheer craziness of a school surreptitiously monitoring their students at home without anyone's knowledge. Yikes.
2/18/2010 4:57:03 PM
Holy shit.Not only did the capability exist, the school was actively using it to monitor students at home.How many people were in on this?
2/18/2010 5:18:00 PM
It would be one thing if the schools made students sign a disclaimer such that they knowingly take a laptop to which the school my spy on them. A whole new level of foul is the fact that they hid this "feature" and did not even inform the parents. I see a MAJOR lawsuit in the works.
2/18/2010 5:52:57 PM
Wow
2/18/2010 6:01:10 PM
What's really crazy is that the school incriminated themselves.... apparently they saw nothing wrong with what they were doing. They're fucked.
2/18/2010 6:30:34 PM
^
2/18/2010 7:57:59 PM
2/18/2010 8:02:59 PM
Another article I read stated that it was not a picture the student took himself.
2/18/2010 8:17:03 PM
I doubt that scenario.[Edited on February 18, 2010 at 8:36 PM. Reason : asdf]
2/18/2010 8:35:24 PM
For the tech crowd, this is why you ALWAYS wipe a machine when you first get it. Who knows what is on it.I wouldn't be surprised to see ACLU jump all over this one. The ruling could set a dangerous precedent for student rights if it goes poorly.
2/18/2010 8:35:58 PM
2/19/2010 8:02:54 AM
students can’t sign a EULA, because they aren’t 18.And you no contract can unreasonably limit constitutional rights anyway.
2/19/2010 8:11:40 AM
2/19/2010 8:24:34 AM
^^Students can't sign a EULA, but parents can. And the students have to sign a code of conduct.Again, I ain't saying spying on kids is right. But I understand why this policy would have been put in the use contract. Of course as a school district IT guy, I am completely against giving out laptops for all kids to take home. I think its a ridiculous waste of money myself. Let them use them at school or invest it in other technologies that can have a bigger impact, like smartboards. We almost went 1:1, and I'm so thankful we didn't.[Edited on February 19, 2010 at 8:42 AM. Reason : ]
2/19/2010 8:41:20 AM
I'm pretty sure the EULA isn't going to cover this situation.90% of the time this laptop is going to be in their bedroom, these cameras are going to capture some naked kids even if they are basically doing nothing wrong.
2/19/2010 8:57:02 AM
^^ i’m skeptical of the claims laptops help that much too, but even if i was fully behind it, I can’t think of any scenario where i’d EVER think of activating the cameras for spying purposes, or any purpose (unless the laptop was stolen).
2/19/2010 8:59:14 AM
2/19/2010 9:36:36 AM
^^ That's what the school is trying to spin it as now. They're saying it was a feature that activated when the laptop was reported as stolen.However, that DOES NOT COMPUTE (heh) with statement from students such as:
2/19/2010 10:22:22 AM
electrical tape ftw
2/19/2010 12:02:42 PM
4th amendment rights ftw
2/19/2010 12:40:37 PM
For the Winz if the hot high school cheerleader has the computer!!!
2/19/2010 1:32:58 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/19/laptop.suit/index.html?hpt=T2
2/20/2010 8:08:10 AM
i beleive they were using something like "back to my mac" which is designed to 1) access your computer from home if you want or 2) if it's stolen, you can turn the camera on and pretty much locate it. I can understand the school having this for when the laptops "are lost" but it sounds like the it guy thought they we "the law" judge dread style
2/20/2010 8:17:35 AM
^Yea what they did was definitely fucked up. I personally have a life after work and have no desire to sit at home and watch some fucking kids playing on a damn laptop. We have cameras around school campus that we use, but that shit is only for safety. This should have been only used for a case where a laptop was considered stolen or used for illegal activity. Other than that, just revoke the kids laptop privilege and don't worry about it.
2/20/2010 8:37:39 AM
fbi investigatinghttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,587034,00.html?test=latestnews
2/20/2010 9:29:16 AM
lmao. There is no fucking excuse for this shit. School administrators are scum.
2/20/2010 11:20:16 AM
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2/21/2010 8:02:23 AM
I had the same prob w my speak-and-spell back in the day. Just got to take the batteries out.
2/21/2010 6:17:35 PM
This blogger has by far the most complete picture I've seen of what's actually going on with this whole sorry situation: http://strydehax.blogspot.com/2010/02/spy-at-harrington-high.htmlIn addition to a technical dissection, it includes some very interesting stories coming in from students of that district. The quick summary:-Possession of a monitored Macbook was required for classes-Possession of an unmonitored personal computer was forbidden and would be confiscated-Disabling the camera was impossible-Jailbreaking a school laptop in order to secure it or monitor it against intrusion was an offense which merited expulsionAlso in that link, this is the relevant section of an old screencast by the school network admin, bragging about the security software: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHu92imqJec (It's a program called LANRev.)Finally, someone else takes a quick look at an actual student laptop: http://www.saveardmorecoalition.org/blog/2 (They're locked-down MacBooks.)This hole just keeps getting deeper.
2/25/2010 10:20:23 AM
Probably some pervs in the IT dept.
2/25/2010 10:49:05 AM
As an IT Professional I will say there are a lot of pervs here. Most of them think they're smarter than their users. The small percentage that also believe they can get away with anything are what leads to this kind of shit.
2/25/2010 10:55:21 AM
2/25/2010 10:57:45 AM
Well hope they know better than to lie to FBI, they will nail you for that quicker than the crime.
2/25/2010 10:58:26 AM
That never happens!
2/25/2010 5:14:06 PM
2/26/2010 8:18:33 AM