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George Bryan 1st team TE, Willie Young 2nd team DE

Nesbitt first team over Lewis? Wow. Spiller has to be first team over Dwyer too IMO.

Where's that thread too where people were actually arguing with me that Lewis was worse than Jacory Harris and that Lewis wasn't even better than his backup?

12/1/2009 1:58:36 AM

Jacory Harris pwns j00.

12/1/2009 2:03:49 AM

Wilson and Lewis should have both gotten 2nd team. Wilson threw 11 more TD's

12/1/2009 2:19:25 AM

Wilson is still the best.

12/1/2009 2:22:50 AM

damn i didnt realize wilson accumulated 11 INTs

12/1/2009 2:39:45 AM

Wilson and Jarvis Williams should have been listed.

12/1/2009 3:02:06 AM

Where's Jeff Ruiz?

12/1/2009 3:09:19 AM

Nesbitt? Is that a fucking joke?

Wilson, Lewis, Skinner, Ponder, and Harris are all better than he is.

12/1/2009 6:33:34 AM

Why are there 4 kickers and 3 TEs on the first 2 teams?

12/1/2009 6:37:44 AM

Wilson would have won if 1)He hadn't won last year 2) We had a somewhat decent defense

12/1/2009 7:16:02 AM

^ Are you implying that the 5-7 record is what did him in? We were only 6-6 last year, not that much different from 5-7, but I guess it is in the eyes of the committee. Just kind of silly that they're giving GT's players so much credit because of their record.

12/1/2009 8:34:25 AM

It's more like he had a really good year this year, but he won last year, and had a worse year this year than last year.




Owen Spencer led the nation in YPC and Jarvis was 8th in the nation in receiving TD's.

12/1/2009 8:47:32 AM

It's still kind of silly how they decide these things. They should look at it as a legitimate "ACC dream team". Sure Nesbitt had more wins than RW, but RW is clearly a better QB. Surround him with the rest of the 1st team and see what kind of record RW has. That's how they should be approaching the selections. Oh well.

12/1/2009 9:01:49 AM

Some very bad choices this year...

12/1/2009 9:03:47 AM

it's pretty much like this: If you want any QB on your team out of the ACC, who would you pick?

I guaranfuckingtee you nobody would want nesbitt as their go to QB. what success he has is the product of the system he's in, and his stats are pretty weak overall, other than the W/L column, and for this particular honor, it really shouldn't be about that.


It's clear that all of the all-acc selections were based on feelings and not on data.

12/1/2009 9:05:23 AM

I just checked Thaddeus Lewis' stats and while he had a good year it went down hill after he shredded our shit defense (that TJ Yates just threw for 280 yds on 19 passes) and played Maryland. I'd keep him 2nd team and put Wilson first. You could argue throwing Skinner into that picture too but meh @ the system offense he ran. Also, Ponder had by far the best year at QB before he got injured

Spiller still made first team, though in the cop out ST position

12/1/2009 9:26:48 AM

Quote :

"it's pretty much like this: If you want any QB on your team out of the ACC, who would you pick?"

Thats really not how it works

Do you think any NBA exec would have wanted Steve Nash over any other player in the league a few years back ?

Its a combination of stats and wins...If State wins 8 games this year, I think Wilson takes it in a landslide

12/1/2009 9:28:32 AM

Russell was third in the NCAA with 31 TDs and 3000+ yards...

But oh well.

12/1/2009 9:37:58 AM

As far as passers this year in BCS conferences plus ND

I think McCoy, Tebow, Clausen, Mallet, and Pike are your top 5, and then Wilson is right behind them

[Edited on December 1, 2009 at 9:44 AM. Reason : x]

12/1/2009 9:42:47 AM

all that matters is RW is a beast. i don't care if this committee recognizes it or not. every team we play next year will be worried that's for sure.

12/1/2009 9:52:36 AM

Are you talking about our single-A team?

12/1/2009 9:57:15 AM

^


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Points Responsible For
Year: 2009 Thru: 11/28/09 Minimum Pct. of Games Played 75
Rank Player Pos Cl Gm Pass Passing Pts Total Points Totptsgm
1 Case Keenum, Houston QB JR 12 1 38 26 256 21.33
2 Kellen Moore, Boise St. QB SO 12 1 38 8 238 19.83
3 Dan LeFevour, Central Mich. QB SR 12 0 25 84 234 19.50
4 Jerrod Johnson, Texas A&M QB JR 12 1 28 50 220 18.33
5 Colin Kaepernick, Nevada QB JR 12 0 19 104 218 18.17
6 Russell Wilson, North Carolina St. QB SO 12 0 31 24 210 17.50


[Edited on December 1, 2009 at 10:17 AM. Reason : 6]

12/1/2009 10:14:45 AM

I don't get the Joel McHale reference, but the fact remains that his long term future is at 2B, not QB

We'd be luck to have him back next year

12/1/2009 10:21:30 AM

Yea, hes most likley going to leave, finished this season with some impressive stats, and a big win over UNC, plus next year we are losing a large majority of our offensive and defensive lines...

12/1/2009 10:36:46 AM

^And graduating in May.

12/1/2009 11:09:08 AM

I dunno, he might stay. He didn't light it up in baseball last year, and just because he's graduating doesn't mean he has to leave. He can take like one class per semester and therefore fully devote himself to his sport(s). He may just stick around.

12/1/2009 11:48:00 AM

Quote :

"Thats really not how it works Do you think any NBA exec would have wanted Steve Nash over any other player in the league a few years back ?"

actually i'm pretty sure THATS not how it works...

if you are referencing nash being named first team all-nba, it is debatable whether other nba execs would prefer him or another pg.

but i assume you are referencing the MVP. all-acc is not (or i dont think anyway) mean to be most valuable players at each position, it is meant to be BEST player at each position. the player of the year is more like mvp. in terms of best player at the position, nesbitt may have been the best pick for his system, but he wasnt the best player. wilson had way better stats, but didnt have a D or an o-line to help him out.

however, my real gripe is sapp getting more votes than young when young had better stats in every category and way less help. imagine what young's stats would have been this year if our cb's could cover for more than 1 second.

12/2/2009 10:11:46 PM

Quote :

"He can take like one class per semester and therefore fully devote himself to his sport(s). He may just stick around."

better check the rulebook on that... i heard you have to be enrolled full time to play sports. 12+ hours (at least on scholarship)

12/2/2009 10:16:03 PM

if that's the case then i wonder how ponder plans on playing next year. dude's getting his MASTERS in may, so i'm not sure what else he could possibly do unless he's doing a damn doctorate or something

12/2/2009 10:17:56 PM

^^ I know that isn't the case

Matt Leinart just took ballroom dancing his last semester at USC and Andy Katzemoyer (sp?) only took golf his last semester.

[Edited on December 2, 2009 at 10:35 PM. Reason : asd]

12/2/2009 10:34:56 PM

your last semester you can be counted as full time if you are taking the hours necessary to complete your degree, at least for reg students and as far as health insurance is concerned.

12/2/2009 10:36:19 PM

take a bunch of pe classes

advanced weight training-independent study
athletic coaching
sports medicine
sports nutrition

12/2/2009 10:37:43 PM

Quote :

"Andy Katzemoyer (sp?) only took golf his last semester."

LOLLERS. He was probably the dumbest person in NCAA history. Even Dallas Baker could read a little bit.

12/2/2009 10:40:09 PM

So Spiller gets POY and can't make first team?

Damn the voters were off this year. How does a Heisman candidate not make 1st team?

12/2/2009 11:27:42 PM

He did make first team, just not as the running back...
Look at the bottom of the list.

edit: he only missed Ryan Williams by one vote. And Williams is pretty amazing.

[Edited on December 3, 2009 at 9:48 AM. Reason : ^]

12/3/2009 9:41:36 AM

He’s not even in the discussion as purely a running back, and no, it doesn’t matter that he threw a touchdown pass. I’m a big fan of his, and he’s going to make gobs and gobs of money at the next level, but this year he was a great all-around playmaker. There’s just not a spot for him on the all-star team other than as a return man.

12/3/2009 9:43:59 AM