I mentioned this in TSB Auto Bailout thread, but it pertains to this forum as well.

You think this will be good?

6/5/2009 1:35:20 PM

Maybe it will lead to faster Saturns.

6/5/2009 1:48:47 PM

maybe this will lead to plastic rental moving trucks

6/5/2009 2:35:24 PM

^That's pretty funny. I lol'd.

Odd move on Penske's part. Get it? Odd move. :p

6/5/2009 2:50:29 PM

speaking of moves, i would have moved on that C5 if I had the loot.

6/5/2009 6:40:34 PM

hoping not to see IndyCar engines badged as Saturn

or ALMS or GrandAm Saturns

6/6/2009 7:12:37 AM

now that dodge stopped giving money to nascar teams perhaps he could stick a saturn logo on the front of the racecar

6/8/2009 6:02:46 PM

Pretty awesome. Saturn actually has built up a pretty damn good brand over the last 5-6 years. Finally have 3 solid platforms, and they make interesting cars that are still pretty reliable, affordable and economical.

6/8/2009 6:11:52 PM

I would buy another saturn.

6/8/2009 6:32:34 PM

someone has to keep gm alive

6/9/2009 12:52:06 AM

so am i supposed to wish this was pontiac or be glad it was saturn?

6/9/2009 12:55:18 AM

saturn has more plastic. I dont know what youre asking

6/9/2009 1:01:34 AM

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"I would buy another saturn."

6/9/2009 1:05:45 AM

^^is it more logical to hate on saturn or pontiac?

i guess i have a bias toward saturn, and feel pontiac is older so it shoulda been saved first

[Edited on June 9, 2009 at 1:13 AM. Reason : which one has crappier cars?]

6/9/2009 1:12:48 AM

well pontiac only has like 3 cars left, and saturn has about 4. maybe 5, I just cant keep up with how fast they are shuting shit down left and right


lets go ford

6/9/2009 1:16:39 AM

Speaking of shutting shit down, didn't the new Malibu have a V6 option when it first came out?

I was talking about this with my friend last night. There's only a 4 cylinder engine available on the website now.

[Edited on June 9, 2009 at 1:19 AM. Reason : ^ Yeah, actually I'm interested in buying a Ford because they didn't take gubmint $$$.]

6/9/2009 1:19:24 AM

^^nah i hated on ford til they became the only one that DIDNT have to declare bankruptcy

although the only reason they didnt is cause the gov cheese that gm/chrysler got

[Edited on June 9, 2009 at 1:20 AM. Reason : .]

6/9/2009 1:19:58 AM

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"gov cheese that gm/chrysler "

they still dont have enough. but anyway, indy sucks

6/9/2009 1:41:41 AM

yeah i'm just saying its what kept ford alive

6/9/2009 1:42:11 AM

that, and not quiting the making of great selling cars

6/9/2009 1:46:08 AM

Ford isn't "alive" b/c they make superior cars over GM and Chrysler (though in some cases they do). They're "alive" b/c they had the foresight to see what was coming economically and mortgaged the shit out of their assets before the credit market locked up.

I do admire them for that. Though I have to say NOT buying a GM/Chrysler b/c they got help from the gov't seems retarded to me. It's like saying you really really don't want to give them a chance to pay back the gov't (i.e. you and me).

The Malibu is still available with a V6.

6/9/2009 9:53:48 AM

pfftt.. why get a malibu when you can get a new taurus sho

6/9/2009 11:08:12 AM

^^Yep. V6 is (and has been since it was introduced) only available on the 2LT and LTZ models. The LS and 1LT can only be had with the 4 cylinder, maybe that's the source of confusion? It's also listed on the web site as the "HFV6 package" where it's bundled with hydraulic power steering and the 6-speed auto, not under the "powertrain" category which is kind of confusing.

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"Pretty awesome. Saturn actually has built up a pretty damn good brand over the last 5-6 years. Finally have 3 solid platforms, and they make interesting cars that are still pretty reliable, affordable and economical."

See, here's the thing--if Penske tries to run them as an independent company, the open question is whether or not GM will let them keep those platforms. The Aura shares the Epsilon platform with the Malibu, which is Chevy's hot model right now; the VUE shares the Theta platform with the Chevy Equinox; and the Outlook shares the Lambda platform with the Chevy Traverse, GMC Acadia (strong seller) and Buick Enclave (the flagship model for Buick's new direction). I know they will continue selling the current models, but will they be allowed to develop new models on platforms that are still held by GM? If you walk into a Saturn showroom in 5 years, will they be essentially licensed GM derivatives produced in Penske-owned facilities, or will they be a non-cohesive collection of models based on whoever Penske can reach a badge-engineering deal with? Interesting to see. I'm sure it's spelled out in the contract somewhere, but I've not seen any explanation of it yet.

[Edited on June 9, 2009 at 11:12 AM. Reason : s]

6/9/2009 11:12:09 AM

i lol'd at dnl's retarded comments.

6/9/2009 11:22:23 AM

Ford is alive but they are not out of the woods yet



Penske will sell Saturn off to the indians or the chinese within 10 years.

6/9/2009 2:55:54 PM

The Aura, Vue, and Outlook will live on for a little while with Penske buying those on a contract basis from GM. The Vue hybrid, Astra, and Sky have been cancelled in all of this. After that Penske is allegedly going to import cars from Samsung Motors (a Renault subsidiary in Korea.) Ultimately he wants to make it a full-line electric car manufacturer. Or this is what I've gleaned from the Detroit News and the New York Times.

6/10/2009 9:35:00 AM

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"saturn has more plastic."

2007 was the last model year of the plastic body panel. 2008+ are made in Mexico as well. I have a 99 SL1 and an 06 Vue with the Honda 3.5 V6, and both are great cars.

6/10/2009 9:58:03 AM

I just put a door on a vue the other day that was plastic. thats weird, maybe it was from japan or some shit. idk i work at a body shop. and most the cars arent but a year old. glad they are moving away from plastic.

wait. are the new camaros plastic or no?

6/10/2009 10:20:53 PM

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"i work at a body shop. "

This can only end well.

Most of the modern "plastic" cars are actually SMC. Very easy stuff to work with with the proper tool and training.

[Edited on June 10, 2009 at 11:28 PM. Reason : k]

6/10/2009 11:28:14 PM

SCJ SL1 on the horizon?

6/29/2009 9:54:37 AM