Does anyone seriously know of a good one?

I did not know that these people actually existed but I'd love to give me a resume to someone who will hunt me down a job. I have no problem with giving them compensation upon finding a job.

I currently do have a job but its not what I would like to do at all with my career and i am overqualified (I applied with a really downgraded resume).

3/6/2009 9:03:30 PM

what field?

3/6/2009 9:05:22 PM

ideally international relations, government, politics, non-profit's. but I also can do management, admin.?

v notice how I didn't say english teacher



[Edited on March 6, 2009 at 9:23 PM. Reason : for the grammar nazi]

3/6/2009 9:09:08 PM

you mean

non-profit's

3/6/2009 9:20:04 PM

i think it is just non-profits/nonprofits

no?

3/6/2009 9:35:56 PM

ahaha i love it

International relations in....Raleigh?

3/6/2009 9:36:15 PM

i thought so too...

^ I am talking about a local headhunter but that doesn't mean a job necessarily in N.C.

please don't mess up the thread. I am looking for serious comments and people who have actually dealt directly with or used their services. feel free to mess with any threads in chit chat, but not here please.

[Edited on March 6, 2009 at 9:39 PM. Reason : k]

3/6/2009 9:36:46 PM

sheesh for having to point things out

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"Headhunter's"

3/6/2009 9:37:44 PM

^ oh i getcha. haha. sorry

^^ have you tried idealist.org i mean, not a headhunter, but a good site for what you are looking for--lots of cool looking jobs there. do headhunters exist for nonprofit work? i thought headhunters found people for companies. and i thought they were like $$$$ jobs. i don't know though.

3/6/2009 9:41:02 PM

well I was talking to my best friend and apparently her friend had a headhunter and found her a job with cisco as an admin something that paid like 40g. or something . I know her friend and she doesn't even have a b.a. or have a lot of exp.

The thing I liked was that she used them and they hunted for a job for her, using their connections etc. catch is she pays a percentage of her wages for the first 6 months. I guess that is how they get paid.

I would not mind this at all. job right now I have is horrible pay. I'll keep job hunting but it would be so nice to have someone to help me out and hunt for me as well. I figure its worth it to find a better job than what I have now.

[Edited on March 6, 2009 at 9:51 PM. Reason : ya i've know of idealist for a while ]

3/6/2009 9:50:01 PM

umm... I think you have a backwards notion of what a headhunter does.... He hunts HEADS not jobs.

maybe you're thinking of an agent ... I'm sure you deserve an agent, ffs.

[Edited on March 6, 2009 at 10:17 PM. Reason : s]

3/6/2009 10:16:19 PM

^^ recruiters are MUCH more common in IT than most industries. I've never heard of one for your stated interests

3/6/2009 10:40:48 PM

I agree with what others have said, I doubt that you will have a lot of luck finding a headhunter that works in your field. That being said, what specifically are you interested in within IR, it is a very broad field? Where are you willing to work? Do you have any experience in IR, Gov, politics? Im in the same field that you are so if you can narrow down your interests a bit, i may be able to point you in the right direction.

3/6/2009 11:37:32 PM

not a chance of finding a headhunter for this, unless you are at an executive level of experience.

3/7/2009 12:10:46 AM

Headhunters call me at least once a week. I hang up on them.

3/7/2009 2:46:58 AM

^^ this is why there is the word Ideally but I go on to say that I can do management, admin work etc. if I'll get paid at least 30g or higher.

please learn to read people

^^^I'll pm you when I have some more time.

3/7/2009 10:36:53 AM

why in the world would a headhunter look for admins? seems like those are a dime a dozen

3/7/2009 10:38:45 AM

yeah, you've got to be an established professional w/ extensive experience. especially for non-tech business types you need to be executive level.

no headhunter is going to bother with mid level administrative type.

you need to get off your butt an go hustle up a job.

3/7/2009 3:04:08 PM

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"ideally international relations, government, politics, non-profit's. "

I know this guy who got me a Senate seat, he can help you out.

3/7/2009 9:39:31 PM

LOLthread

3/8/2009 1:23:18 PM

as others have stated, its been my experience that recruiters are generally geared more towards technical positions that are looking for specific skill sets. general admin positions are going to be hard to find right now. i understand your frustration with underemployment, for the time being look for things in your current position that you can still use to boost your resume. Taking initiative (and communicating such on your resume) can go a long way.

3/8/2009 2:23:42 PM

I make a pretty good living "headhunting." Unfortunately you're going to have trouble finding someone to help you. I've always heard that agencies that garnish individual wages are scams...and they wouldn't technically be headhunters anyway.

To the tool who said he hangs up on recruiters...good for you. If you don't want to be contacted, take your resume off the job boards with those easy to search for key terms. I promise you'll be playing a different tune sometime in your career (no job is permanent). It could come back to bite you as most companies use tracking system and make notes of those types of interactions for future reference.

My advice would be: apply, apply, apply and apply everywhere. Based on the direction of your targeted job, I would guess you are still young and inexperienced. Be ready to pack up and leave to wherever you need to go. Get the job that is somehow related to where you want to be and stick with it. Everyone's first job sucks (in one way or another). There are tons of candidates out there right now and many companies are already not hiring at 2006 prices.

What are you doing now and why did you apply ANYWHERE with a downgraded resume?

3/9/2009 12:05:44 AM

For instance, if you'd worked as a scientist for NASA for 15 years and were in charge of budgets and entire projects, then it would be a good idea to downgrade your resume if you were applying to work as a floor clerk at JC Penney..

That's just one example of why you would downgrade a resume.

3/9/2009 8:04:29 AM

my first job does not, in fact, suck.

3/9/2009 11:18:15 AM

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"To the tool who said he hangs up on recruiters...good for you. If you don't want to be contacted, take your resume off the job boards with those easy to search for key terms."

Hey Mr. One Dimension, have you ever heard of LinkedIn? You don't have to have your resume or contact information posted anywhere. There are 1,000's of recruiters who do nothing but scour the site daily and anyone's phone number can be found in 15 seconds using Google.

People call me daily as I advertise two certs I have - PMP and CPLP. I can't take those off as they are the reason I post my shit on LinkedIn. You people give your business a shitty name.

3/9/2009 11:53:46 AM

"Good afternoon. I can see from your profile that you casually mention passing experience with [some technology]. Would you be interested in a position as master-chief-administrator of [some technology]?"

3/9/2009 12:17:13 PM

"Good Afternoon, I can see from your profile that you have the word "Director" in your job title. Would you be interested in a position of Director of After School programs for the YMCA of Roxboro, NC?"

3/9/2009 12:25:22 PM

Haha, now that I might hang up on. Usually I just politely decline.

The people I get calls from never send me further information about the job when I ask for it nor do they give me more information about the company they're representing (as they usually say they will send it to the address on my resume).

I've grown to be wary of people like this. If you don't sound desperate and jump on the opportunity right then I don't think they are that interested in continuing the conversation at a later date.

3/9/2009 12:31:19 PM

^^^ hahah seriously i get that all the time

3/9/2009 12:40:54 PM

^^ They don't want to tell you what the company is before they present you to the company, since you could just contact them and apply directly. In that case the recruiter wouldn't get paid.

3/9/2009 12:44:05 PM

That's not what I mean. I wanted information on what the company does, specifically, what fields they work in, and to look at the general area where they're located before I move forward at all. A vague job description of structural engineering at a company that has the potential to turn into a permanent position doesn't really tell me if I'd be designing bridges, buildings, retaining walls, precast structures, temporary structures, trailers, structural systems, formwork systems... It also doesn't tell me how big the company is. You know, would you want to chance a job with a company of three people if it required you to move about ten hours from where you are now, and if you didn't even have any idea of what sort of contract they landed that they were trying to hire an engineer?

That's a whole lot of unknowns, and you could end up wasting your time traveling to interview with a company to do work that you know you would hate (wasting their time, money, and your time).

A lot of recruiters seem to think that if they say "oh we have a job in your field" and don't provide more details that I'd be willing to commit right away.

3/9/2009 1:02:47 PM

Yeah, I see exactly what you're saying, and I agree, but knowing most of the information you want right away might give away who the company is. If I had it all (I got my last job from a tech recruiter my last company was working with) that's the first thing I'd try - figuring it out and getting directly in touch with the company. I think my recruiter showed me some of the technology being used and generally described it as a "Linux C++ development position" or something first, so not really enough for me to go on, but I found out the company paid the recruiters 15% of your first years salary up front, so saving some of that or at least getting it yourself would be a great reason to circumvent any third party recruiters.

3/9/2009 1:14:44 PM

I actually hadn't gotten one of these for a while, but here's one I just got.

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"Hi, We are looking for a Windchill 9.0 Consultant at Eagan, MN. Location: Eagan, MN Duration: 6 Months Rate :$50 c2c Need Gc / Citizen Description: -- Need a Windchill 9.0 Expert -- 1 to 2+ years experience on Windchill 9.0 -- Defines, documents, designs IT processes and computer based systems. This position focuses heavily on implementation, configuration and optimization of the Windchill process management software package. -- Windchill 9.0 exp a must, process management software for product /design development processes. IT/IS business analysis, design, documentation Thanks & Regards Abhishek Singh Brook Technologies Inc. PH: 408-239-4428 E-mail: asingh@brooktechnologies.com mY LiNKeD iN pRoFILe: http://www.linkedin.com/in/abhishekrajput Note: Under Bill s.1618 Title III passed by the 105th U.S. Congress this mail cannot be considered Spam as long as we include contact information and a remove link for removal from our mailing list. To be removed from our mailing list reply with "remove" and include your "original email address/addresses" in the subject heading. Include complete address/addresses and/or domain to be removed. We will immediately update accordingly. We apologize for the inconvenience if any caused to you."

3/9/2009 5:54:19 PM

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"mY LiNKeD iN pRoFILe:"

Very professional

3/9/2009 6:06:57 PM

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"Yeah, I see exactly what you're saying, and I agree, but knowing most of the information you want right away might give away who the company is. If I had it all that's the first thing I'd try - figuring it out and getting directly in touch with the company. I think my recruiter showed me some of the technology being used and generally described it as a "Linux C++ development position" or something first, so not really enough for me to go on, but I found out the company paid the recruiters 15% of your first years salary up front, so saving some of that or at least getting it yourself would be a great reason to circumvent any third party recruiters."

I've never worked with a recruiter that hid the company name from me. If a headhunter contacts me with a position, and I'm interested, I go ahead and sign a non-compete and move forward.

It's a very shitty thing to circumvent real recruiters. It's unethical, especially if you try to do this after speaking with them about the position. It can also very easily put the company in legal hot water if they hire you outside of the recruiting contract.

3/9/2009 7:42:40 PM

Yeah but I'm talking about circumventing the recruiter after the initial contact and before signing anything.

2nd edit: I see what you're saying now, I guess the company does sign some kind of contract with them and that'd be a grey area if you heard about the opening through the recruiters and then contacted them by yourself. Probably depends on the contract.

From my last company's perspective, they really couldn't find anybody, and using a recruiter was the last resort.

[Edited on March 9, 2009 at 7:45 PM. Reason : Plus prior to the face to face interview, doing everything through the recruiter was awkward as shit]

[Edited on March 9, 2009 at 7:47 PM. Reason : .]

3/9/2009 7:45:10 PM

^No company uses a recruiting firm unless they need to. "last resort" is not an excuse to circumvent.

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"Yeah but I'm talking about circumventing the recruiter after the initial contact and before signing anything."

If it's some random cold-call email lead, then yeah I have no problem with hunting for the source company. Usually the hunters who recruit that way aren't the best, and I've dealt with some super-shady deals in the past from this type of recruiter.

But if you have an established network of recruiters, it's inappropriate to go behind their backs when they send you leads. Of course, in that case, you generally don't have to pull teeth to find out whatever you need to about the company anyway.

3/9/2009 8:08:54 PM

dakota_man: ahaha some of the guys looking to fill PTC positions are hilarious, but yeah most of the time its just really, really, really annoying.

3/9/2009 10:30:19 PM

Take it easy on those poor IT recruiters. Those guys are stuck talking to aggressive Indians all day. IT recruiting is sorta the "learn the ropes" to recruiting anyway.

Personally, if someone is a dick to me I never call them again or cut our conversation short. I wouldn't want to send that person over anyway. I've worked hard to develop a relationship with that particular HM, so he knows when I'm sending someone they are good. (They will be qualified but they will also get along well with others.)

On the other hand for people that complain about being contacted, someone in my office made the mistake of posting an ad for a project manager position with Duke Energy for power uprates...because he left PMP in the description we had 100s of people apply that had no relevant experience besides the acronym in their resumes. For example, people that worked for SunTrust, Wachovia etc. It was a complete waste of the $400-$500 it cost to run. I don't use ads, so no harm to me, but still.

I always disclose the client name because we are typically the only people working on it. We have an agreement that's been in place with the same companies for years. Some companies choose to just outsource their headhunting instead of keeping a staffed team of recruiters. Either way, I really only talk with guys that have 10+ years experience and they know the recruiter game. I can typically get and give all the information I need in 5 to 10 minutes and move on.

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"People call me daily as I advertise two certs I have - PMP and CPLP. I can't take those off as they are the reason I post my shit on LinkedIn. "

That doesn't make sense. If you want to cut down the amount of people contacting you uncheck the box on LinkedIn that says "interested in career opportunities." People will still call, but thats the best you can do. I'd also recommend getting your company to get a loop phone directory.

3/9/2009 11:32:23 PM

i put the amount of talent a recruiter has next to your everyday secretary - not everyone can do it/put up with it but it sure doesn't require a lot of skill

even the high dollar ones aren't that talented imho

3/9/2009 11:36:09 PM

Eh money is money. Engineers hate being told they're only good at engineering.

3/9/2009 11:48:01 PM

^^you'd be surprised. There's good and bad just like every industry.

I could say the same thing of an average engineer. Not everyone can do it/put up with it, but it sure doesn't require a lot of skill. Then again you probably haven't had to work in any government agencies before

3/10/2009 2:55:05 AM

i think it's strange that you pluralized "headhunter" but not "recruiter"

3/10/2009 4:13:07 AM

heh i was drunk when i typed that last night - i do agree with it though - of course it's based solely on the ones i've dealt with which is only a few

besides general people skills i didn't see a single talent that a normal joe wouldn't have and couldn't pick up with 1-2 weeks of on the job training

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"I could say the same thing of an average engineer."

you can't say what i just said about an average engineer i don't think - without some prereq skillset in almost every case - assuming they are doing engineering work

3/10/2009 9:30:10 AM