2/23/2009 2:00:32 PM
2/23/2009 2:34:06 PM
this thread implies that 9/10 of the us population gives a flying fuck about california
2/23/2009 2:45:00 PM
you can check out any time you wantbut you can never leave
2/23/2009 2:50:35 PM
The public service unions are incredibly powerful in California, and their ridiculous pension and health care deals are bankrupting the state. Arnold went up against them in 2004 just after being elected, and his approval rating went from 70% to less than 30% in just a few months. He was getting hammered nonstop with television and print ads denouncing him and his initiatives, and the papers were coming out with manufactured "scandals" against him every week, tying him to big business, etc. It was disgusting, and yet disgustingly effective. After that he learned that going up against the unions in Cali is political suicide.The lesson to be learned is to never allow unions to have too much power, because they will never give it back and they can be just as greedy and unscrupulous as big business. I worry about Obama in that regard, since he is expanding government and he has always been a vocal supporter of the unions. If we are not careful, by the end of his term the public employee unions could have us all by the balls the same way they have the state of California and the US Automakers by the balls.[Edited on February 23, 2009 at 3:38 PM. Reason : 2]
2/23/2009 3:37:49 PM
Cali as as much of a microcosm of the US as westboro baptist church is a microcosm of Christianity.
2/23/2009 3:56:34 PM
ahemMicrocosm of *future* US.As in where we could be headed. Looking at Obama and the momentum that the Dems have, it's a legitimate concern IMO.
2/23/2009 3:58:39 PM
I'm more concerned with Michigan to tell you the truth.
2/23/2009 4:21:53 PM
I, for one, would not complain if Wilmington was a carbon copy of San Diego.
2/23/2009 5:28:21 PM
for one thing, California is the largest single economy of any of the 50 states by a large margin. it's larger than many industrialized nations.so, if it has a budget shortfall *OF COURSE* the absolute value of that shortfall will be ginormous.this sounds to me like more ratings-driven doom-and-gloom from Rupert Murdoch's latest acquisition.is it me, or has the WSJ become more sensationalist by orders of magnitude since it was assimilated the LOLFOXNEWS conglomerate?
2/23/2009 6:33:50 PM
No, the article was pretty much spot-on. I live in California and the budget crisis has hit epic proportions. The state is sending IOU's to taxpayers and contractors.
2/23/2009 6:39:44 PM
I think the largest issue here is how much of California's budget is locked-in due to various ballot initiatives. The legislature and the Governator have shown little interest in addressing this or other pressing issues, but regardless, we've seen the outcomes of a direct proposition system gone amok.Which is why I've said it before and I'll say it again: democracy just doesn't work.http://tinyurl.com/c6z2bbRampant public service unions certainly haven't helped this, but it doesn't exactly look good when you're practically in the red right out of the starting gate.Now, if you're looking for a microcosm of the Federal Government - there you go. Have fun with our entitlement spending in, oh, 20 years so...
2/23/2009 6:44:34 PM
People expect the government, whether it be state, federal, or local to give them something without realizing that they have to take it from somebody else first.
2/23/2009 7:27:08 PM
2/23/2009 11:32:38 PM
What don't you understand?Since getting hammered for being a right-wing ideologue, he has shifted to the center by working with democrats on some issues and picking his battles rather than beating the party-line drum.
2/24/2009 12:04:59 AM
the notion that Cali is "moderate" is "wat?"
2/24/2009 12:12:12 AM
Democracy is the most inefficient form of government but it is most definitely not the worst.The worst would be the kind where a mentally 12 year old neurotic leader can sentence half the population to death for wearing glasses.Seriously, to even argue against democracy because of weak leadership in general is laughable. Do you have any idea of what poor leadership translates to in other forms of government? Go ahead and take a moment to look through Africa.
2/24/2009 12:17:14 AM
BURRO, yeah, i realize your entire conception of anything outside North Carolina is predicated by what you've watched on TV and movies...because if you had any clue as to what you're talking about, you'd realize California, the state, is demographically and geographically diverse.
2/24/2009 12:18:42 AM
2/24/2009 12:20:26 AM
Burro thinks of San Francisco when he thinks of California.Ignoring the massive latino -and catholic- population of socal.I didnt click the link :Carlface:[Edited on February 24, 2009 at 12:21 AM. Reason : >.<]
2/24/2009 12:20:49 AM
I read this article last week and agree its something to be concerned about. California's government is debt-ridden, they've locked in spending in their constitution, their unemployment rate is one of the highest in the nation, and their taxes are ridiculous. In 2007 they enacted a carbon cap and trade scheme which is only helping lead them further down the path to economic ruin. They have a credit rating lower than Louisiana!There are plenty of similarities between this and the path Obama wants to lead the nation, so yes I'm concerned.
2/24/2009 12:08:55 PM
If I remember correctly, some fifty to sixty percent of the California budget is locked in by entitlements and voter initiatives. While these ideas may have sounded great when people voted on the propositions, in a time of fiscal crisis, the state government has almost no options on how to solve their budget woes. They can't even raise taxes without a supermajority. It's not that I'm a big advocate of raising taxes, but I think in California's case, you can't close a $40+ billion dollar budget with spending cuts alone...
2/24/2009 1:24:05 PM
2/24/2009 3:55:44 PM
^^They most definitely can solve this problem fairly easily by doing two things.One: legalize Marijuana and make billions a year in revenue off the excise taxes.Two: Allow drilling off the coast for oil and natural gas. Billions and billions of dollars a year are just sitting there.I mean let's be honest, there's absolutely no reason to feel sorry for this state (and I'm not saying anyone in this thread says we should).
2/25/2009 8:40:29 AM
pot is legal there
2/25/2009 9:01:35 AM
I mean fully legalize pot. Not this medical marijuana BS. Of course the problem with this is that legalizing marijuana goes against a federal law so it would be challenged in court. But whatever, someone has to fire the first shot.
2/25/2009 10:51:36 AM
^you seem like such a conservative and yet you throw out stuff like:
2/25/2009 11:07:14 AM
^umm, wat? Explain to me how marijuana is more harmful than tobacco and booze. How does me being conversative mean I should believe a bunch of bullshit preached by the government for the last 30-40 years?I don't really see a conflict of interest here. And my dad's politics? Excuse me for believing in fiscal conservation and small government
2/25/2009 11:16:54 AM
The government locking up millions of non-violent Americans is a big-government activity. As such, conservatives should be in favor of legalizing Marijuana and legalizing the shooting of drug-dealers as justifiable homicide.
2/25/2009 11:25:28 AM
^^haha relax i dont need a rehash of the marijuana argument, i just think your combination of viewpoints is funnywell i must say as history has shown recently, being conservative is all about believing bullshit that is preached by the government, but that is for another thread[Edited on February 25, 2009 at 11:28 AM. Reason : .]
2/25/2009 11:28:14 AM
^you couldn't be more wrong.
2/25/2009 11:34:32 AM
2/25/2009 11:49:53 AM