This is what happens when I get drunk alone.

1/4/2009 10:09:58 PM

hey, it all comes from (and goes to) the same place.
No problem with that.

1/4/2009 10:13:33 PM

I'm not entirely sure Tech Talk is the right place for this thread

1/4/2009 10:20:17 PM

I don't know, I've read plenty of crap in this section in the past.

Did I mention that it runs through my water-cooling rig?

Oh, I should explain that bottle on the left. It's called soap. Some people use it on a daily basis.

1/4/2009 10:53:32 PM

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1/4/2009 11:29:00 PM

this is pretty smart. i'm assuming the aim was to save water from washing hands after using the toilet?

1/5/2009 12:22:32 AM

good job captain planet

1/5/2009 12:24:55 AM

I read that this is how all toilets in Japan are.

1/5/2009 12:26:11 AM

Well, it's how most western style toilets are in Japan(the rest are just holes in the floor). Cheapest thing I could find here in the states was $100. Seems to me it's the type of thing that should come standard.(along with british-style siphon valves, toilet fails altogether instead of just leaking for months) if Americans are really concerned with this sort of thing.



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Here's my new idea though. What if the above product had a button that pressed down on the fill valve float below it? Then the sink wouldn't just be timed, and could be used as an actual sink.

I've yet to see how the soap affects the life of the flapper(or siphon diaphragm, in the european case).

Also, the lip around the flapper prevents the last half inch of water from draining from the tank, which is why toilets on well water collect mud down there.

One more problem is that without the full pressure of that little hose, the toilet bowl doesn't rinse as well. The hole in the sink drains into the fill tube, but it has zero pressure. Of course, conventional home toilets are pretty stupid anyway, since you take line pressure (20+ psi?) fill a tank six inches above the bowl, and let only gravity do the flushing.

[Edited on January 5, 2009 at 12:46 AM. Reason : .]

1/5/2009 12:34:03 AM

Tokyo Airport

1/5/2009 4:06:42 AM

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"Of course, conventional home toilets are pretty stupid anyway, since you take line pressure (20+ psi?) fill a tank six inches above the bowl, and let only gravity do the flushing."

i've always wondered about this

i'm glad that i'm not the only one

1/5/2009 4:09:19 AM

wolfwebbers never cease to amaze me with how little they have going on in their lives.

1/5/2009 7:13:09 AM

BobbyDigital never ceases to amaze me with how much time he spends putting down other wolfwebbers because he thinks he is far superior.

1/5/2009 7:23:42 AM

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"I've yet to see how the soap affects the life of the flapper(or siphon diaphragm, in the european case). "

massive buildup of organic solids. if you like cleaning your tank, go ahead.

1/5/2009 10:01:01 AM

Nice little setup. Makes perfect sense. It'd be a little weird having to straddle the toilet to wash your hands, though.

In using it, is that enough water to actually get the soap off your hands? Seems like that little stream wouldn't be all that effective. But I guess a lot of water flows through it, so it might just take a few seconds longer than the regular sink...

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"Here's my new idea though. What if the above product had a button that pressed down on the fill valve float below it? Then the sink wouldn't just be timed, and could be used as an actual sink."

But once the tank is full to its proper state, using any more water from the fill-line wouldn't save you any water (compared to using the regular sink). And you'd have to set up an overflow system to get rid of all that extra water you're using so you don't overflow the tank.
And once you start using it as a regular sink, your girlfriend will wash a bunch of hair down that sink, too, and you'll just have one more drain to unclog.


[Edited on January 5, 2009 at 10:15 AM. Reason : ]

1/5/2009 10:09:47 AM

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" In using it, is that enough water to actually get the soap off your hands? Seems like that little stream wouldn't be all that effective. But I guess a lot of water flows through it, so it might just take a few seconds longer than the regular sink..."

Very strong flow, much better than those crappy sinks in wal-marts and sports arenas. In my toilet I get 40 secs of wash time. This could be increased if a sort of clip-on washer was placed around the fill valve tank outlet to reduce the flow of water into the tank.

In regards to buildup, I was drunk last night. The flapper won't be affected. All the water from the sink drains into the overflow tube, which goes directly to the bowl. (The tank feeds from a separate spot on the fill valve, the only purpose of the hose that runs to the sink is usually to raise the water level in the bowl and prevent gas seepage.)

If excess water is run in the sink, it will continue to flow down the overflow into the bowl as usual. Of course, at the same time, the fill valve would introduce water to the tank as well, but it would just overflow over the overflow pipe(a slight waste, still less than running a regular sink wide open). This will raise the bowl water level slightly, but not be a fast enough flow to trigger a siphon flush. Instead it will just leak down the drain and the water level will go back to its usual level. The only point of all of this would be to eliminate the bathroom sink entirely in very small bathrooms.

Also, if you're considering buying the $100 product above, it got a terrible review on amazon for an obvious flaw. The drain hole is much too small. The supply line is very small, yes, but it's also under pressure. The drain must be a bigger hose since it is not.

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So the advantages:
Water reuse.
Not touching the sink faucet with dirty hands.
Ease of installation(two hoses, one of which most people install incorrectly anyway---v).
Eliminate the possibility of run-on siphon action(A common toilet problem, if you push the fill hose too far in the overflow tube, it will siphon from the tank to the bowl.) Back siphoning into the water supply is still a possibility, but all fill valves have protection against that now anyway.

Disadvantages:
No hot water. (But honestly I never wait for hot water when washing my hands anyway, and the temperature of hot water is insufficient to kill bacteria, only loosen dirt.)
Foreign objects in toilet. (needs a screen on the drain)
Lack of bowl rinse pressure. (needs a T in the line, one half going to the sink, one to the overflow tube as usual. I had to turn down my pressure at the wall anyway.)

I have a small mountain of stainless steel sitting around, I'll fabricate something when I get the chance.

[Edited on January 5, 2009 at 10:49 AM. Reason : .]

1/5/2009 10:36:13 AM

My own quote:

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"Quote : "Here's my new idea though. What if the above product had a button that pressed down on the fill valve float below it? Then the sink wouldn't just be timed, and could be used as an actual sink." But once the tank is full to its proper state, using any more water from the fill-line wouldn't save you any water (compared to using the regular sink). And you'd have to set up an overflow system to get rid of all that extra water you're using so you don't overflow the tank. And once you start using it as a regular sink, your girlfriend will wash a bunch of hair down that sink, too, and you'll just have one more drain to unclog. "

Seems that I forgot that toilets have overflows built in to them, of course. So nevermind to that part of the complaint...

1/5/2009 11:16:44 AM

1/5/2009 12:32:09 PM

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"Of course, conventional home toilets are pretty stupid anyway, since you take line pressure (20+ psi?) fill a tank six inches above the bowl, and let only gravity do the flushing."

not the newer ones

they actually send most of the water down through that little hole below the waterline (not where the shit goes)

that creates a vacuum effect which sucks everything down and out; it has more flushing power with less water

1/5/2009 2:36:00 PM

You just described a conventional gravity fed toilet:

That little hole has been a standard feature for decades, as far as I know.

What you were probably thinking of is a pressure assisted toilet, usually found in low traffic commercial buildings:

I've yet to see one in a home(they're very loud), but then again I have poor acquaintances.

1/5/2009 4:59:18 PM

well i live in an apartment complex built in 97, id love to have the small hole

i clog that trailer toilet every time

1/5/2009 7:09:01 PM

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"BobbyDigital never ceases to amaze me with how much time he spends putting down other wolfwebbers because he thinks he is far superior."

yeah must have taken an eternity to type out the 16 words in his post.

evan never ceases to amaze me with how much useless self-important bullshit spews out of his mouth. talk about mother fucking kettle/pot

1/5/2009 11:42:54 PM

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"BobbyDigital never ceases to amaze me with how much time he spends putting down other wolfwebbers because he thinks he is far superior."

this is true...though i think he's been more of an ass over the past 6 months than i remember him being before that

i think most mods usually succumb to asshole tendencies eventually...not all, but most

*shrug*

1/6/2009 8:59:20 AM

^^^ Cadet III Toilet. The one with a 10/10 rating at Home Depot.

Its gets the job done every time for $150

1/6/2009 9:24:43 PM

^+1
I just ordered one of those sinks for my cadet 3

1/7/2009 1:17:46 AM