"You been served!"

I'm watching the Republican convention and I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone. All this talk of service and reform, it's as if they've forgoten they have been in power for seven of the last eight years.

Doesn't anyone remember that when Bush got elected there were Republican majorities in both houses, and a Republican president. They had all the opportunity they needed for reform and they fucked it up to the point they lost Congress to the Democrats. Now they are all up and jumpin' on the reform train.

McCain has been in Washington for 26 years. For seven years Bush served up the middle class and the environment to big business, and things have never been so fucked up - senseless wars, health care mess, foreclosures, gas prices, the list goes on. I can't think of a damn thing that Bush has done right. And now McCain talks of reform.

It's as if they've forgoten what they are reforming - seven years of fucked up Republican rule ... I hope the American public doesn't catch on ....

/rant

/Start: Excuses & Justification ....

9/3/2008 9:32:33 PM

look here, brother, Hate Week is for all goodthinkers. Don't persist in oldthinkful ways. MiniLove may find you guilty of crimethink. and that would be doubleplusungood.

McCain/Palin 08. For the Country.





[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 9:46 PM. Reason : ]

9/3/2008 9:43:36 PM

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"For seven years Bush served up the middle class and the environment to big business, and things have never been so fucked up - senseless wars, health care mess, foreclosures, gas prices, the list goes on. "

wow.


Well the dems voted along for the war. ANd in 06 the dems took control of congress with promises to lower gas prices. That didnt work out so well either.

What is the healthcare mess that is the presidents fault? And what do you think is the fix?

9/3/2008 9:50:36 PM

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"What is the healthcare mess that is the presidents fault?"

relaxing controls on the medical insurance industry for one.

grossly misplacing our national priorities for two.

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"And what do you think is the fix?"

single payer system?

mandated coverage for all children?

i dont know?

somethings got to be better than what we've got. people are DYING from preventable diseases, while masses clog up emergency rooms of regional trauma centers to get their primary care needs addressed.

the system is a mess. no george didnt break it, but hes done nothing to fix it, and has handed more control to the ones who fucked it up in the first place



[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 9:56 PM. Reason : ]

9/3/2008 9:52:38 PM

I wasnt aware making sure you had your hair pills and viagra was a national priority.

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"and things have never been so fucked up"

Im so sick of hearing this. Gain some perspective.

9/3/2008 9:56:53 PM

what? red herring much? that you can't stick to the subject, only shows that you've got nothing.

9/3/2008 9:58:26 PM

They did some good shit in the 90s with clinton and got complacent. Then they started sucking religious cock for votes and it ends up fucking everything.

You can be guaranteed the democrats are going to increase your taxes and fuck up the economy.
The republicans were supposed to be the party of small government and less involvement in business and personal affairs. But they seemed to have followed the democrats in voting to meddle in the economy and combined that with the "moral values" of the far right.

So you end up with a party that raises taxes for subsidies and then fucks with your personal life. They've pretty much done a 180 from where they're supposed to be.

Really we all lose because the alternative party sucks just as much. The best we can hope for is a significant republican majority in congress and a dem prez. Deadlock beats increasing the size of the fed.

9/3/2008 9:58:33 PM

we'll have a dem prez and dem congress for 2 years. then the republicans will regroup and take one or both houses of the congress in 2010.

so we'll have 2 years to undo the damage of 6.

9/3/2008 10:01:33 PM

right joe. You see that edit button, i didnt see the rest of your post. Clearly I know nothing about healthcare, since I work in that industry.

You guys cant seem to get over healthcare and health insurance. You need to learn to seperate the two.

Or help us get closer to bankrupt this country by adding some more entitlements we cant fund, but sounds good to get elected.

[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 10:03 PM. Reason : .]

9/3/2008 10:02:00 PM

go join the military and then come back and make a thread like this again you filthy scumbag.

9/3/2008 10:05:48 PM

I am on the verge to converting to the Obama camp. Worst case we have 4 years of Obama counter-productive economic polices. At least Tyrone will be happy he can put spinners on this cutlass with his lowered tax liability and will have UHC for his 5 kids who live with his baby's mama. At this point in 2012 maybe the GOP will finally have waken the fuck up and decide to revert to their traditional roots. Actually picking a ticket that follows through on fiscal conservatism w/o pandering to big business or legislating morality.

9/3/2008 10:09:16 PM

^^ i was in the military, and you weren't, troll.

now go jack off to your Honcho mags some more, please.



^ you and Tyrone's spinners. i swear to gawd you need to let go. anyhow, poor people don't pay taxes, and havent paid any income taxes since income taxes were created in the early 20th century. ... haven't you heard? christalready, keep up will ya?

or ... are you against tax breaks for the working-class?? because that's what Obamas economic plan provides.

and yes, "tyrones" babies should *absolutely* have healthcare. are you some kind of baby-hater? or do you only hate the nigger babies?







[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 10:18 PM. Reason : ]

9/3/2008 10:09:38 PM

When "service" becomes "serve us"...

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""What is it about George W. Bush that makes you want to serve him?""

This is a question interviewees were asked at the Justice Department under Gonzalez (see message_topic.aspx?topic=466825&page=3).

I've never had the desire to serve Bush or any other President. I have felt the desire to serve the country.

Unfortunately, I have a hard time seeing McCain (or Obama, really) as any less narcissistic.

9/3/2008 10:10:10 PM

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"You can be guaranteed the democrats are going to increase your taxes and fuck up the economy."

This is one of those, "if you say something enough it is taken as a given and you don't need any proof" statements.

The economy has always done better under democratic presidents:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2005_05/006282.php

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"go join the military and then come back and make a thread like this again you filthy scumbag."

Is this an argument for something, or just name calling? ...

[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 10:15 PM. Reason : *~<]Bo]

9/3/2008 10:12:39 PM

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"you and Tyrone's spinners. i swear to gawd you need to let go. anyhow, poor people don't pay taxes, haven't you heard?"

Well somehow according to Obama's war machine he is giving his largest tax cut to the <15K bracket. This is beyond me since from my knowledge their tax liability is approx 0%! Fuck it though i said i may be converting over; thought you'd be rooting schmoe

9/3/2008 10:14:41 PM

HUR, if you are a libertarian.. it sounds like you are, you think obama is actually going to put more economic freedom on the table for the people???

9/3/2008 10:15:06 PM

^^ i dont know the exact numbers, but i think there is some point under 15K that a single person will have some tax liablity.

not much, and obama will reduce it whatever the number is. im just happy to hear that 100-150K bracket will have their taxes reduced.

im all for tax cuts for the average middle class, you see. and Barack jives with that too.

9/3/2008 10:17:26 PM

Junior O’Daniel: A lot of people like that reform. Maybe we should get us some.
Pappy O”Daniel: I’ll reform you, you soft-headed son of a bitch. How we gonna run reform when we’re the damn incumbent? Is that the best idea you boys can come up with? Reform?! Weepin’ jesus on the cross. That’s it! You may as well start drafting my concession speach right now.

9/3/2008 10:18:58 PM

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"HUR, if you are a libertarian.. it sounds like you are, you think obama is actually going to put more economic freedom on the table for the people???"

No but I find it better than risking my social freedoms depending on the power Mrs. Palin takes as VP (cheney proved how powerful the position can be) and how far McCain tries to appease the social conservatives. As well as continued beneficial treatment of Big Oil.

As I said above; worst case obama is ousted in 2012. The GOP learns from their mistakes and moves back to its roots with a platform someone like me a libertarian can approve.

Say NO to



Obama 08

9/3/2008 10:23:51 PM

I thought this thread was going to be about the troops.

9/3/2008 10:29:20 PM

sorry bobo, the economy has always done well with a dem president and republican congress. It has always done the worse when dems have both.

9/3/2008 10:35:43 PM

^ At least I cited some data. Please to do the same?

9/3/2008 10:37:03 PM

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"we'll have a dem prez and dem congress for 2 years. then the republicans will regroup and take one or both houses of the congress in 2010. so we'll have 2 years to undo the damage of 6. "

More like 2 years to inflict new damages. I dont understand how in the fuck you can look at the republicans holding both branches of government and then turn around and say the democrats are gonna fix shit.

9/3/2008 10:37:36 PM

What we need to do...

What the American people need to do to drag us out of this shithole we got ourselves in...


Let's think about the circumstances.
We hate the job the Republicans did.
We hate the job the Democrats did.

But yet somehow, as voters we've pretty much guaranteed that we'll elect one of them back into power.

Vote every one of those assclowns out. That's how to fix our problems.

9/3/2008 10:39:11 PM

another fucking thing that makes me want to seriously kill people is whenever people talk about the tax plans of the motherfucking executive branch.


They dont make the fucking laws. How in the mother fuck is the president going to decrease your taxes. Democrats managed to vote to continue the war so why do you think they're going to vote to give themselves less money?

9/3/2008 10:41:10 PM

^ um, the Executive submits a budget and the Congress approves it. after they hammer out differences and advocate back and forth on key details, of course ... what? you don't know this?

and generally speaking the democrats have done a pretty good job when they've had power. i will agree that 40 years of consecutive rule like the Dems had with the House was too much. thats when corruption and complacency sets in. but if anyone's got that problem now, its the Republicans.

it's time for a complete overhaul. and with Palin imploding the already crumbly McCain campaign, its a sure bet.




and... btw, welcome aboard, HUR. even if only for a moment.







[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 10:58 PM. Reason : ]

9/3/2008 10:51:04 PM

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"They dont make the fucking laws. How in the mother fuck is the president going to decrease your taxes. Democrats managed to vote to continue the war so why do"

President has power of veto. VP is president of the senate. Lastly the president through the party whip can "heavily encourage" legislators of his party (and to a point the opposite party) in sway of his views.

9/3/2008 10:57:03 PM

Congress has final say on all budget related maters. The president can suggest a budget, but the congress doesn't have to pass it.

And going back to my other point. The dems have had plenty of opportunities to decrease the budget by ending the war. But they voted for it every time.

So again let me ask you.


The democrats have already voted to continue a war they are supposed to be against. Why will that change with a dem pres? Especially when their candidate has gone back on his immediate troop pullout plan.

I am not trying to defend the republicans at all here. I am trying to understand why you want to give the reigns over to a party we already know wont do fuckall in our interest?

9/3/2008 11:12:27 PM

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"The dems have had plenty of opportunities to decrease the budget by ending the war. But they voted for it every time."

After Bush getting us into a war under false pretenses, I can't understand why the Democrats are getting shat on for continuing to fund it, and not hanging the troops out to dry ....

9/3/2008 11:23:44 PM

Damned if you do damned if you don't. Had dems simply pulled the plugs they would have been blasted for leaving Iraq in despair and letting the deaths of our troops end in vain. Then when Iraq went rogue or unstable they would have gotten the blame. If they didn't withdrawal they are accused by the liberals and anti-war activists for not doing enough to get us out. The GOP than claims they obviously are not that against the war since they continue to fund it.

9/3/2008 11:30:37 PM

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"sorry bobo, the economy has always done well with a dem president and republican congress. It has always done the worse when dems have both."

I hope you realize that except for the last 6 years of Clinton, the Dems have always controlled congress under a democratic presidency.

The proof is in the pie. All except for the top 5%, everyone does better under a Democratic presidency and that top 5% does the exact same.

9/3/2008 11:33:11 PM

Does it really matter who is in charge? (dems or repubs)

You are going to get fucked coming and going either way

9/3/2008 11:42:01 PM

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"After Bush getting us into a war under false pretenses, I can't understand why the Democrats are getting shat on for continuing to fund it, and not hanging the troops out to dry .... "

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"Damned if you do damned if you don't. Had dems simply pulled the plugs they would have been blasted for leaving Iraq in despair and letting the deaths of our troops end in vain. Then when Iraq went rogue or unstable they would have gotten the blame. If they didn't withdrawal they are accused by the liberals and anti-war activists for not doing enough to get us out. The GOP than claims they obviously are not that against the war since they continue to fund it. "

First off the soldiers aren't gonna be fucked by pulling the plug. If the dems had stuck to their guns and killed the funding, the troops would have had plenty of time to pull out. Its not like they were going to stop all funding all of a sudden, they just needed to stop new funding.

But you are both missing my point. The democrats won back their majority by campaigning that they were going to end the war. That was the biggest issue. And they didn't do shit to stop it. They said they'd stop the warantless wiretapping. They didn't stop it.

So now we get more and more promises and again you're just eating that shit up. I'm not telling you to vote for john mccain. I'm telling you to first realize that the democrats aren't any better and secondly that the congress has far far far more power than the president and is where our attention and efforts to change the system should be focused.

9/3/2008 11:46:05 PM

Bob Barr is my new friend.

9/4/2008 10:42:13 AM

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"i will agree that 40 years of consecutive rule like the Dems had with the House was too much. thats when corruption and complacency sets in"

Corruption is bipartisan. What allows for corruption is the concentration of power. This is the case with our present-day federal government, which has accrued additional power at an egregious rate since FDR. Where there is a concentration of power, so too will there be corruption.

For those advocating the Federal government take an even greater role in our daily lives, whether it be choosing our health care, retirement or how much of our production we can keep, be careful what you wish for. It’s no coincidence that the number of lobbyists has increased with the number of funds appropriated to the federal government. No amount of ethics reforms will subdue this trend. The only way to break the trend is to devolve the power back to the states and local governments.

For those advocating wider redistribution of income, why can this not be done on a state or local level? Why not have 50 test labs for policy rather than force down a one-size-fits-all approach that is vastly inefficient, wasteful and extremely difficult to scale back if necessary?

Again, this has been a bipartisan problem, but that does not mean an outlier cannot reverse the trend. Stripping away their political affiliation, which candidate has a record of fiscal discipline? Which candidate has been unapologetic about increasing the role the Federal government plays in our lives?

[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 2:20 PM. Reason : .]

9/4/2008 2:19:28 PM

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"joe_schmoe: "What is the healthcare mess that is the presidents fault?" relaxing controls on the medical insurance industry for one."

How so?

9/4/2008 5:34:23 PM

wow.


Well the dems voted along for the war. ANd in 06 the dems took control of congress with promises to lower gas prices. That didnt work out so well either.

What is the healthcare mess that is the presidents fault? And what do you think is the fix?

9/4/2008 6:05:21 PM

Same story...

YOU can't take care of yourself. YOU can't provide for your family. YOU can't be responsible enough to maintain a family budget and prioritize things such as healthcare.

Government needs to do all of this for you.

9/4/2008 6:33:58 PM

^ Spout something other than the party line? ... The economy always does better under Democratic presidents .... and Democrats handle their business just fine thank you ...

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2005_05/006282.php

One last thing on the hypocracy front:

Can you imagine what would have happened if Obama decided to paraded a pregnant 17 year old unmarried girl accross the stage during the Democratic convention (let alone his daughter)?

"Typical liberal values", "No sense of shame", "That's what happens when you take God out of the schools", etc. ... Rush would have spent an hour and a half on that.

The Democrats have always been more gracious (accepting?) ....

[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 7:09 PM. Reason : *~<]Bo]

9/4/2008 6:58:53 PM

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"Can you imagine what would have happened if Obama decided to paraded a pregnant 17 year old unmarried girl accross the stage during the Democratic convention (let alone his daughter)?"

I can't imagine that at all...probably because that baby would've been long since aborted if it was Obama's daughter

9/4/2008 7:08:36 PM

^ This is the peak of hypocracy. There are a ton of unmarried 17 year olds out there with babys, and religious right has never turned them into heros because they didn't abort. They've always used them as a symbol of "Godless Liberal Culture".

9/4/2008 7:15:06 PM

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"There are a ton of unmarried 17 year olds out there with babys, and religious right has never turned them into heros because they didn't abort"

maybe so, but they definitely look more favorably on them than they would if an unmarried pregnant 17 year old got an abortion

9/4/2008 7:25:43 PM

^ (Is it me, or is this guy just clueless? Did he completely miss the point?) ...

9/4/2008 7:28:40 PM

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"The economy always does better under Democratic presidents"

Like with any statistical analysis, you cannot suggest correlation translates to causation without an underlying economic reasoning. If you can suggest, for instance, that raising corporate and capital gains taxes actually increases economic activity, then this analysis might have merit. But since there is no apparent economic reasoning to support the data analysis, you cannot validly assert that democratic policies are better for the economy. This is no different from suggesting that stock returns are higher during the week of a full moon simply because there exist a correlation.

[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 7:35 PM. Reason : ,]

9/4/2008 7:34:42 PM