This guy is brilliant. Very good read.
6/10/2008 9:16:15 AM
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6/10/2008 9:17:27 AM
I wonder if there is a link I could follow that would prove this to be real or fake.
6/10/2008 9:18:10 AM
gg Oeuvre,i read this about 2 or 3 months agograde A classicoh and nutsmackr learn to use google. wow. omg classic liberal can't do anything himself
6/10/2008 9:27:33 AM
my father-in-law sent this to me today. It really was a good read.Fine, I'll link it.http://boortz.com/more/commencement.html[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 9:29 AM. Reason : .][Edited on June 10, 2008 at 9:42 AM. Reason : .]
6/10/2008 9:28:06 AM
No, this speech has never been delivered at a college or a university. figured i should mention that b4 nutx5m4x0r started a 20 post rampage discrediting it. lol
6/10/2008 9:38:26 AM
oh, lol. Haha. Damn. Nonetheless, it's a great piece of writing.
6/10/2008 9:42:03 AM
Yeh, I was going to post it months ago. But I honestly wish you would delete itThere's so much good stuff in here I didn't want ppl to hear about it. oh well.
6/10/2008 9:45:00 AM
way too much truth in there for most of TSB
6/10/2008 9:53:06 AM
6/10/2008 10:01:22 AM
good thing old Sojourner escaped on her own instead of waiting for the government to take care of things for her
6/10/2008 10:02:48 AM
a very good thing
6/10/2008 10:04:01 AM
good stuff, sums up nicely why I'm a libertarian, and roll my eyes at liberals
6/10/2008 10:22:59 AM
seemed pretty condescending to basically give the libertarian credo for a college graduation.
6/10/2008 10:24:28 AM
i stopped reading after the circle jerk crackdown on typical stereotypes started with liberal teachers and so forth. i was hoping to read something besides political rancor in that speech. sadly you let me down O.neal boortz offers nothing special. and yes his fair tax is ridiculous too. there i said it.
6/10/2008 10:28:51 AM
6/10/2008 10:29:46 AM
my mom listens to neal boortz on the radio at night. she calls me once a week with a falsehood (generally about obama) that she heard on that show. what a standup guy he is.
6/10/2008 10:30:51 AM
so? some anecdotal evidence about your mom doesnt change the truth of that commencement speech
6/10/2008 10:32:51 AM
what about this?me:
6/10/2008 10:34:57 AM
^ you do realize that those professors teach because they HAVE to, right? They're at the university for the research, and teaching is the annoyance they have to put up with to do it. The cutting edge research professors are few and far in between as a ratio of all professors and lecturers.
6/10/2008 10:40:01 AM
^^i guess you're just not ready for the raw truth in insensitivity[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 10:40 AM. Reason : .]
6/10/2008 10:40:48 AM
6/10/2008 10:41:23 AM
^^how so? because i don't accept a radio hack's word as gospel?
6/10/2008 10:42:34 AM
how long have you "had a job in the real world" sarijoul? maybe not long enough...or is your profile correct in saying you're still a grad student?
6/10/2008 10:44:38 AM
^^ you should.They live off of your hard work.
6/10/2008 10:45:06 AM
^^why has it "not been long enough"? because i'm not a libertarian?
6/10/2008 10:46:36 AM
Boortz mentions in that speech that you might have to be "out in the real world" for 10 years to realize some of these things...so I was just curious sarijoul as to how long you personally have been working a full time job
6/10/2008 10:50:33 AM
because this personalizing of the argument does something?oh yeah it steers the conversation off course like normal.of course i haven't worked a full-time job for 10 years. but using the defense of "you just wouldn't understand" is usually just to hide not having a real argument.[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 10:57 AM. Reason : .]
6/10/2008 10:57:07 AM
i'm asking you something directly related to the article that this thread is about...Boortz claims some people wouldn't understand "the real world" without enough exposure...I think you can often make a clear separation of the people, at least in TSB, who have worked long enough, versus those who haven't, and see different ideologies...I'm trying to apply that in this case...I don't understand why you're so hesitant to answer such a simple and straightforward question...how long sarijoul? 3 years? 6 years? 0 years?]
6/10/2008 10:59:04 AM
it depends on what you mean by the "real world"i've had a job that has paid all my bills for 4 years now. (before that, some money to live was taken from college money, though i still had a part-time job throughout undergrad)but i'm working in the ivory tower that is ncsuare my opinions invalidated now?[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 11:02 AM. Reason : .]
6/10/2008 11:01:51 AM
in the last 4 years, have you noticed that any of your views on working, taxes, hard work, etc have changed as a result of you working that job? also just out of curiosity, how much of your time per week is spent working versus doing school related things? obviously students who work part time can't usually work 40 hour weeks, but I'm just curious as to how long you've been in the cycle of work all the time, pay taxes, work, etc
6/10/2008 11:04:04 AM
i don't technically have a "full-time" job right now. but since i do work that is valued, i get paid decently enough to live at half-time.that said, i generally work 40 hrs/week easily (on non-class related things).so again. my opinion is going to be invalidated now?
6/10/2008 11:06:49 AM
so defensivei'm just trying to see if theres any truth in what boortz saidi was working full time for probably 3-4 years when i started to really get it...i stopped getting the student tax credit that i got when i was working and paying my tuition...i started doing more complex things at work, making more money, and getting taxed more...i started realizing things that you dont realize until you're there]
6/10/2008 11:07:40 AM
ive always been fairly conservative so I havent changed much since graduating and working, but I can say that a lot of the people I have known to be pretty liberal during college have definitely become more conservative as they are working and living completely on their own and paying taxes etc. Its a lot harder to want to government to increase taxes and give money away when you start actually making some yourself and responsible for paying those taxes
6/10/2008 11:08:18 AM
no. i'm just sick of every thread becoming something personal with you.and just for clarification: i've been paying for myself/paying taxes for ~6 years now.^^and i say: according to boortz, my opinion is invalidated now.[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 11:09 AM. Reason : .]
6/10/2008 11:08:21 AM
i've been paying my own taxes for 10 years, whoopty shityou're acting like your own personal life isnt integral in formulating your opinions and that its therefore off limits]
6/10/2008 11:10:56 AM
my life is certainly impacting my decisions. it doesn't make my opinions any less valid.
6/10/2008 11:11:23 AM
i've never been to china, but that doesnt make my opinions about china any less valid
6/10/2008 11:12:30 AM
so what's your point of bringing my life into this?
6/10/2008 11:12:59 AM
holy mother of god you're defensivehow fucking tactful do i have to be to ask you a question without you pitching a shit fit about it? jesus christ dudei try to walk on eggshells and you still give me shit]
6/10/2008 11:15:12 AM
he needs his 'supportive humanity gaggle' to come defend him now. lol when nobody shows up
6/10/2008 11:17:08 AM
There is no point in having this argument. furthermore, how do you expect him to not take it personally when ask him a personal question.Enjoy the circle-jerk thread.
6/10/2008 11:24:01 AM
boortz is the man.
6/10/2008 11:25:12 AM
^^dont' worry nvT5m4kkk3r, we don't expect you to understand anything in this thread. just keep begging for a free hand-out government. you'll show us then!!!111[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 11:28 AM. Reason : ^^]
6/10/2008 11:27:53 AM
it's an honest question: what point are you making by bringing my life into this. i answered your questions.
6/10/2008 11:35:07 AM
you're the one who brought up your momif you're so unwilling to discuss the topic, why are you in the thread?
6/10/2008 11:36:45 AM
^^ I think he's implying that you don't have the life experience required to see things from Boortz's perspective. This would be in line with what Boortz himself said in his speech.[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 11:37 AM. Reason : asdf]
6/10/2008 11:36:52 AM
i answered your question. now answer mine: what's the point?^and as i brought up earlier, that's a cop-out. it's an impossible point to refute and therefore pointless to bring up in the first place.[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 11:39 AM. Reason : .]
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