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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRV8Q9IBDxk

What a maverick!

4/15/2008 12:04:27 PM

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McCain "Family Recipes" Lifted from the Food Network

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"On a section of McCain's site called "Cindy's Recipes," you can find seven recipes attributed to Cindy McCain, each with the heading "McCain Family Recipe." Ms. Handel quickly realized that some of the "McCain Family Recipes," were in fact, word-for-word copies of recipes on the Food Network site.

At least three of the "McCain Family Recipes" appear to be lifted directly from the Food Network, while at least one is a Rachael Ray recipe with minor changes."



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-weiner/mccain-family-recipes-lif_b_96666.html

4/15/2008 12:10:45 PM

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food network ripping off mccain family recipes. I am shocked.

4/15/2008 12:22:29 PM

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cindy mcain is pretty foxy

4/15/2008 2:06:19 PM

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This really affects his ability to govern our country.

4/15/2008 2:13:08 PM

Oeuvre
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yawn. You can have jacked recipes or:

GOD DAMN AMERICA
CLING TO RELIGION
NEVER BEEN PROUD OF AMERICA
CLING TO GUNS
CHICKENS COME HOME TO ROOST
JACKED SPEECHES
LYING UNDER OATH
WHITEWATER
MONICA GATE


I mean, I take the jacked recipes.

[Edited on April 15, 2008 at 2:15 PM. Reason : .]

4/15/2008 2:14:44 PM

sarijoul
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but what about his maverick straight talk expressness?

^or him leaving his ailing wife for a millionaire trophy wife?

[Edited on April 15, 2008 at 2:15 PM. Reason : .]

4/15/2008 2:14:59 PM

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Never lied about it. And if you could read, I didn't jump on clinton for the sex... it was the scandal behind the sex.

[Edited on April 15, 2008 at 2:16 PM. Reason : .]

4/15/2008 2:16:25 PM

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I am sure John McCain hand picked the recipes to be posted on his website.

4/15/2008 2:16:33 PM

sarijoul
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^^can't you just realize that all this crap is unimportant to governing?

4/15/2008 2:17:16 PM

Oeuvre
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I think the "cling to guns and religion" is rather important to governing. Being in touch with Americans is perhaps the most important thing.

Perjury is important.

Having racist pastors who is on your campaign staff is important



[Edited on April 15, 2008 at 2:19 PM. Reason : .]

4/15/2008 2:18:20 PM

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Can anyone else here picture the prime time TV ads running during the general election that play that audio clip of Obama's "guns & religion" comments?

4/15/2008 2:25:54 PM

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You know

The best leaders in history have actually gone against mainstream.

ahahahahahahahahaha

What am I saying

Of course you wouldn't know.

4/15/2008 2:27:12 PM

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Having racist pastors who is on your campaign staff is important"


on the campaign staff? that's a new one.

4/15/2008 2:28:58 PM

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^ hayhahahha, yeah you're right... I mean...


Krushchev, Hitler, Fidel... all the good guys. So what, HOLOCAUST isn't in the mainstream... but because it's not in the mainstream, why FUCK, lets do it!

4/15/2008 2:29:29 PM

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Krushchev is now one of the heroes of the republican right.

[Edited on April 15, 2008 at 2:39 PM. Reason : .]

4/15/2008 2:38:55 PM

Oeuvre
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THe moon landing was shot in a hollywood studio

4/15/2008 2:40:11 PM

nutsmackr
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you are the one that said that.

4/15/2008 2:41:55 PM

Oeuvre
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oh me? I took your cue and I am revising history.

[Edited on April 15, 2008 at 2:44 PM. Reason : .]

4/15/2008 2:43:55 PM

nutsmackr
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you are just ignoring the present.

4/15/2008 2:44:48 PM

Oeuvre
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Yes, I am ignoring lifted recipes posted to McCain's site.

4/15/2008 2:46:46 PM

sarijoul
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copyright infringement too, i'm sure. but whatever. he's such a maverick.

4/15/2008 2:49:14 PM

nutsmackr
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^^You are ignoring the fact that since the fall of the Soviet Union Krushchev has become some what of a martyr to your republican right.

4/15/2008 2:53:57 PM

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why do we argue about politics so much. let's just concentrate on building better power plants and new fuel technologies and this whole economy shit and partisan arguing about who can fix it will work itself out.

4/15/2008 4:32:45 PM

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"You know

The best leaders in history have actually gone against mainstream.

ahahahahahahahahaha

What am I saying

Of course you wouldn't know.

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Write in Ron Paul then

4/15/2008 9:41:00 PM

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3 cups of sugar
2 table spoons of salt
1 cup of raisins


JUST WORDS???????/

4/15/2008 10:20:04 PM

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"I think the "cling to guns and religion" is rather important to governing. Being in touch with Americans is perhaps the most important thing."


Did you heard the recording of that phrase? I don't think Obama meant what the media is asserting he meant. You should try and think for yourself sometimes.

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"Perjury is important."


Yeah, which is why no one in Bush's club ever testified under oath.

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"Having racist pastors who is on your campaign staff is important
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I don't think anyone ever actually legitimately showed he was racist. And assuming he was racist, then that would have put him squarely at odds with Obama (who is half white and was raised by his white mom and grandma, and abandoned by his black pa').

And McCain being the same as Bush, who has obviously implemented policies that have failed America from multiple fronts is pretty significant to his ability to govern.

4/15/2008 11:33:40 PM

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this guy is gonna be a tight wad and keep the war going...sounds like sucky to me

4/16/2008 2:17:23 AM

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which is worse?

Massive spending on a war that no one likes and doesn't benefit us, or massive spending on universal healthcare that everyone likes, and benefits everyone?

4/16/2008 2:18:52 AM

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are the dems gonna be able to pass that even if they get elected? would they have enough votes?

4/16/2008 2:21:13 AM

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Well if dems can only get some healthcare reform done as a part of the regular budget, thats still better than reps not including war funding in the regular budget, waiting to the last minute, and then being sensationalist about if you don't give us this emergency funding congress then you are all bad people who hate america. I mean a dems social positions with some constraints on their spending actually lines up with where I think a lot of Americans values are.

McCain is more than just stolen recipes.

4/16/2008 6:41:25 AM

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check out this article

obama sounds like the wounded prisoner of ancient wars.. not mccain

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/14/AR2008041402633_pf.html


they even gave mccain his favorite food... donuts! obama was defensive and cold.

and he's lost his lead in the polls nationally

4/16/2008 8:35:00 AM

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"I’ve made it very clear, I’ve made it very clear in my statements and in my support of the Detainee Treatment Act, the Geneva Conventions, etc., that there may be some additional techniques to be used, but none of those would violate the Geneva Conventions, the Detainee Treatment Act...And we cannot ever, in my view, torture any American, that includes waterboarding."


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"As he did today, McCain has condemned waterboarding in the past. He has called it a “horrible torture technique” and a “terrible and odious practice” that “should never be condoned in the U.S.” Yet in February, McCain voted against a bill banning the CIA from using torture, specifically including waterboarding.

When the bill passed, McCain encouraged Bush to veto it
— effectively supporting the CIA’s use of “stress positions, hypothermia, threats to the detainee and his family, severe sleep deprivation, and severe sensory deprivation.” "

STRAIGHT TALK!!!

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"Last night in the Republican debate Tim Russert asked John McCain about a statement he’d made:

"I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated."

McCain pretended he’d never said any such thing:

"I don’t know where you got that quote from, I’m very well versed in economics."


Except that he had said it. Russert plucked the statement from this 2005 puff piece on McCain in the WSJ:

On a broader range of economic issues, though, Mr. McCain readily departs from Reaganomics. His philosophy is best described as a work in progress. He is refreshingly blunt when he tell me: "I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated.""

STRAIGHT TALK!!!!

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" Q: "What about grants for sex education in the United States? Should they include instructions about using contraceptives? Or should it be Bush’s policy, which is just abstinence?"

Mr. McCain: (Long pause) "Ahhh. I think I support the president’s policy."

Q: "So no contraception, no counseling on contraception. Just abstinence. Do you think contraceptives help stop the spread of HIV?"

Mr. McCain: (Long pause) "You’ve stumped me."


Q: "I mean, I think you’d probably agree it probably does help stop it?"

Mr. McCain: (Laughs) "Are we on the Straight Talk express? I’m not informed enough on it. Let me find out. You know, I’m sure I’ve taken a position on it on the past. I have to find out what my position was. Brian, would you find out what my position is on contraception – I’m sure I’m opposed to government spending on it, I’m sure I support the president’s policies on it."

Q: "But you would agree that condoms do stop the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. Would you say: ‘No, we’re not going to distribute them,’ knowing that?"

Mr. McCain: (Twelve-second pause) "Get me Coburn’s thing, ask Weaver to get me Coburn’s paper that he just gave me in the last couple of days. I’ve never gotten into these issues before." "

STRAAAAAIGHT TALLLLKKK!!!!

4/16/2008 9:17:01 AM

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" they even gave mccain his favorite food... donuts! obama was defensive and cold.

and he's lost his lead in the polls nationally

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huh?

They said "OBAMA bin laden" you don't think that's going to kill his buzz some?

^ To be honest, McCain hasn't been touting the "straight talk" line too much recently. At least he's not delusional about his spineless pandering.

4/17/2008 1:11:59 AM

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This is from McCain talking to Chris Matthews yesterday.

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"CM: Do you disagree with [George Bush] on torture?

JM: Absolutely, and could I take a few seconds on that, because I think it's important, because I think it's what America is all about, and what kind of country we are. We should never ever torture anyone who's in the custody of the United States of America, because... because the struggle we're in with radical Islamic extremism, which is going to be with us for... decades, and that is that it's a military/diplomatic/intelligence and ideological struggle. If we're not any better than our enemies, then doesn't [it] make it harder for young people to choose? I was in Baghdad over Thanksgiving last year, I met with a high-ranking member, former high-ranking member of Al-Queda. I asked him I said, "How did you do so well after the initial military success that the Americans and the [forces deleted] had? He said, "two things, one, was the lawlessness that [existed] in the environment after the Americans and [forces deleted] won the military victory," he said, "but the second was Abu Ghraib," he said, "Abu Grhaib is my greatest recruiting tool." So my point is that for the future of this country, we have to make sure that we remain a nation that does not do things that our enemies do. And I promise you, my friends I'll close Guantanamo Bay, and we will never torture another person in our custody again."


He opposed Dianne Feinstein's legislation because it specifically banned the CIA from using any enhanced interrogation techniques, even those that don't fit most people's definition of torture. In his mind, waterboarding and other forms of torture are already illegal based on the 2006 Detainee Treatment Act, a bill he wrote and sponsored. He has been consistent in opposing torture, but stating that the CIA's interrogators be allowed to use different techniques than the military.

Honestly, McCain has been one of the most consistent, vocal opponents of torture in Congress. He also reiterated his opposition to all forms of torture during the primary debates, despite the boos he drew. Without his determined stance, we wouldn't even have the Detainee Treatment Act in place right now. Find something else to complain about.


[Edited on April 17, 2008 at 2:21 AM. Reason : 1]

4/17/2008 2:18:56 AM

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"Republicans are no longer underdogs in the race for the White House. To pull that off, John McCain has attracted disgruntled GOP voters, independents and even some moderate Democrats who shunned his party last fall.

Partly thanks to an increasingly likable image, the Republican presidential candidate has pulled even with the two Democrats still brawling for their party’s nomination, according to an Associated Press-Yahoo news poll released Thursday. Just five months ago — before either party had winnowed its field — the survey showed people preferred sending an unnamed Democrat over a Republican to the White House by 13 percentage points.

Of those who have moved toward McCain, about two-thirds voted for President Bush in 2004 but are now unhappy with him, including many independents who lean Republican. The remaining one-third usually support Democrats but like McCain anyway.

Also helping the Arizona senator close the gap: Peoples’ opinions of Hillary Rodham Clinton have soured slightly, while their views of Barack Obama have improved though less impressively than McCain’s.

The survey suggests that those switching to McCain are largely attuned to his personal qualities and McCain may be benefiting as the two Democrats snipe at each other during their prolonged nomination fight.

David Mason of Richmond, Va., is typical of the voters McCain has gained since last November, when the 46-year-old personal trainer was undecided. Mason calls himself an independent and voted in 2004 for President Bush, whom he considers a strong leader but a disappointment due to the “no-win situation” in Iraq.

“It’s not that I’m that much in favor of McCain, it’s the other two are turning me off,” Mason said of Clinton and Obama, the senators from New York and Illinois, in explaining his move toward McCain. As for the Republican’s experiences as a Vietnam War prisoner and in the Senate, Mason said, “All he’s been through is an asset.”

By tracking the same group of roughly 2,000 people throughout the campaign, the AP-Yahoo poll can gauge how individual views are evolving. What’s clear is that some Republican-leaning voters who backed Bush in 2004 but lost enthusiasm for him are returning to the GOP fold — along with a smaller but significant number of Democrats who have come to dislike their party’s two contenders.

The findings of the survey, conducted by Knowledge Networks, provide a preview of one of this fall’s battlegrounds. Though some unhappy Republicans will doubtless stay with McCain, both groups are teeming with centrist swing voters who will be targeted by both parties.

The poll shows that McCain’s appeal has grown since November by more than the Democrats’ has dwindled. McCain gets about 10 percentage points more now than a generic Republican candidate got last fall; Obama and Clinton get about 5 points less than a nameless Democrat got then.

Underlining McCain’s burgeoning popularity, in November about four in 10 considered McCain likeable, decisive, strong and honest while about half do now. Obama is seen as more likeable and stronger now but his numbers for honesty and decisiveness have remained flat, while Clinton’s scores for likeability and honesty have dropped slightly.

“You can’t trust Hillary and Obama’s too young,” said Pauline Holsinger, 60, a janitorial worker in Pensacola, Fla., now backing McCain who preferred an unnamed Democrat last fall. “I like him better, he’s more knowledgeable about the war” in Iraq.

Voters at this stage in a campaign commonly focus more on candidates’ personal qualities. That usually changes as the general election approaches and they pay more attention to issues and partisan loyalty — meaning that McCain’s prospects could fade at a time when the public is deeply unhappy with the war, the staggering economy and Bush.

For now, more than one in 10 who weren’t backing the unnamed Republican candidate in last November’s survey are supporting McCain, a shift partly offset by a smaller number of former undecideds now embracing Obama or Clinton. Of those now backing McCain, about one-third did not support the generic GOP candidate last November.

Among the unhappy Bush supporters whom McCain has lured back to his campaign, about half say they are conservative, yet their views on issues are more moderate than many in the party, with some opposing the war in Iraq. They have favorable but not intensely enthusiastic views of McCain — for example, two-thirds find him likeable while far fewer find him compassionate or refreshing.

“He’s known, he’s a veteran,” said David Tucker, a retired Air Force technician from Alexandria, La., and Bush voter who was undecided last November but has ruled out Obama and Clinton. “I understand him better.”

Most of the Democratic-leaning voters now supporting McCain backed Democrat John Kerry in 2004. They are moderates who disapprove of Bush and the war in Iraq, but find McCain likeable, much more so than they did last November.

“He is more open-minded” than Obama and Clinton, said Darlene Heins, 46, a Democrat from North Brunswick, N.J., who has moved from undecided to backing McCain. “He directly answers questions, which tells me he’s listening.”

Many McCain-backing Democrats express one consistent concern about McCain — his age.

“Let’s face it, we’re not getting any younger,” said retired accountant Sheldon Rothman of Queens, N.Y., who like McCain is 71. “There are too many imponderables when you get to that age, especially with the stress of the presidency.”

Whether those now switching to McCain will stay that way once the Democrats choose a candidate is what the fall campaign will be about.

“McCain has a history of doing well with independent voters,” said GOP pollster David Winston. He said voters’ preference for an unnamed Democratic candidate but McCain’s strong performance against Obama and Clinton means “Democrats have an advantage their candidates are not taking advantage of.”

Democratic pollster Alan Secrest said the contrasting numbers mean that while the voters’ overall mood favors Democrats, they are still taking the measure of Clinton and Obama.

“The Democrats will have to earn their way this fall,” he said.

The AP-Yahoo survey of 1,844 adults was conducted from April 2-14 and had an overall margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2.3 percentage points. Included were interviews with 863 Democrats, for whom the margin of sampling error was plus or minus 3.3 points, and 668 Republicans, with a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.8 points.

The poll was conducted over the Internet by Knowledge Networks, which initially contacted people using traditional telephone polling methods and followed with online interviews. People chosen for the study who had no Internet access were given it for free.

"

4/17/2008 5:03:21 PM

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One thing I do think that McCain has over Bush is that he doesn't feel compelled to go out of his way to convey masculinity. I guess being a POW in the Vietnam era rather than settling for the National Guard means you don't carry a sense of insecurity.

4/18/2008 9:01:46 AM

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"He opposed Dianne Feinstein's legislation because it specifically banned the CIA from using any enhanced interrogation techniques, even those that don't fit most people's definition of torture. In his mind, waterboarding and other forms of torture are already illegal based on the 2006 Detainee Treatment Act, a bill he wrote and sponsored. He has been consistent in opposing torture, but stating that the CIA's interrogators be allowed to use different techniques than the military.

Honestly, McCain has been one of the most consistent, vocal opponents of torture in Congress. He also reiterated his opposition to all forms of torture during the primary debates, despite the boos he drew. Without his determined stance, we wouldn't even have the Detainee Treatment Act in place right now. Find something else to complain about.
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PrawnStar Beat me to it. The attempt by McCain's critics to make him sound like he has "flip flopped" on torture is one of the most annoying features of this race. He was worked more on this issue than possibly anyone else in congress. That isn't to mention McCain's other tireless efforts on issues like Campaign Finanace Reform and Global Warming.

[Edited on April 18, 2008 at 9:14 AM. Reason : ``]

4/18/2008 9:14:04 AM

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"which is worse?

Massive spending on a war that no one likes and doesn't benefit us, or massive spending on universal healthcare that everyone likes, and benefits everyone?"

I'd say both of them are equally abhorrent. And, don't say that massive spending on universal healthcare benefits everyone. it will benefit no one when our health care system plumets to third-world standards and our economy is destroyed to pay for more welfare queens

4/19/2008 1:08:03 AM

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welfare queens getting REALLY HEALTHY?!

i mean really. what are they going to do? go to the dentist a lot?

4/19/2008 1:23:46 AM

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I fail to see how universal healthcare would benefit "everyone". Sure, it would benefit the millions who are uninsured, but it wouldn't benefit me, and it probably wouldn't benefit most of you either.

The fundamental economics of healthcare make it ridiculously expensive in this country, no matter who administers it. We've got a lot of fat people, the highest-paid doctors in the world and a hyperactive tort system. You do the math.

4/19/2008 1:35:49 AM

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it only makes it ridiculously expensive because it can be. other countries, for instance, have non-profit insurance (or gov't insurance), that would be a big step in the right direction, i think.

4/19/2008 1:40:32 AM

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i fail to see how anyone can justify the government essentially taking over the healthcare industry.

might as well shred and burn the constitution, declaration of independence and the ideals this country was founded on.

4/19/2008 8:56:31 AM

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"Massive spending on a war that no one likes and doesn't benefit us, or massive spending on universal healthcare that everyone likes, and benefits everyone?""


A few points here.....no one likes any war, thats a given. Iraq has the possibliity of providing the many benefits to the US, but you go around painting fairytales again.....

Your argument is comparing apples to oranges. Believe it or not, the US will be out of Iraq one day....though it may not be soon....one day it will happen.

If you start universal health care, you will have "massive" spending forever...forever as in no finite number....# of years in Iraq=finite

4/19/2008 11:35:34 PM

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What benefits, exactly, are being provided by the war in Iraq to American citizens?

4/20/2008 9:48:32 AM

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cheaper oil!

4/20/2008 11:12:39 AM

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"What benefits, exactly, are being provided by the war in Iraq to American citizens?"



All up for debate, of course.

1) Safer in the short term, as armed forces are currently engaged with some extremists that could otherwise be active elsewhere.

2) Safer in the long term, as a free Iraq would provide an important step forward in the Middle East.

3) Military spending provides jobs as defense contractors and businesses that supply weapons and materials to the armed forces increase production.

4/20/2008 11:27:37 AM

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the increased jobs/productivity from a war is a pretty bad argument here. it would be FAR better if the gov't invested that manpower/money into infrastructure or something. as it is right now, sure people have jobs, but they're also basically throwing money away in ammunition, supplies, etc. if they were building roads, fixing bridges, etc. we'd be in far better shape.

4/20/2008 11:30:21 AM

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"1) Safer in the short term, as armed forces are currently engaged with some extremists that could otherwise be active elsewhere."

How is fighting a group of people in Iraq safer than fighting the same group of people in some other middle-eastern country? This, of course, is omitting the fact that a lot of the people engaged in the fight wouldn't be fighting us at all if we weren't in Iraq.

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"2) Safer in the long term, as a free Iraq would provide an important step forward in the Middle East."

I still have not heard any well-reasoned and likely explanation for how a "free" Iraq is somehow fundamentally better for America's safety in the short or long term.

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"3) Military spending provides jobs as defense contractors and businesses that supply weapons and materials to the armed forces increase production."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window

4/20/2008 11:51:53 AM

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"it would be FAR better if the gov't invested that manpower/money into infrastructure or something."


+1


Especially since our own infastructure is either insufficient or starting to crumble.

4/20/2008 12:05:04 PM

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