I don't post in garage much, but i found this on the interweb and figured you geeks would enjoy it.

3/28/2008 9:48:10 AM

http://jalopnik.com/372594/and-now-your-jalopnik-moment-of-zen

3/28/2008 9:48:32 AM

thanks, i was looking for something like that!

3/28/2008 9:51:47 AM

it's pretty recent.


seeing it has Landrover and Jaguar listed as a pending sale.

3/28/2008 10:25:29 AM

holy shit GM owns 10% of Fiat, which means

GM owns 10% of Ferrari

THAT'S JUST WRONG, OK?

btw, i don't get all of the VW block. it is a bit complicated.

3/28/2008 10:33:28 AM

this is what i try to explain to people when they're like "I would only buy an American car".

3/28/2008 10:42:58 AM

vw is VAG (Volkswagen AG) and Audi AG..

lines include lamborghini, seat, skoda, bentley, bugatti

seat and skoda are not available here.. i guess they also own MAN and SCANIA which are european big-truck/bus companies (think european freightliner)

and porsche owns 30.9% of VW (i thought it was higher, tho).. porsche and VW have some deeper ties that go back all the way to the beginning of VW.. and, iirc, the touareg is based on the cayenne (has porsche lug pattern)

does that help?

[Edited on March 28, 2008 at 10:44 AM. Reason : ..]

3/28/2008 10:43:10 AM

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"the touareg is based on the cayenne"

not based

it is pretty much the same damn thing

3/28/2008 10:44:59 AM

The auto industry is fucking complicated.







without that picture, i dont see how anyone understands this shit.

3/28/2008 10:50:31 AM

^ holy shit

beethead, thanks. i knew the part on the left of the middle VW logo, but the part on the right threw me off.

you know what, they should have arrow heads on the red lines, otherwise it leads to misunderstanding in some areas. for example, look at the PROTON and LOTUS logos, under VW. now, I know that PROTON (Malaysian) owns 63.75% of LOTUS, but for someone who doesn't know this, the relationship could be in either direction.

ARROW HEADS. NEED.

OK, so back to VW:

so PORSCHE owns 30.9% of VW.

and MAN owns 29.9% of VW? and SCANIA owns 20.03% of VW?

so, 80% of VW is owned by other companies? BUT THEN, there is a 3rd VW logo (right most), which goes to the middle VW logo, which means VW owns 100% of VW.

see how it is confusing? and plays with your mind?

BTW, I am familiar with SEAT, SKODA, MAN, and SCANIA... I see them all the time!

3/28/2008 11:11:41 AM

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"not based it is pretty much the same damn thing"

ok, they're built on the same chassis... fucking semantics

3/28/2008 11:29:28 AM

I know in the past yota and GM had joint ventures (read: toyota cavalier) - Is that still ongoing? the yellow dashed line gets confusing.

I also though that GM owned part of Subaru/FHI

[Edited on March 28, 2008 at 11:41 AM. Reason : s]

3/28/2008 11:38:29 AM

I would also like to see Morgan put on there.

3/28/2008 11:39:02 AM

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"I also though that GM owned part of Subaru/FHI"

sold off a few years ago.

dumb move on their part, but it was back when they needed the money.

3/28/2008 2:20:40 PM

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"ARROW HEADS. NEED."

Yep. For example, does Kia own Hyundai, or does Hyundai own Kia?

(That is an actual question btw...I do not know the answer.)

3/28/2008 2:38:25 PM

^ good point.

i don't know the answer, but i can still answer it with 100% certainty.

hyundai is far bigger than kia, so hyundai owns kia.

3/28/2008 6:28:35 PM

3/31/2008 8:30:02 AM

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"and porsche owns 30.9% of VW (i thought it was higher, tho).. porsche and VW have some deeper ties that go back all the way to the beginning of VW.. and, iirc, the touareg is based on the cayenne (has porsche lug pattern)"

I guess its not recent enough. Porsche has purchased more shares and holds a majority, effectively controlling VAG.

3/31/2008 12:19:56 PM

yeah.. i'm not sure the percentage, but 30% seems a little low...

3/31/2008 1:33:31 PM

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"Porsche has purchased more shares and holds a majority, effectively controlling VAG."

So since Porsche controls VAG, does that mean if you drive any car from the VW/Porsche family of car companies, you will attract more VAG?





[Edited on March 31, 2008 at 2:00 PM. Reason : ]

3/31/2008 1:57:46 PM

I thought GM owned Isuzu? When did Toyota buy them?

3/31/2008 7:08:02 PM