Just an fyi

3/25/2008 11:33:08 PM

3/25/2008 11:33:33 PM

They check you for points?

3/25/2008 11:35:25 PM

Last check-point I drove through was kind of annoying. Had my car searched- they even made me open up a suitcase in my trunk. Hell, when they found a bottle if ibuprofen in my suitcase they checked the pills against a book they had to confirm they were actually ibuprofen.

3/25/2008 11:37:17 PM

good looking out

3/25/2008 11:37:28 PM

^^i've only been threw two, didn't have my license with me either time and never got hassled like that

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"good looking out"

3/25/2008 11:38:49 PM

^Oh haha, god if I hadn't had my license I think I would have been in big trouble.

3/25/2008 11:41:20 PM

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"Last check-point I drove through was kind of annoying. Had my car searched- they even made me open up a suitcase in my trunk. Hell, when they found a bottle if ibuprofen in my suitcase they checked the pills against a book they had to confirm they were actually ibuprofen."

you know you dont have to let them go through your shit, right? they didnt make you do anything!

3/25/2008 11:42:45 PM

4th amendment ftw

3/25/2008 11:43:22 PM

Were they cops that would be true.

3/25/2008 11:43:23 PM

yeah, are you retarded. who the hell lets someone look through their trunk if it was just a damn checkpoint

3/25/2008 11:44:02 PM

In raleigh there a bitch, they check everything and most of the times they ticketed for even the smallest violations. Other places are much more chill, just mainly late night checks at obvious spots for people blowing over .16.

3/25/2008 11:44:22 PM

I've been through 10- 15 of them and never had a problem, outside of expired inspection (buddy's car) (no ticket).

[Edited on March 25, 2008 at 11:45 PM. Reason : I take that back, I got hassled for a baggy of creatine once (not for very long, though)]

3/25/2008 11:44:34 PM

^^^

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"Were they cops, that would be true."

3/25/2008 11:45:10 PM

ive lived in raleigh all my life and have never been to a checkpoint where they want to search your car

[Edited on March 25, 2008 at 11:46 PM. Reason : they also have to have probable cause to search your car]

3/25/2008 11:45:51 PM

sorry dude, we are assuming they were cops... you know, since this thread is about cops and checkpoints and you went into a story that implied you were on the same page as us.

i'll bite - who searched your car?

3/25/2008 11:46:09 PM

Haha, ok so you know the private security people that work at most NC high schools? Waccanut?

Yeah, they were those guys. Apparently they also do security for DOE and DOD installations and get to play around with M-16s. The same company that is hired to provide douchebags on bikes to chase kids down at Enloe who go to lunch without a lunch pass are the same people our government has protecting installations where weapons grade plutonium is extracted for reactor fuel.

[Edited on March 25, 2008 at 11:48 PM. Reason : ]

3/25/2008 11:46:09 PM

waccanut, what the hell are you talking about?

[Edited on March 25, 2008 at 11:48 PM. Reason : oh, wackenhut security. got it]

3/25/2008 11:47:35 PM

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"they also have to have probable cause to search your car"

or they can come up with a reason to arrest you, then they automatically have PC to search any area you had access to at the time of the arrestable offense. RPD pulled that on me twice cause i said no to a search

3/25/2008 11:47:51 PM

[Edited on March 25, 2008 at 11:48 PM. Reason : nvm, he 'xplained it]

3/25/2008 11:47:53 PM

^^^ Is that the spelling then? Yeah those guys. I didn't read it off their badges, but I laughed when I heard the name in the 20 minute briefing video I had to watch at the first security station.

3/25/2008 11:49:20 PM

wackenhut

and you should have told them to kiss your ass

3/25/2008 11:49:21 PM

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"they also have to have probable cause to search your car"

While this is legally the case, in most cases it is not (probable cause can be very generic and then it becomes your problem to prove they didn't have it).

SEE JACKLEG EXAMPLE

[Edited on March 25, 2008 at 11:50 PM. Reason : .]

3/25/2008 11:49:58 PM

true, no one ever said cops have to live by the rules too.

3/25/2008 11:49:58 PM

where was this checkpoint, Charybdisjim? i wouldn't expect a private security company to have more "rights" than the police. unless its on some kind of private property where you have to sign away your rights or something.

3/25/2008 11:50:36 PM

I bet my penis is at least two inches bigger than yours.

3/25/2008 11:52:08 PM

I would expect that if he was dealing w/ the dod or doe, that the rules are much more stringent about security, and that being what led to the search

3/25/2008 11:52:15 PM

in all reality probable cause is a myth as is innocent until proven guilty.

3/25/2008 11:52:21 PM

Savanah River Site. Thing is, once you're "attempting to gain entry" you can't fail to comply. That can get you in a whole world of shit.

^^ Yeah, it was like being back in 1950's cold war military shit. They had signs like those old "loose lips sink ships" but instead "You catch more spies with silence than with honey" and "Be sure to report ALL suspiscious activity, no matter how insignificant. A nervous visitor might be nervous for all the wrong reasons."

My heart kind of skipped a beat when the guy checking by temp badge and ID said "Hey, jim he's been red-badged, how do we want to handle this one?" Probably just watched too much star trek because I was definitely thinking red-shirt.

[Edited on March 25, 2008 at 11:56 PM. Reason : ]

3/25/2008 11:52:38 PM

yeah. someone probably wanted to see slick willy the other day. that would make more sense^ oh

[Edited on March 25, 2008 at 11:53 PM. Reason : ^ oh, nevermind then]

3/25/2008 11:53:01 PM

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"SEE JACKLEG EXAMPLE"

the funny part is that i didn't have anything on me either time. and they tore my car to shit, cause they were so goddamned sure i had to be hiding something just because i said no. they were field testing pebbles from the mat in the floorboard and shit. they're insane with their "guilty because you invoked your rights" stuff

3/25/2008 11:53:16 PM

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"in all reality probable cause is a myth as is innocent until proven guilty."

yep. just like when they cant get one judge/magistrate to sign off on a warrant, they just take it around to each one until someone signs it.

i must say that i don't miss the days of having run-ins with the cops

3/25/2008 11:55:01 PM

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"Last check-point I drove through was kind of annoying. Had my car searched- they even made me open up a suitcase in my trunk. Hell, when they found a bottle if ibuprofen in my suitcase they checked the pills against a book they had to confirm they were actually ibuprofen. "

You (and EVERYONE) need to watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA

3/25/2008 11:55:44 PM

he's said like 5 times that it wasnt the police. haha

3/25/2008 11:56:21 PM

Yeah, I guess I should have prefaced it with "Speaking of checkpoints (not police)..."

3/25/2008 11:57:16 PM

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"Probably just watched too much star trek because I was definitely thinking red-shirt. "

lol

3/25/2008 11:57:34 PM

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"i wouldn't expect a private security company to have more "rights" than the police. unless its on some kind of private property where you have to sign away your rights or something."

Actually, they do. At least, they can search you whenever they want (or you can leave), because it's assumed that if you enter a place with private security, you can leave and not be searched, or stay and be searched. (they talk about this in the video too)

^^^ yeah, I didn't read that far yet

[Edited on March 25, 2008 at 11:58 PM. Reason : ]

3/25/2008 11:57:46 PM

X^6 yeah i got basically the same treatment leaving glenwood. Cop basically said you smell like smoke and booze, so do your passengers, and by the way a lot of people that go to bars here do yay, its 130am, etc. Pulled us over just because we were leaving that area, he said I peeled out. Thirty minutes later he looks like an idiot because I blew under, no drugs, everyone had their seatbelts on, etc.



[Edited on March 26, 2008 at 12:03 AM. Reason : .]

3/25/2008 11:58:25 PM

i think i saw the mall security pull someone over with orange lights the other day

3/25/2008 11:58:46 PM

lol, I woulda kept on rollin

3/25/2008 11:59:08 PM

^ yeah you can pretty much ignore mall security.

3/25/2008 11:59:56 PM

signed

[Edited on March 26, 2008 at 12:00 AM. Reason : ^^]

3/26/2008 12:00:00 AM

i ran a stopsign without a seatbelt on right in front of a [real] cop in the mall parking lot and didnt get pulled over. my cop luck has totally changed.

3/26/2008 12:00:25 AM

^x7 Yeah, except attempting to gain entry to some places and then refusing to comply makes you a threat to national security. The constitution gets torn to shreds when plutonium or anthrax or the spear of destiny is involved. Sure you might win if you were tased and detained for refusing a search by a private security company and then just trying to leave (bear in mind you're deep into whatever site/base/security zone it is before you get to a barricade or checkpoint) but do you really want to spend 1-3 months in jail and or court because of it? Yeah you have rights and a "choice" but sometimes the choices aren't really choices, they're just technically choices that no reasonable person with a sense of self-preservation would make.

[Edited on March 26, 2008 at 12:02 AM. Reason : ]

3/26/2008 12:02:01 AM

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"they're just technically choices that no reasonable person with a sense of self-preservation would make. "

yeah, i think that if the cops told me tomorrow to let them search or they'd take me to jail anyways, then i'd let them search. i used to think that sticking up for my rights meant something. but i've kinda accepted that no one else does, so its really only hurting me.

3/26/2008 12:04:22 AM

^^ yeah, i'd think things are different if you're talking about a secured gov. installation, especially nowadays.

^ maybe for you, but most people should refuse a search.

I had a friend get completely screwed recently because he let a cop search his car for being pulled over for a busted tail light (at 2AM).

[Edited on March 26, 2008 at 12:06 AM. Reason : ]

3/26/2008 12:05:33 AM

Yeah, I think I'd be much more willing to stand up if I didn't have somewhere to go and if it was a cop in a relatively public area. Sure, then I'd refuse to let a cop search. Thing is, when do you not have some place to go? It bugs me (only sometimes) that they even ask to search your car without a warrant. The idea that you are not being coerced into giving up your rights is kind of naive. Even if you aren't directly being intimidated, you still probably have somewhere to go. The threat of simply being held up and made to waste time is often threat enough to get people to comply.

It reminds me of the fallacy that asking a question does not necessarily provide any information. Hell, ask a question in an empty room and you still get some information from it. Sure you don't know that there's not anybody there, but you know there's nobody willing or able to answer.

[Edited on March 26, 2008 at 12:10 AM. Reason : ]

3/26/2008 12:08:13 AM

yeah. like i was saying before, when i told them no and they found a reason... they were so sure that they'd find something that they took like an hour each time to search

i'm sure if i just said "ok sure" then they'd just look under the seats and let me go in about 2 minutes.

3/26/2008 12:09:34 AM

^^^ if you refuse a search most cops find a way to do it anyway (or as I said earlier an illegial search becomes your problem to prove).

Also I read some were that 80% of dui's come from a driver not breaking any (moving) traffic laws, but they get caught with a headlight, breaklight, or a plate light out.

[Edited on March 26, 2008 at 12:13 AM. Reason : .]

3/26/2008 12:12:54 AM

yeah actually i bet most of them come from forgetting to turn their headlights on. i was always bad about that after i'd been drinking, and im talking about like 2-3 beers. never been into drunk driving.

3/26/2008 12:15:58 AM