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"David Bracken, Staff Writer, N&O 3-13-08 RALEIGH - Several City Council members who voted last week to ban the installation of new garbage disposals now say that decision should be reviewed. But despite a public outcry over the ban and the way it was enacted, a majority of council members appear unwilling to repeal the ordinance, which is scheduled to take effect Monday. "I don't think the council perceived this as being of great interest to the public," Mayor Charles Meeker said. He said the ban will save water and reduce the city's discharge of nitrogen into the Neuse River. Several council members complain that they didn't get enough information from city staff before the vote. "I'm not entirely happy with how this was managed," Koopman said. He supports repealing the ban while it is being reviewed. "

We were told it would be too expensive to update the Raleigh sewer system, so let's just stop using modern appliances. We have enough money to spend on piece-of-crap art sculptures on the side of the highway...but not for basic repairs on infrastructure?

Hey the roads are also getting worn..would everyone just stop driving on them...thanx!



http://www.newsobserver.com/news/wake/raleigh/story/998230.html

3/13/2008 9:57:43 AM

It just goes to show how out of touch these assholes are.

3/13/2008 10:01:09 AM

from what I read the way it was presented was extremely shady too....basically no advanced notice that there was even going to be a vote about it.

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"I don't think the council perceived this as being of great interest to the public," Mayor Charles Meeker said"

what a blatant lie, how could they not think this would be of public interest?

[Edited on March 13, 2008 at 10:04 AM. Reason : .]

3/13/2008 10:03:06 AM

^ That's what I'm saying. Meeker is a complete toolbag. I'm glad I don't live in Raleigh and the people who voted him in deserve this shit.

3/13/2008 10:07:42 AM

meeker pisses me off.

he talks big about things like predatory towing, yet not a damn thing has been done to stop it.

he was late in enforcing water restrictions due to the drought, and now that it has rained a little bit, he is the first one to suggest we start reducing the restrictions. no fucking thought of the future.

and this garbage disposal shit? I will continue to use mine, and I imagine most of raleigh will too.

3/13/2008 1:23:40 PM

Can anyone think of something intelligent that the city has done lately?

3/13/2008 1:51:39 PM

^ The 88.6 million Raleigh Parks bond. They are building a new Aquatics facility off of Buffaloe Rd. And filling it with some water. From the nitrogen infused Neuse.

Of course, I believe they just put low flow devices in their pool system. Might take longer to fill it up, but they will meet water restriction requirements

3/13/2008 2:03:43 PM

Seriously? Banning new garbage disposals? SERIOUSLY?

Thank you, aging liberal hippy douche.

3/14/2008 1:08:15 AM

Its as much about water conservation as it is about grease. People with garbage disposals pour much more grease into the city's sewer system, causing expensive blockages.

3/14/2008 1:11:29 AM

^
If we let them, politicians like mayor Meeker will regulate us all back to the stone-age.

The point is that we pay all these taxes. Fixing the sewer system so it can function like 99% of the rest of the country is not asking for much.

The 2007 Raleigh city budget has 7% allocated for solid waste treatment. It has 11% devoted to "Leisure Services".

3/14/2008 8:57:45 AM

The People's Republic of Raleigh is out of control. As I understand it, the primary justification of this disposal ban was that drain lines are being clogged by grease. Did any council members consider that people have been pouring and still can pour grease directly down the drains without the need for disposals?

3/14/2008 9:37:59 AM

^ That and I doubt this will stop a lot of people (because there are a lot of idiots out there) from trying to put stuff down the drain. Now it's just going to cause plumbing issues in their homes rather than in the city's pipes ... but good going Raleigh, it's not their problem anymore.

[Edited on March 14, 2008 at 10:09 AM. Reason : and by stuff I mean solids]

3/14/2008 9:59:22 AM

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"Did any council members consider that people have been pouring and still can pour grease directly down the drains without the need for disposals?"

This is perhaps the most intelligent point hooksaw has made on TWW.

3/14/2008 10:08:06 AM

i collect all my grease into a can and keep it til full

then i throw the can away

3/14/2008 10:18:21 AM

^^ Hey, with compliments like that who needs insults, right, BobbyNutrider?

3/14/2008 10:30:58 AM

"People's Republic of Raleigh" LMAO

3/16/2008 7:30:33 PM

Ban starts today.

3/17/2008 8:16:09 AM

I for one will continue to use mine, and if/when it breaks, I will install a new one myself, mark my word.

3/17/2008 8:20:48 AM

Wow, just wow.

3/17/2008 8:22:10 AM

Seriously, good luck enforcing this. You're not going to stop anyone who really wants one from ordering one online and then googling "how to install a garbage disposal". That and the shear number of disposals already installed in this city makes this just goofy.

3/17/2008 8:53:11 AM

retarded

this solves no problems

3/17/2008 9:07:44 AM

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"^^ Hey, with compliments like that who needs insults, right, BobbyNutrider? "

you are such a fucking douchebag

3/17/2008 9:09:07 AM

was at Lowe's at the Crossroads in Cary yesterday and they had the normal selection of disposals and i saw a couple people buying them.

3/17/2008 9:16:22 AM

i was under the impression that garbage disposals had already been banned in raleigh for a while.

^cary != raleigh

[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 9:18 AM. Reason : .]

3/17/2008 9:17:25 AM

^^

Here's a recap of the Disposal ban...

Most of the World: LEGAL

Raleigh: ILLEGAL

3/17/2008 9:50:48 AM

no john, this is just a recent development, and one that is quite moronic as well.

3/17/2008 9:52:05 AM

well i know someone who wanted to get his garbage disposal fixed a while back and couldn't find a plumber in raleigh to do it, because of a ban on garbage disposals

3/17/2008 10:00:30 AM

lawl, idiots, most of them.

3/17/2008 10:02:20 AM

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"^cary != raleigh"

i know, that's my point. If you are in need of a disposal replacement or something, all the stores in Cary (and yes, everywhere else in the world) will have them.
Plus, i wouldn't be surprised if all the stores in Raleigh will continue to carry them

3/17/2008 10:10:13 AM

so not having a disposal prevents a person from putting grease down the line? what a bunch of idiots.

3/17/2008 10:10:29 AM

it stops people from putting most sorts of food down the drain.

3/17/2008 10:13:27 AM

no it doesn't just means shit gets clogged in the house pipes first

3/17/2008 10:14:11 AM

yeah if you're an idiot and like to clog your own pipes all the time. most smart people would just not put food down the drain if you don't have a garbage disposal.

3/17/2008 10:15:16 AM

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"it stops people from putting most sorts of food down the drain. "

food yes, grease no.

3/17/2008 10:15:32 AM

often times those two things go hand in hand.

3/17/2008 10:16:22 AM

maybe, but if you grill some bacon or something, you could easily pour the grease down your drain without a disposal. Of course, this could 1) melt your drain pipes if it's still hot, or 2) just clog your drains

3/17/2008 10:59:30 AM

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"most smart people "

not something most people are unfortunately

3/17/2008 11:04:32 AM

I imagine renters are folks of that ilk will do whatever is more convenient for them. Why would I care about clogged pipes if I'm renting my place from someone else. Let the landlord deal with it if and when it gets clogged.

This ban solves nothing.

3/17/2008 11:05:35 AM

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"Garbage Disposal Ban"

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"Seriously? Banning new garbage disposals?"

&

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"so let's just stop using modern appliances"

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"I will continue to use mine, and I imagine most of raleigh will too"

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"I for one will continue to use mine, and if/when it breaks, I will install a new one myself, mark my word"

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"You're not going to stop anyone who really wants one from ordering one online and then googling "how to install a garbage disposal"."

&

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"Lowe's at the Crossroads in Cary yesterday and they had the normal selection of disposals and i saw a couple people buying them."

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"i wouldn't be surprised if all the stores in Raleigh will continue to carry them"

actually, (and I could be wrong,)

but I thought this was only a ban on the installation of [new] disposals in newly built residences

not a ban on the post-construction [self] installation of disposals

nor a ban on the continued ownership and use of already installed disposals

nor a ban on the sale of disposals

iow, not what any of you are talking about or responding to

(again, I could be wrong about this)


so

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"Hey the roads are also getting worn..would everyone just stop driving on them...thanx!"

would be more like

"Hey the road maintenance crews are getting overworked...would everyone stop driving on the few newly completed roads with their snow chains on, ...thanx!"



don't get me wrong

I agree that the legislative hubris and incompetence displayed here by the council is quite lame

not that I'm the least bit surprised

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"The council unanimously approved the ban with little discussion after City Manager Russell Allen said it would prevent sewer overflows by reducing the amount of grease that people pour down their drains."

which it wouldn't necessarily even do, (as hooksaw pointed out)




COMPOST FTW !!!!

3/17/2008 11:38:45 AM

Wow, yeah so I definitely collect grease (bucket under sink) already because I always thought it wasn't a good idea to throw it down the sink and am seriously just debating dumping it down some drain out of spite now.

3/17/2008 12:24:53 PM

i typically throw the bacon grease and what not into the yard. So sue me.

3/17/2008 12:33:26 PM

^ Oh I don't care, it's just a habit I picked up for whatever reason. Now I'm rethinking if I should care though.

3/17/2008 12:58:46 PM

^^^^ If your existing disposal quits working, you're not allowed to replace it. I lodged complaints about the ban with the mayor and the city council today. From what I heard, I was one among many.

3/17/2008 4:05:40 PM

this is asinine. despite these assholes taking money out of my pocket as a plumbing contractor, the reasoning makes zero sense logistically. there is no way they actually consulted anyone in the know before doing this.

1. disposals do nothing to flush away grease. if anything, they HELP keep less of it out of the sewer because more of it's going to be sitting in the bottom, stuck to the sides, etc. of the appliance.

2. the majority of people that own a disposal understand what's good/bad to put down drains. i've seen FAR more ridiculous stuff put down normal drains. not to say there aren't the few people out there trying to grind up the entire contents of their trash can...

3. there are these neat little things called grease traps for this very reason. if they're SO concerned about this, require grease traps to be installed at private residences like they already are for restaurants, etc.

4. what about all the chemicals like liquid plumber, draino, etc. that are now going to get dumped into sinks more? i'm sure that's much better for the environment! also, in case these retards don't know most of that stuff congeals or hardens to pipe walls worse than grease.

5. what shall we do about everything else that causes grease build up in pipes? you know, like oils from our body, soap, shampoo, hair, etc.? hell, lets just ban indoor plumbing all together!

the current mayor/council has made some idiotic moves, but this has got to be the worst so far. i really hope the decision was about water conservation and they wanted to mask it for some reason. at least that would make a little sense, disposals do require additional water to properly operate.

3/17/2008 4:19:04 PM

Fuck the Neuse River, I'm all about conserving our resources but that river's beyond repair

3/17/2008 4:21:13 PM

its sad that i will have to wear sunglasses, a hat and pay with cash to buy a new disposal if mine breaks

3/17/2008 4:35:50 PM

^If you replace your "garbage disposal" with a "food de-processor" you won't have any problems.

3/17/2008 6:58:08 PM

If you need a new disposal, just buy one in cary, and then post on craigslist for someone to install it for you. Plenty of qualified, able people who can do it without worry about their plumbers license being revoked.

3/17/2008 7:59:55 PM

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" always thought it wasn't a good idea to throw it down the sink and am seriously just debating dumping it down some drain out of spite now. "

Please do.

3/17/2008 8:13:22 PM

Raleigh Says Bye-Bye to Disposals

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"The disposal ban, which the City Council approved two weeks ago, is among the first in the country. Violators face fines of up to $25,000 per day [emphasis added]. Under the ban, homeowners can continue to use existing disposals, but no new devices can be installed and existing ones can't be replaced when they quit working. Homes that have obtained city permits and are already under construction will be allowed to keep their disposals, officials said. Some builders and residents said they would protest the disposal ban at Tuesday's council meeting."

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"'I don't think people had forewarning,' Gaylord said. 'I think there is some confusion out there as to how this will be implemented and what the parameters are.' The ban also has come under fire from City Councilman Philip Isley, who missed the March 4 vote on the issue, and from the mayors of Garner, Knightdale, Rolesville, Wake Forest, Wendell and Zebulon. The six towns are part of the municipal water and sewer system, so Raleigh's regulations apply to residents in those towns as well. The other mayors said they should have been consulted before Raleigh enacted the disposal ban."

http://wral.com/news/local/story/2587326/

Mayors Oppose Raleigh's Garbage Disposal Ban

http://wral.com/news/local/politics/story/2581277/

Builders Balk at Plan to Limit Garbage Disposals

http://wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/2530757/

3/18/2008 1:58:35 AM