When Picard just isn't enough to show how dumb a post is.

12/14/2007 2:51:55 AM

"shame on you"

12/14/2007 3:04:17 AM

janeway sucks

12/14/2007 3:11:45 AM

picard<janeway<sisko<kirk

12/14/2007 5:50:53 AM

Oh goodie. Personally, I put Picard at the top of the list, just because he got the fewest members of his crew KILLED. Sure, there were lots of deaths on TNG that were due to unrelated drama, but never due to Picard thrusting them into danger, like Kirk. The many diplomatic functions that Picard had to handle made him far more competent and versatile than Kirk. (For fuck's sake, he was the ONLY one who could successfully stand his ground diplomatically against the Klingons and make it out alive.)
Next is obviously Sisko. Possibly Picard is the only other captain who could have been able to handle the many captain and diplomatic decisions that were thrown at Sisko on a daily basis. No WAY anyone else could have handled the Dominion nearly as well as Sisko did. (Plus, when the omniscient trickster being who can and does threaten to off all of humanity on a regular basis showed up on his ship, Sisko did the right thing and punched him in the face, instead of giving him positive reinforcement by paying attention to him.)
Then Kirk makes the list. Kirk represents a flawed, slighly xenophobic time in Federation history, where everyone was the enemy. Kirk's kick-in-the-door attitude won him commendations and prestige in his day, but would not have lasted in the TNG or DS9 era of Starfleet. Still, his impressive military victories can't be denied, and he goes down as one of the greats, too.
And Janeway just sucks. The series sucked, the captain sucked, the crew sucked, the villains sucked. Janeway was not a sympathetic character, she was too cold. Picard, Sisko, and Kirk showed a LOT of concern for their crews, and I just never felt that from Janeway. She came off as more of an obsessed Captain Ahab-type character, rather than actually working for her crew. And then Seven of Nine shows up, who ruined the show like any Mary Sue usually ruins fiction.

12/14/2007 6:55:59 AM

12/14/2007 7:01:56 AM

^^I...just, can't...read all those words.

12/14/2007 7:07:14 AM

i didn't know girls watched this stuff

12/14/2007 7:10:13 AM

^^^ That was WAY more Star Trek info than any of us needed to know.

12/14/2007 7:51:49 AM

Half of TWW has wood right now because a chick wrote that post.

12/14/2007 9:25:33 AM

tell me about it...


anyway, anyone who puts picard on the bottom of the list is out of their mind.
the top of the list is very arguable as kirk, picard, and sisko had many different situations to deal with...

janeway and archer just sucked.

12/14/2007 9:48:11 AM

ds9 is the best star trek

12/14/2007 9:49:23 AM

agreed.


very much most underrated.

12/14/2007 9:50:27 AM

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"Oh goodie. Personally, I put Picard at the top of the list, just because he got the fewest members of his crew KILLED. Sure, there were lots of deaths on TNG that were due to unrelated drama, but never due to Picard thrusting them into danger, like Kirk. The many diplomatic functions that Picard had to handle made him far more competent and versatile than Kirk. (For fuck's sake, he was the ONLY one who could successfully stand his ground diplomatically against the Klingons and make it out alive.)"

I disagree, while Sisko did thrust a lot of people into danger and some died, they died for a purpose. Picard would have had to do the same thing.

Also, Sisko was responsible for forming alliances with the Klingons and the Romulans. Picard never would have managed to do what Sisko did to make an alliance with the Romulans.

12/20/2007 3:46:34 PM

it wasn't until i had a summer of boredom that i began watching ds9 reruns on spike...i daresay that it IS the best star trek, and is highly underrated...i don't know why i didn't care for it when it was on as new episodes

12/20/2007 3:49:05 PM

I was hoping that this thread would be an animation of Picard dancing to the Thong Song.

[Edited on December 20, 2007 at 3:50 PM. Reason : dammit]

12/20/2007 3:50:04 PM

picard and sisko aint got shit on kirk

in "the hunt for red october" terms, kirk is ramius....and picard/sisko are the scot glenn character

12/20/2007 3:55:13 PM

they are all three great in different ways.

12/20/2007 4:15:05 PM

General Veers FTW.

12/20/2007 4:15:30 PM

lies, Janeway was the best.

12/20/2007 4:17:55 PM

Bizarro Worf approves of this thread.

12/20/2007 10:26:10 PM

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"i didn't know girls watched this stuff"

we do

also, Picard ftw

12/20/2007 10:27:03 PM

haha, you post stalking me furshia?

12/20/2007 10:28:10 PM

no

I'm reading threads

you just post in all of them

12/20/2007 10:28:41 PM

12/20/2007 10:30:30 PM

sure...whatever you say

12/20/2007 10:30:50 PM

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"General Veers FTW."

hahahahaha

12/20/2007 10:47:32 PM

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"picard<janeway<sisko<kirk "

I'm a total asshat, I meant

picard>janeway>sisko>kirk

but in all fairness I've only watched a handful of ds9 episodes compared to seeing every single tng and voyager episodes

12/21/2007 4:15:54 PM

janeway was fucking terrible
voyager was fucking terrible

almost as bad as enterprise

12/21/2007 4:35:07 PM

^

12/21/2007 4:35:28 PM

I never really got into Star Trek.

But Patrick Stewart is the man.

Picard > Anyone else.

12/21/2007 5:15:04 PM

picard>janeway>sisko>kirk kirk > picard >= sisko >>> janeway

TOS is king of them all. Hail to the fucking-green-skinned-alien-babes-left-and-right king, baby.

TNG had its high and low points, but overall was good.

DS9 tended to be slow, but was at its peak when it dealt with the Klingon civil wars and Dominion war. It also gets lots of points for being the darkest of the TNG-era shows, allowing us to see that the utopian Federation isn't as perfect as they make themselves out to be (but much like TNG, it still suffered from its portrayal of the human race as having the sun shine out of their collective asses). Also had some of the most colorful and compelling characters out of all the series (eg Garak).

Voyager was just plain fucking terrible. The acting wasn't all that great, but I don't really blame the actors so much as the shitty material they were constantly supplied. Janeway was fucking bipolar, deciding one episode to throw the Prime Directive out the airlock and then religiously adhering to it the next. Lots of the premises were either recycled and regurgitated from the other series (pretty much any transporter or holodeck malfunction episode), full of uncreative cliches, or just plain stupid (the greatest offender of them all being Threshold, which irreversibly showed that Trek writers have no clue as to how evolution works. And that's just the smallest problem of that episode). The producers knew that they were losing their audience, so pretty much every other episode was a completely obvious attempt at drawing in more viewers (their trump card naturally being the inclusion of Seven "Huge Tits" of Nine). As much as I enjoyed Robert Picardo, you know something's wrong when a holographic doctor is the most interesting thing that a series has to offer.

I can't really comment a whole lot on Enterprise, since I never watched most of it. It mainly suffered from pissing on established continuity because it wanted to be the first to do everything and get it right instead of letting the familiar Trek cultures and technology come later in a more natural way. When they abandoned the Temporal Cold War arc without any sort of conclusion to focus on the Xindi arc (which felt like they were making up on the fly as they wrote each episode), I started to tune out. I hear it got a hell of a lot better during the fourth season and even managed to correct some of the glaring continuity errors, but by then they had no viewers left and the funding finally dried up completely.

[Edited on December 21, 2007 at 5:16 PM. Reason : blah]

12/21/2007 5:15:49 PM

12/26/2007 10:49:33 PM

voyager wasn't great, but i'd watch it over ds9 anyday

janeway was a shitty captain though

[Edited on December 26, 2007 at 11:00 PM. Reason : everytime id' try to watch ds9 i'd get bored and watch something else]

12/26/2007 10:59:19 PM

12/26/2007 11:11:19 PM

confession time...I thought Star wars and star track were the same thing until about a year ago

12/26/2007 11:13:52 PM

picard ftw

12/26/2007 11:20:38 PM

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"voyager wasn't great, but i'd watch it over ds9 anyday"

well then clearly your taste is not very refined.

12/26/2007 11:33:59 PM

I AINT GONNA WATCH THE C-SPAN OF SCI-FI

12/26/2007 11:41:19 PM