what bullshit man, seriously, spend my tax dollars on something else.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1827563/

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"Chapel Hill police have written twice as many citations for underage drinking this year as during the same period last year. They want to do even more to stop high schoolers from drinking, though, so they plan to start a party patrol. Officers on party patrol will try to break up gatherings involving underage drinking or prevent them from happening altogether. To help prepare for this new assignment, officers threw a mock party Monday night as a training exercise. Chapel Hill police said of the dozen or so parties they break up in a year, about half involve high school students. The parties include "kids that are 16, 17, sometimes even younger, so obviously that raises some concern with us,” said Lt. Kevin Gunter. "We are seeing kids as young as 9 and 10 years old taking their first drink. The average first-drink nationwide for kids is 12 years of age,” said Nancy McGee of the Underage Drinking Enforcement Training Center. "The large parties have a tendency to command a lot of resources, get out of control, and create problems within the community." One of those problems is drinking and driving, especially when police show up and party-goers scatter. "We are getting tips from students who have heard about these parties. We are getting tips from parents,” Gunter said. Those tips are something police want to build on. Orange County will soon have an anonymous tip line for people to call if they hear about underage drinking parties in the works."

Even though its chapel hill, that shit could easily come to state or else where.

[Edited on September 18, 2007 at 3:52 AM. Reason : g]

9/18/2007 3:51:19 AM

^at state they search for college parties, in my opinion searching for parties to break up is bs. I don't think this will come to raleigh just because the size of the city. The police can just focus on college parties since they know which complexes have parties all the time (plus they get more money if were busted).

It needs to go back to were someone has to complain before the police make a raid or they should just set up a road block close by if they're concerned with drinking and driving.



[Edited on September 18, 2007 at 4:46 AM. Reason : .]

9/18/2007 4:31:43 AM

heard about this on the news last night
they even had a bunch of high schoolers pretending to be partying to give the cops practice on how to break them up

9/18/2007 9:07:03 AM

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"One of those problems is drinking and driving, especially when police show up and party-goers scatter."

this should tell you something

9/18/2007 9:14:03 AM

this is a good thing

9/18/2007 9:49:28 AM

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"One of those problems is drinking and driving, especially when police show up and party-goers scatter."

hmmmm this sounds a little fishy. I thought they try to "stop" underage drinking to prevent drunk driving. Besides being a false fallacy I am glad that admit their own hypocrisy. "Breaking" up the party actually encourages kids to drink and drive trying to leave after the police roll in. If they wanted to really discourage drinking and driving that would be more lenient and turn a blind eye to drinking in the dorm unless a student is doing something stupid. Students would then "party" more in the dorms instead of having to go off campus to drink which increases the likelihood of someone drinking and driving. The government attitude toward underage drinking is a lot like their attitude toward sex before marriage. "Just say no guys, abstinence until marriage" . I am glad my tax payer money is being wasted to harass college students just trying to have a good time.

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"We are getting tips from students who have heard about these parties. We are getting tips from parents"

Snitches End up in Ditches
Seriously WTF, is some band dork mad that he was not invited to the party so he rats them out to the cops

9/18/2007 10:51:24 AM

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"Seriously WTF, is some band dork mad that he was not invited to the party so he rats them out to the cops"

I got invited to a band party once. To this day it's the craziest party I've ever been to. How the cops didn't get called I have no idea.

9/18/2007 11:08:49 AM

this is a good thing

9/18/2007 11:11:52 AM

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"One of those problems is drinking and driving, especially when police show up and party-goers scatter"

9/18/2007 11:18:15 AM

This really is a good thing.

[Edited on September 18, 2007 at 11:19 AM. Reason : ]

9/18/2007 11:18:52 AM

I really wouldn't mind my kids drinking by the time they are in high school so this seems like a waste of resources to me.

Then again, I favor education and life experience over misinformation and false assumptions.

[Edited on September 18, 2007 at 11:24 AM. Reason : s]

9/18/2007 11:23:44 AM

In highschool, the city police had myself and some other kids pretend to execute a terrorist plot on a middle school.



They had to chase us down, find us in hiding places, and basically maintain the commotion they let us cause.




it was fucking awesome.

9/18/2007 11:26:43 AM

officers are enforcing the law
underage drinking, driving and driving is illegal

I'd be happy if my tax dollars were supporting patrols and programs like this.
I wish they'd set up speed traps and DUI checkpoints/stops in my neighborhood every weekend.



[Edited on September 18, 2007 at 12:01 PM. Reason : and the problem is...?]

9/18/2007 11:58:32 AM

Raleigh police already suck when it comes to parties. Don't give them more reason to power trip over busting parties I was at a party a few months ago and the cops got called. Ok, fine. But they didn't give a warning or anything... this one scrawny RPD comes alone and starts power tripping like crazy! He told everyone that if they didn't leave they were going to get arrested and started requesting IDs from everyone. So, all these obviously drunk people start fleeing in their cars. When a small group of people told the cop they had called a taxi and were waiting, he went apeshit and took them over to his cruiser for a good 20 minutes.

Apparently, RPD works together on things like this... other cops will park nearby to catch those who are leaving the party intoxicated.
Anyway, my point is... the whole thing was handled in the worst way imaginable. Grrr RPD.

9/18/2007 12:20:36 PM

yeah, a good thing would be to stop being asses about drinking on campus. It's like, drinking at college isn't gonna stop, at least the kids drinking in their dorms aren't on the road hurting anyone.

9/18/2007 12:29:10 PM

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"officers are enforcing the law underage drinking, driving and driving is illegal"

I am glad you are an OUTSTANDING citizen and completly refrained from drinking while you were under 21. We all know morality and legality are the same thing. If something is the law we must accept and blindly follow it .

Seriously though just b.c something is the law does not dictate how much effort police will put on enforcing the law. There are countless laws in this country, many of which are obscure or odd laws, it is impossible to 100% enforce all of them. Some are a given if you kill someone you are going to have a man hunt after you. On the other hand playing poker with your buddies for a $20 buy-in is technically illegal in NC. Yet, it would be impossible for the cops to go around and try to "bust" everyone playing poker. When underage I have been to parties before where we were doing nothing wrong just some kids sitting around drinking. On the other hand I have gone to crazy parties where kids started doing stupid shit like shooting off fireworks at 3 am (i think one even hit a house). These are the parties I can understand the cops coming to break up.

Growing up my parents did not support drinking (still don't today beyond a moderate amount) but they accepted the fact that once I got my drivers license i could go out and do whatever w/o them being there to enforce the rules. They, however, would rather have me drink and not be afraid to call them for a ride at 2am then try to "cover up" my drinking by risking driving drunk going back to my house.


[Edited on September 18, 2007 at 12:37 PM. Reason : l]

9/18/2007 12:33:53 PM

i think everyone should start calling in tips to fake parties

9/18/2007 12:34:37 PM

I think it is all politics. The police chief and various other officials are trying to make good public face trying to illustrate that they are doing their job in order to get re-elected. So in order to cover up REAL problems in our community that have not improved they use underage drinking as an out. They can take a minor issue and blow it up and say that they have worked hard to STOP underage drinking (insert bullshit statistic here). Thus getting the approval of the older (more likely to vote) population.

Meanwhile real issues are getting overlooked. This is kind of like a smaller version of what happens in the federal level. Politicians blow a minor issue out of proportion in order to distract the populace from real issues. For example "Gay Marriage" as a hot button issue in the 2006 elections trying to downplay problems in Iraq and the economy. Or Nixon's "war on drugs" to take the heat off of domestic issues and the ongoing Vietnam war

9/18/2007 12:46:50 PM

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"He told everyone that if they didn't leave they were going to get arrested and started requesting IDs from everyone. So, all these obviously drunk people start fleeing in their cars."

I have seen this happen, but the girl who was hosting the party told the cop that everyone there was drunk as shit and nobody was going to be driving anywhere. It was pretty funny watching her own him and no tickets were written. We just agreed to keep it in her yard and keep the noise down.

9/18/2007 1:27:55 PM

perhaps I am an OUTSTANDING citizen

there are still some of those left in this world who choose NOT to get on the road after drinking, endangering our own and others lives.

9/18/2007 2:06:07 PM

Nobody in this thread advocates drinking and driving.

9/18/2007 2:15:57 PM

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"officers threw a mock party Monday night as a training exercise."

BUAHAHAHAHA.... sounds like they were studying the effects of legal-age drinking

9/18/2007 2:16:36 PM

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"I got invited to a band party once. To this day it's the craziest party I've ever been to. How the cops didn't get called I have no idea."

Castle parties are the shit.

9/18/2007 2:17:08 PM

kids have been partying and getting wasted for years (see Animal House or your parents stories)

They are just now starting to crack down after years upon years of partying. Lost cause if you ask me.

9/18/2007 2:18:40 PM

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"perhaps I am an OUTSTANDING citizen there are still some of those left in this world who choose NOT to get on the road after drinking, endangering our own and others lives."

Well more power to you. But just b.c did not drink before 21 does not mean that the rest of the population that has are Wrong. I am confused though is your argument against underaged drinking (under 21) or drinking and driving???

I am firmly against drinking and driving. From my experience younger people are more likely to try and organize a DD to drive friends to the keg party than a bunch of adults 21+ who go out and decide that they are still good enough to drive after a few drinks and shots.

XCchik are you not or were a bartender?? Well congrats hun i am sure you have contributed to more people driving drunk then the 19yr old who throws a keg in his apt for a back to school party. Maybe the cops should instead of harassing 18-20 yr olds in spirit of stopping underage drinking & drunk driving, should instead sit outside your bar and arrest every drunk fuck that comes out for public intoxication and to ensure no one gets in their car over the limit.
I would feel a lot safer DDing my younger friends back to the dorm knowing that some drunk ass 30 yr old you gave 5 shots of tequila to is not swerving all over the road at 2AM



[Edited on September 18, 2007 at 3:05 PM. Reason : l]

9/18/2007 2:52:03 PM

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"I wish they'd set up speed traps and DUI checkpoints/stops in my neighborhood every weekend."

The problem with this is that these checkpoints are set up with alternative motives then just catching reckless drunk drivers. People end up getting citations for all sorts of stupid shit while at the checkpoint. Statiscal figures have even show that the avg BAC for a drunk driving fatality is 0.17 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,171383,00.html. A driver who might have a 0.08 BAC who was driving fine and may have not gotten pulled on the road by a cop driving by; gets a DUI after stopping at the checkpoint. Meanwhile some guys with a .2 takes an alternative route after hearing from a buddy about the checkpoint. With a good amount of the police resources being used for the checkpoint there is not as many officers on patrol to catch this hazard to public safety. After all BAC is an arbitrary number but I guess the line does have to be drawn somewhere.

9/18/2007 3:04:42 PM

Cross Country girls always suck. They are wierd and ugly LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

9/18/2007 3:52:51 PM

^Can you tell if your at .08? I'm pretty sure I could guess when I was at that level. The choosing to drive home was based on "eh i'm not gonna get caught"

9/18/2007 6:08:31 PM

it's too bad alcohol doesn't make everyone quiet, reflective, laid back, chill etc.

9/18/2007 6:32:22 PM

that would be just stupid, life is all about being wild and crazy.

9/18/2007 7:42:38 PM

that's what cocaine is for.


[Edited on September 18, 2007 at 7:49 PM. Reason : .]

9/18/2007 7:43:50 PM

note to self, stop inviting 9 year olds to my parties

9/19/2007 1:18:30 AM

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"I got invited to a band party once. To this day it's the craziest party I've ever been to. How the cops didn't get called I have no idea."

Yeah, same here.. I still to this day have never seen so many fucking drugs.. It's ok tho, I took one dudes girl back to her parents place when her boyfriend passed out

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"i think everyone should start calling in tips to fake parties"

Great idea.

9/19/2007 9:15:49 AM

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"I still to this day have never seen so many fucking drugs."

OMG u mean like someone was smoking marijuana out of a bowl!?!??!1

9/19/2007 9:32:57 AM

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"If something is the law we must accept and blindly follow it ."

If you don't agree with a law you just don't go out and break that law, the proper way to go about it is to try and get the law changed and abide by it in the meantime.

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"Seriously though just b.c something is the law does not dictate how much effort police will put on enforcing the law. There are countless laws in this country, many of which are obscure or odd laws, it is impossible to 100% enforce all of them."

Yes, but in the case of underage drinking the police have made it very clear that it isn't an obscure or odd law. BTW, I thought the obscure and odd laws always dealt with weird laws like "you can't walk down the street with an ice cream cone in your back pocket on a Sunday" that have been on the books since the 1860s. I wouldn't classify an underage drinking law as odd or weird.

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"The problem with this is that these checkpoints are set up with alternative motives then just catching reckless drunk drivers. "

This is true. I remember 4 or 5 years ago when the cops set up a check point at the entrance to an apartment complex. They were basically just targeting everyone that lived at that particular place.

9/19/2007 12:07:57 PM

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" If you don't agree with a law you just don't go out and break that law, the proper way to go about it is to try and get the law changed and abide by it in the meantime."

that is all fine, dandy, and great about our great ole democratic nation but the time it would take for a bill to lower the drinking age to get through the molasses of bureaucratic tape most of the disgruntled 18-20 year olds would be 21. I guess they should give in and happily follow an unjust law.

Your attitude is the socio-economic difference between the way [lower/upper] middle class children are raised and the attitudes of the "working and lower" classes.

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"Parents from the professional class tend to raise their children to become curious independent thinkers, while working class parents raise their children to have a more communal perspective with a strong respect for authority.[2] Middle class parents tend to emphasize internal standards and values while working class parents emphasize external values."

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"Middle class parents values for their children and themselves included: "Consideration of Others, Self-Control, Curiosity, Happiness, Honesty, Tolerance of Nonconformity, Open to Innovation... Self-Direction." This contrast to surveyed working class individuals who reported "Manners, Obedience... Neatness, Cleanliness, Strong Punishment of Deviant Behavior, Stock to Old Ways, People not Trustworthy... Strict Leadership" as values for themselves and their children."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class_in_the_United_States

I guess we know which socioeconomic class you and XCchik are from.

[Edited on September 19, 2007 at 12:48 PM. Reason : l]

9/19/2007 12:47:36 PM

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"that is all fine, dandy, and great about our great ole democratic nation but the time it would take for a bill to lower the drinking age to get through the molasses of bureaucratic tape most of the disgruntled 18-20 year olds would be 21."

Problem solved.

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"I guess they should give in and happily follow an unjust law."

Oh no someone has figured out what socioeconomic class I belong to.

9/19/2007 1:01:34 PM