for Last Half of Her Life, Letters Revealhttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,294395,00.html
8/24/2007 3:50:48 PM
damn
8/24/2007 3:54:17 PM
that people are searching? that they grasp for something greater than they are? that even the most amazing people can feel empty?This is human nature, my friend, and not profound in the slightest.
8/24/2007 4:06:08 PM
I consider it a good thing. It shows she was doing good b/c it was the right thing to do, not b/c of religion.I am interested to see how the church receives her now.
8/24/2007 4:10:16 PM
8/24/2007 4:12:00 PM
^good pt, but If she was at the point in her life where she didn't believe, would she really care about the church seeing her as a fraud?....
8/24/2007 4:26:14 PM
Mother Teresa was a fucking bitch from all accounts. She was incredibly cruel and mean to those around her, and her entire order was big into the whole suffering thing. Not to even mention her being a big ass fraud:http://www.slate.com/id/2090083/http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/10/22/1066631499641.htmlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q1m-8npkJ4&mode=related&search
8/24/2007 4:40:42 PM
Most pastors will tell you that it is only natural for Christians to go through periods of their life when they question both the church and their own faith. Particularly those who serve the church since they are always giving but may not be as well "spiritually fed" as those who receive.Burn out and questioning of motivation is only natural to those who continuously serve. Think of social workers.
8/24/2007 4:45:12 PM
This is a much better story on it...http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1655415,00.html?xid=site-cnn-partnerThis book actually has the Church excited. It shows even those considered modern day saints struggle with their faith, that it is not supposed to be easy.
8/24/2007 4:59:47 PM
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8/24/2007 5:55:08 PM
Mother Teresa was apolitical to the extreme. she did not concern herself with who was in power in what country. she stayed completely out of all politics. if someone gave her money to support her hospitals, she was thankful for it. plain and simple.and as far as not letting the relatives visit her sick and dying patients, that's bullshit. there may have been restrictions in place to limit it to certain hours of the day... and if someone DIDNT WANT to see their family -- families who, by and large, had already abandoned most of the people she cared for -- then, no, she wouldnt let them in.so what is your point? she voluntarily took on the hardest, dirtiest, least respectable job of caring for the lowest of the low, the sickest of the sick and the poorest of the poor, when NOBODY else would, not even the government.And I didnt miss your "pop culture" reference or your suggestion that I had no idea what she was doing until after she died. FTR I have, to some small amount, been paying attention to her mission and her life since I first heard of her some 15 years ago. I remember when she died, just days after Princess Diana, that the timing was ironic cosmic justice. Princess Di's tragic death consumed the world in a frenzied media spectacle, and Mother Teresa's passing was by and large a silent, barely noticed, footnote. Its somewhat fitting that in her death, the media ignored her like they ignored her life for so long. Far more appropriate than having a bunch of talking head pundits wax philosophic about her life and deeds just to generate some media ratings during what would have otherwise been a slow news week. I was also glad that she wouldn't be turned into a pop icon, so I wouldn't have to listen to a bunch of inane nonsense from more people like you.[Edited on August 24, 2007 at 6:51 PM. Reason : ]
8/24/2007 6:38:58 PM
Ytsejam is a faggot-faced assholeThats all I have to say
8/24/2007 7:10:25 PM
She didn't feel his presence.........she felt his balls.
8/24/2007 8:18:32 PM
this isn't the first i've heard of mother teresa not being as nice as she seems. i have no idea if those portrayals of her are true or not. i never met the woman.
8/24/2007 10:48:27 PM
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8/27/2007 10:50:04 AM
I read that TIME article and a lot of those letters are really melodramatic, at least that's how it sounds to me.
8/27/2007 11:59:31 AM
8/28/2007 12:01:22 PM
hmm.interesting.i shall ponder this.
8/28/2007 1:21:59 PM
I should apologize to Yjetsam for the undeserved ad hominem attacks. there are a few times where someone on TWW has altered my opinion. this might be one of them. it took nutsmackr's credibility to concur with a second opinion before i really looked into this.I can't say I'm completely swayed, but Hitchen's investigation is pretty damning.
8/30/2007 2:04:17 AM
I complete agree with Ytsejam on this. Joe_schmoe, you should really do some more reading.She was NOT a good person, by any personal accounts. The glorification of Mother Teresa was done largely by the Church, not by her immediate peers. I saw the documentary and spent a few days reading up on it, the woman was pretty insufferable and by most accounts an extreme sado-masochist (not sexually motivated, but theologically motivated), believing in and practicing almost all forms mortification.
8/30/2007 1:51:03 PM
^ in case you missed it, right above you i conceded that I was wrong, and that Yjetsam had exposed some valid criticism. I didnt take his Salon article seriously until nutsmackr reposted similar stuff from the well-regarded "secularhumanism" library.i can admit when I'm wrong, and yes, although this is a topic I felt like I "knew a little bit" about, I obviously need to do some more reading.
8/30/2007 2:39:50 PM
oh im not trying to dig it in or anything. just adding a little bit of summary from my own research.BTW after the whole mother teresa thing, I ended up on Ghandi next, and he didn't fare much better. kind of sucks finding out these childhood figures for such good deeds were really nut jobs and pedophiles.
8/30/2007 4:41:36 PM
Unfortunately you'll find a good majority of histories heroes and heroines to be a bit nutty.
8/30/2007 4:48:40 PM
I probably came off a bit "rough" in my criticism. It's just she has become linked with goodness, charity, etc... and it just doesn't seem right. There are tons of people out there who are more deserving of being called a saint than her.Gandhi is weird. He was pretty racist in regards to Africans, but this mellowed out as he got older. The sleeping with young girls thing was just strange (he did so to see if he could resist the temptation). But if I recall correctly they were pubescent. Which, as offensive as we find it, sleeping with a 12-14 year old girl wasn't that strange until very recently in our history. And he did make a huge difference in getting India its independence without fighting the British, though he did fail at the partition and the bloodshed that involved. He produced tangible, real results that helped people make a better future. Mother Teresa didn't. Oh well.
8/30/2007 5:03:46 PM
history's, by the way.
8/30/2007 5:36:26 PM
Its a matter of culture. There are still 3rd world countries that marry off their 10-12 year olds and sometimes younger to wealthier men so that they can get a education and a better life.
8/30/2007 6:36:06 PM
8/30/2007 7:15:41 PM
^to us yes, but in other cultures and other times in history girls that age would be already giving birth.
8/30/2007 9:40:29 PM
The thing is, you're average middle of the road personality just does not posses the constitution to act upon their dreams the way these people do. What makes them great (in stature, if not morals) is precisely what causes them to do things we'd often rather forget.
8/30/2007 11:39:04 PM
Tyler I don't know how to research this but I think there were probably some states that tolerated 14-15 year olds being married in the early 20th century here in the US as well.
8/31/2007 12:35:20 AM
right now, in Arkansas, two children can get married at any age. 12, 8, 4 years old.... as long as they have parents permission. a 16 year old can marry a 4 year old. just as long as the girl isn't pregnant. that's the only restriction.it's true. And the Arkansas governor says he "isn't concerned"
8/31/2007 12:48:47 AM
^ and ^^That's not my point. I don't doubt the cultural acceptance or even possible legality. My point is the man is hailed as a near saint /demigod. The reality is, whether acceptable or not, he had a predilection toward very young girls. It in no way takes away from all of the good he did, but it certainly brings him back down to humanity.
8/31/2007 11:42:55 AM
8/31/2007 1:40:36 PM
Pope comments: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070901/wl_nm/pope_teresa_dc
9/2/2007 10:50:10 AM
^ meh. that's standard response.but who gives a rat's ass what ol' Joe Ratzinger has to say anyhow.I've been reading more about MT. She really was a twisted fuck. Thank you Ytsejam, for bringing this to my attention.I've even converted my wife. she used to be an MT fan.
9/2/2007 12:03:28 PM
can you post some of the links of those things? i'm interested in reading it too...
9/2/2007 1:30:25 PM
There should never be a time for complacency and being a human being doing God's work, I would say her reaction to her task is rather normal. Is this not how humble people usually feel about their work, less than perfect and always needing completeness. I think there is a point that God's love just needs to be embraced and accepted as a christian but there should always be a healthy assessment of who you are before and without God. She definitely was nothing without God, but she was everything with God.Something that urks me is she does not get the 10 year memorial special that Princess Di got. Where's her special TLC?[Edited on September 5, 2007 at 12:39 PM. Reason : ...]
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9/5/2007 1:05:59 PM
WOW...I don't know what to think of these post. I usually am all about some joe_schmoe but I would have to see more evidence. granted I am not catholic and I usually don't hold this group of people in high esteem, but credible things I have read about her say something different-that is the only reason for my skepticism.
9/6/2007 9:20:59 PM
^ I understand your skepticism. This whole issue has blown apart my preconceptions.until just very recently, I was completely convinced of the righteousness and the benevolence of Mother Teresa's life and mission. To me, she was a shining example of how -- even though most organized religions were a scam and a sham -- pious and devout individuals really could have a tremendously positive effect on the world around us.granted, i had zero first-hand knowledge of anything Mother Teresa's order was doing... but everything I read in the media over the years just cemented this image of her as a living saint.earlier in this very thread, i recoiled with reactionary vitriol at the suggestion that Mother Teresa could somehow be a cruel charlatan and self-serving fraud. Even though I'm not religious at all (I'm most definitely agnostic), at some unconscious level it offended my religious sensibilities that someone would dare attack this little nun who seemed to honestly be doing what could be described as the "work of god"The fact is, i really just wasnt aware of any criticism -- but I also didn't care to look. It was a comfort, i guess, to believe a lie because it gives hope for the goodness of humanity in the face of all the bullshit we see or hear about on a daily basis.Unfortunately, if you look for criticism of Mother Teresa, it's very easy to be found. And the criticism isn't just limited to the examples such as in her Nobel Prize acceptance speech, where she said "abortion is the single greatest threat to world peace" ... or that she campaigned to keep divorce a criminal offense in Ireland ... or that she accepted money from and then publicly praised rulers who engaged in genocidal murder campaigns against their ethnic enemies.If it was just those things, i could overlook them as political inexperience of an apolitical nun.but its much more nefarious than that.
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