http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=1931559

further proof that women are the root of evil.


o yeah, and search turned up nothing.


discuss.

7/22/2007 10:42:31 AM

Dykes and the ACLU on the next Geraldo

Yeah its all bullshit. That bitch lawyer from the ACLU and her smugness. Its a sad state of affairs. Sports has to be equal but things that attract predominately women don't have to be.

7/22/2007 11:04:47 AM

I'm all for women's rights, but I think Title IX is malignant as well.

As far as the money goes, I think there ought to be a "poverty line" for sports programs, to make sure each sport has enough money to play the damn game. Beyond that, if more donate to the baseball program than the softball program, so be it.

As for the number of players, perhaps they could have an annual survey evaluating how many men and women wanted to play, and set the ratio based on that. This is a little less realistic, but it's all I can think of right now.

Of course, neither of those options are legal under Title IX.

7/22/2007 11:11:06 AM

The money is the main thing....hardly any women's sports draw any attendance and make their share of the profit. Whereas men's basketball and football bring in tons of money.

7/22/2007 12:03:24 PM

R.I.P. Collegiate Wrestling

7/22/2007 12:29:29 PM

Hahha wow, that made me so angry.

the most ridiculous segment of that was the highschool one, where the men's and women's teams received the SAME amount of money but the men had just put more work into the field than the women. so the women decide to sue to get their field to look just as nice? WHAT THE HELL!?!

7/22/2007 1:10:21 PM

Fat dyke lawyer, FTL!

7/22/2007 1:20:09 PM

i want to congratulate bricktop for infuriating me today.

that video made me so angry.

7/22/2007 1:28:43 PM

I'm sure I'm in the minority of female athletes (well former ) I completely agree that the implementation of Title IX is sideways. In trying to give women more opportunity to sports, they've taken away opportunities from men in sports such as wrestling, soccer, swimming and diving.

Two ways that this problem could be, somewhat, remedied is by excluding Football in consideration of numbers. Football has a huge roster and therefore sucks up a large number when the consider the percentage comparisons. In addition, actually counting cheerleading as a sport would help in the percentage comparisons as well. The Women's Sports Federation says that they don't want men's sports to be taken away to comply with Title IX, but if the school wants to be inline with the law, then they really don't have many other options.

So yea, I agree that it's an outdated piece of legislation that needs to be thoroughly rethought.

7/22/2007 1:30:35 PM

my issue isn't that it's actively taking rights away from men or giving more to women. it's that it's a completely unnecessary law and being implemented in a completely dishonest way. for instance, that guy's baseball field was nicer because they, themselves, put in more work. and instead of the girls doing the exact same thing, they sued.

^the only numbers it should be about are financial numbers. you give each person an equal OPPORTUNITY. it is up to them to earn the money and do what they need to do. i do however like the idea of a minimum amount, enough so that they are able to play.

[Edited on July 22, 2007 at 1:35 PM. Reason : asd]

7/22/2007 1:33:23 PM

Don't get rid of title IX. Just fix it. Take football out of the equation and the problem is solved.

7/22/2007 1:36:25 PM

They need that extra money so that they can have funds to pursue more lawsuits. Goddammit, I hate the ACLU and lawyers in general.

7/22/2007 1:42:52 PM

that fucking lawyer will feed her fat fucking face with her $900/hr charge... stupid fat fucking cunt.

7/22/2007 2:15:39 PM

I always thought it was an option to show that as long as you're meeting the demands of your population, then an imbalance is okay. Don't create a team for the sake of going 50-50. If your school population is 60-40 guys/girls, then the money should be spent according to that ratio. Is that not true?


[*I wasn't able to watch the video probably cause I'm on a Mac without the necessary plugins, but I was just curious about this aspect of Title IX*]

7/22/2007 3:58:55 PM

I'm on a Mac. You are missing something. Install the lastest versions of Flash, Flip4Mac WMV, and Perian.

7/22/2007 4:01:31 PM

horseshit

7/22/2007 4:02:16 PM

signed

7/22/2007 4:06:29 PM

Man. Lawyers are going to fuck this country in the ass with a giant dildo until the hole is so gaping that we'll all fall in a choke to death on our own feces.

7/22/2007 4:38:16 PM

^, ^^, ^^^

7/22/2007 4:46:19 PM

Quote :

"I always thought it was an option to show that as long as you're meeting the demands of your population, then an imbalance is okay. "

In theory, that's what the law sought to do in the first place. But the question became, how do you measure that the needs of the school is being met, which is where they came up with the rule that your athletics participation had to reflect the gender ratio in the college population.

Quote :

" If your school population is 60-40 guys/girls, then the money should be spent according to that ratio. Is that not true?"

Its not that the money has to be spent equally on the sports, but the scholarships available have to be equivalent.

Which is why I argued that football should be excluded in this equation. I know schools that are adding Crew teams and handing out scholarships for walk-ons so that they can keep their football scholarships.

7/22/2007 5:14:53 PM

there are a lot of ways to fix or at least workaround Title IX, but the single best way to make a workaround that would work, without completely rewriting the law, would be to exclude men's Football from the men:women ration calculation. It's as simple as that. Period.

Background: For nearly every single NCAA sport, there is an equal counterpart, or at least equivalent sport for both men and women. basketball, XC, track, lacrosse, soccer, hockey, swimming, diving, golf all have both men and women's teams. There are men's wrestling & women's volleyball, men's baseball & women's softball. So for all of these sports, there can easily be a 1:1 relationship between men and women athletes without hurting anyone.

Problem:But then there is the elephant in the room - Football, which is a men's only sport that takes 85 scholarships and up to 100 men per team. And there is no women's equivalent. The problem is, though, when the men:women ratios are calculated, the 100 male football players are added into the men's totals, which often strongly skews the ratio towards the men. So basically for each football player, there must be one extra woman or one less man in another sport. That's why you get teams that are so skewed towards women - like 35 women on a Cross Country team and 15 men. Now I don't see how any reasonable woman, lawyer, ACLU member, whatever, could argue that allowing men to play football should somehow punish other men who would rather wrestle or do gymnastics.

Solution:Just take football out of the calculation, and so many people would be so much happier. Only the most ardent feminists would argue about that, but if they want to try to find 100 women at each school who want to form a football (or a woman's equivalent) team, then more power to them.

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LunaK, I think you would be surprised at the number of current and former female athletes feel like you do, once they actually understand how Title IX is being implemented. That is key - just like Stossel said, nobody can argue with the concept of the law, but if you actually look at how it's implemented, then rational women and women athletes have to agree.

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I've seen this bullshit first hand, and I know that there are other women athlete and women coaches who think it's bullshit. I was on the NCSU XC/track teams starting from 1998-2001. First off, both the Men and Women's XC teams at NCSU are national caliber, usually in the NCAA top 10 and have won more ACC titles than any other team at NCSU. So you would think that this would make the teams very difficult to join, right? Since they would only take the top high school athletes? Well, if you're a male, you'd be right - the generally only take State Champions and Footlocker all-americans on scholarship and All State runners as walk-ons. That's because the men's XC team is capped at ~14-16, but the women's goes up to 29, 30, 32, depending on how many spots the school needs them to fill. So while the women's team does get some of the nation's top highschoolers, they will also take basically anyone who ran XC in high school, with full knowledge that these girls have no chance to make the traveling team or to ever contribute to the team at ACCs or NCAAs.

The first week of school in 1998, we had men and women's meeting for introductions and all that. To the men, the coach said this:
"guys - i'm sorry, but by the end of this semester, 2 [of the 16-17 in the room] of you will have to be cut. So make every race count"
Then he turned and said this:
"ladies - we need to fill a few more positions [they were 'only' at 29 or so]. If you know anybody on campus who likes to run or wants to get better, send them to me"

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here is a great resource that lays out the implementation, the problems, and some solutions for Title IX. I used this in Sophomore English to write a research paper on the topic.
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/8682/title9/old.html

[Edited on July 22, 2007 at 6:33 PM. Reason : /.]

7/22/2007 6:30:08 PM

Ok, I'll take the minority report and say that it's amazing how many people treat sports from public schools as a private entity and feel they can do whatever they want with it. People shouldn't be bitching about the lawyers but bitching about the law itself.

7/22/2007 8:20:20 PM

how do people manage to completely fuck up anything meant for their own good?

7/22/2007 8:23:00 PM

The law, while noble in its intention, has obviously become distorted by lawyers. And it is the tax payers who are forced to pay for that mistake.

But who gives the lawyers a reason to do this shit in the first place? People like those twins in the video who think they can sue and whine to the system to get what they want. The parents worked hard on their own time and dime to get the boy's baseball field all that nice stuff. If the girls wanted help with their field, they could have asked their parents for help or looked for sponsors. But that takes time and effort, neither of which they could be bothered with. Instead they decided to run to the government and cry "DISCRIMINATION!" In their defense, they were apologetic for the boy's field getting stripped of all that stuff. But how many more people are out there who will force everyone else to cater to their desires by throwing a temper tantrum until the government makes a law that punishes you for having more simply because you worked harder?

I'm not saying that lawyers are blameless; most lawyers these days are pretty much scum. But they're given an incentive to do so. Our legal system is full of stories like this because the selfish people have overrun our courts with lawsuits to which common sense would not give the time of day, while the good people just sit on their hands and wish for it all to go away.

7/22/2007 8:31:23 PM

Quote :

"People shouldn't be bitching about the lawyers but bitching about the law itself."

But lawyers are the ones that shape interpretations of the law based on the cases raised.

7/22/2007 11:28:59 PM

The path to hell is littered with good intentions [/Title IX].

7/22/2007 11:37:19 PM

where are John Edwards supporters in this thread ?

Lawyers are great, they understand about the two Americas... I love Johnny he's my hero

7/23/2007 3:14:19 PM

^ Ha! Yeah, there are two Americas. John Edwards lives in the better one and his house takes up a good portion of that second America.

7/23/2007 3:18:19 PM

wow, that's amazing. that gets a ten for finding any possible way to take a completely unrelated topic and attack Edwards with it.

nice work. your next issue to do the same thing: how do we blame john edwards for the struggles of the ethnic kurds?

7/23/2007 3:54:15 PM

Title IX is stupid especially in the case of high school baseball field. In high school our baseball team's field was better than the girls because as a team we raised money to improve it. We got sponsors just like that baseball coach did and did all the work ourselves as a team. I think its stupid that those girls got things taken away from the baseball team simply because they were lazy. Sometimes Common Sense should be used.

7/23/2007 4:44:17 PM

7/23/2007 4:56:07 PM

Ahh, the good ol' days!

7/23/2007 5:20:13 PM

.... is it a good thing that my work filter blocked that image?

7/23/2007 5:30:32 PM

No it's SFW

7/23/2007 5:31:03 PM