http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3407841,00.html

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"'I was put in a gas chamber,' says Israeli doctor 06.03.07 Itamar Eichner An Israeli doctor who underwent tight security checks at San Francisco International claims that she was humiliated only because of her nationality. Dr Dorit Zilberman, a senior urologist at the Chaim Sheba Medical Center at Tel Hashomer who was visiting the United States for the first time for a professional conference, claimed that airport security officials led her to what she called a sort of "gas chamber", where she was sprayed with a strong current of air for two minutes, which caused her great pain. Zilberman filed a complaint with the Foreign Ministry on the matter, and sources at the ministry said they would discuss the subject with the Americans, while adding that the number of Israeli complaints of treatment at American airports has recently been on the rise. After her handbag passed the standard airport screening, Zilberman was told she had to undergo further security checks and was asked to step aside. "They took me aside, examined me scrupulously. It was a pretty humiliating situation," Zilberman wrote in her complaint. The doctor claimed that once she presented her Israeli passport she was told to walk on a different path than the other passengers. "It was a dead end path that led to a kind of corner," she told Ynet. "I thought I misheard the instructions and I tried to retrace my steps, another woman from the security crew ordered me to stop in a tone as if she was talking to a retard. She told me 'You don't understand, it says here that you should stop and wait for a crew member to approach you.'" Zilberman then asked another crew member why this was being done to her, and if it was because she was Israeli. The crew member simply answered, "I don't know." Zilberman said she was then lead to a sealed chamber and asked to get in, she was told that she would feel "a flow like in the shower". "When I walked in, barrages of compressed gas - probably air - were fired at me. Since I am thin, it was very painful. I was then taken out of that 'gas chamber' and taken to another corner where I was asked to take off my shoes, my hand bag was taken from me and my belongings were taken out one by one and scanned along with my shoes in special paper for tracing dangerous substances. "At that point I started to cry and told the man that in my country I am a respected doctor, and that I had never experienced such a chain of humiliations. He told me that if I didn’t like it, I could call the supervisor." Zilberman said that in all the countries she had visited, she had never experienced such humiliation just because she was Israeli. "My family perished in the gas chambers in Europe. I never believed that 65 years later, I would be marked, isolated and taken into a gas chamber." An examination by Yedioth Ahronoth reporter Aryeh Egozi showed that the so-called "gas chamber" Zilberman spoke of is meant to track traces of explosive materials on passengers' clothing. Air currents meant to release particles of explosives are sprayed at the passenger, and sensors in the chamber examine these particles. The examination method was authorized by all relevant bodies in the United States and poses no damage whatsoever to the examinee. European airport authorities are considering applying a similar search method as well."

ROTFLMFAO

7/19/2007 7:46:08 AM

While I'm sure that was very frightening for her, I don't think this article deserves any attention at all, least of all a thread.

7/19/2007 7:50:51 AM

To compensate for people that go through the chamber, they should put a whole bunch of one dollar bills in it. Grab as many as you can!

7/19/2007 7:52:44 AM

OY VEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

7/19/2007 7:54:19 AM

So fake. Just like the Holocaust. There were no gas chambers. It was just a fabrication made up by the Zionist controlled media to elicit sympathy for them internationally to allow them to take over Palestine illegally.

7/19/2007 8:06:25 AM

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"Hal Turner Show News Comment Area Unfortunately for us, it wasn't a gas chamber! Hal, She's just embarrassed that 10lb of bagel crumbs flew out of her hook nose from the blast of air! Fritz Cracker | 07.15.07 - 12:28 am"

7/19/2007 8:07:28 AM

Why is this even worth a thread in the Soap Box?

If you want to make a stupid thread that you can't even make an intelligent comment about then put it in Chit Chat.

7/19/2007 10:45:04 AM

ibtl

7/19/2007 10:46:25 AM

7/19/2007 10:55:18 AM

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"they should put a whole bunch of one dollar bills in it. Grab as many as you can! "

so wrong

7/19/2007 11:15:09 AM

WE MUST STOP THESE MONSTROUS AIRPORT NAZIS BEFORE THEY CARRY OUT ANOTHER HOAXACAUST!!!

NEVER AGAIN!!!!!!!

7/19/2007 11:15:25 AM

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"ibtl"

7/19/2007 11:17:12 AM

So what was your point in making this thread?

7/19/2007 11:17:23 AM

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"ibtl"

yes, you want censorship. we get it

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"So what was your point in making this thread?"

don't blame me for the stupidity of your precious jews. i'm just pointing it out

7/19/2007 11:21:01 AM

dude, if you concentrated on getting laid as much as you concentrate on this conspiracy shit you would be Ron Jeremy. Man you are a weird.

7/19/2007 11:21:53 AM

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"don't blame me for the stupidity of your precious jews."

Stupid? But I thought that they were intelligent enough to control world government, the world economy banking, international terrorism, and even weather.

You're really contradicting yourself here, little buddy.

7/19/2007 11:24:41 AM

stupidity

mental illness

7/19/2007 11:28:45 AM

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"yes, you want censorship. we get it"

actually regardless of how much i might disagree with you on many things i dont want censorship...but even a batshit crazy loon like yourself knows this is not soap box material

7/19/2007 11:31:28 AM

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"yes, you want censorship. we get it"

Thats not censorship. If you wanted to make this thread you should have made it in Chit Chat or maybe even the lounge, don't blame Tree for the stupidity of your precious thread.

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"mental illness"

How is one woman being traumatized at an airport indicative of a mental illness present in all members of a religion?

By the way, when are you going to answer some of the questions in your last jew thread?

7/19/2007 11:32:59 AM

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"So what was your point in making this thread?"

What was the point of the Jewish news organization publishing an article on this??

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"How is one woman being traumatized at an airport...."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

7/19/2007 11:34:30 AM

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"What was the point of the Jewish news organization publishing an article on this??"

Neat, you answered a question with another question. Here's my answer: Why do news organizations publish any articles about individuals filing complaints?

I'm still waiting for you to make one intelligent comment.

7/19/2007 11:38:39 AM

7/19/2007 11:38:59 AM

man, these articles pop up all the time


I'm being discrinated against because I'm black, white, Muslim, Jewish, Christian, atheist, etc...however this article is not biased, it merely reported the facts including this

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"An examination by Yedioth Ahronoth reporter Aryeh Egozi showed that the so-called "gas chamber" Zilberman spoke of is meant to track traces of explosive materials on passengers' clothing. Air currents meant to release particles of explosives are sprayed at the passenger, and sensors in the chamber examine these particles. The examination method was authorized by all relevant bodies in the United States and poses no damage whatsoever to the examinee. European airport authorities are considering applying a similar search method as well.""

Which basically explains to the reader that it was safe, used frequently in airports in the US, and even Europe is thinking about adopting it. THERE IS NO BIAS HERE EXCEPT IN YOUR HEAD

7/19/2007 11:40:08 AM

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"Which basically explains to the reader that it was safe"

NO!!

SHE WAS TRAUMATIZED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

7/19/2007 11:48:29 AM

hey


who gives a shit

7/19/2007 11:50:27 AM

How is one woman being traumatized at an airport indicative of a mental illness present in all members of a religion?

By the way, when are you going to answer some of the questions in your last jew thread?

I'm still not totally clear on what you are bitching about in this thread.

[Edited on July 19, 2007 at 11:57 AM. Reason : .]

7/19/2007 11:56:58 AM

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"hey who gives a shit"

well the j00$ got their panties in a wad over this

if possible, this jewess would probably like to make some $$ playing the hoaxacaust card and suing the airport

7/19/2007 11:57:54 AM

^^^ Where? Give me a quote in the article. There is no bias here man...and if there is, hell most people will think its anti-jewish. I mean take a tally of the people who read the article and think to themselves "That poor woman, why do people hate the jews so much" and the people who laugh, roll their eyes and think "haha, stupid jew"...which do you honestly think will have a higher tally?


I just think its a woman who wants attention and who is used to being treated above the common man because she is a good doctor. I don't see race in this and I don't see bias in the article.



[Edited on July 19, 2007 at 12:00 PM. Reason : a]

7/19/2007 11:58:44 AM

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"well the j00$ got their panties in a wad over this"

Where does the article say anything along those lines? It makes it abundantly clear that this involves a single person who was offended and filed a complaint. It says absolutely nothing about the jewish community taking offense.

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"if possible, this jewess would probably like to make some $$ playing the hoaxacaust card and suing the airport"

It doesn't say that anywhere. Once again you are making baseless assumptions and trying to pass them off as more than the random musings of a sheltered little boy on the internet.

As usual you're spinning blatant lies in an effort to strengthen an already failing position.

And Jesus Christ, this is from an Israeli news source. Are you going to begin pulling stories from Israeli sources and labeling every domestic story as an instance of jews complaining?

[Edited on July 19, 2007 at 12:12 PM. Reason : .]

7/19/2007 12:07:25 PM

She needs to quit whining. I'm a doctooorrrrrr!

7/19/2007 12:17:54 PM

YOU DO NOT TALK TO ME THAT WAY

I DRIVE A DODGE STRATUS

7/19/2007 12:20:02 PM

NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR CRAPPY DODGE STRATUS

7/19/2007 12:28:35 PM

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"Hal Turner Show News Comment Area This is a very authentic Nazi gas chamber...(ie. Nobody died from it) ............. Lachlan | 07.17.07 - 4:24 am"

ie, the "gas chambers" at the German WWII slave labor and detention camps were INSECTICIDAL gas chambers....ie, used to prevent typhus and other diseases, and therefore used to save Jewish lives

7/19/2007 12:43:01 PM

what about this, salisburyboy?

Rudolf Hoess, Commandant of Auschwitz:
Testimony at Nuremburg, 1946

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1946hoess.html

[Edited on July 19, 2007 at 12:55 PM. Reason : ,]

7/19/2007 12:47:57 PM

"testimony" extracted via torture

that's reliable

7/19/2007 12:50:27 PM

do you have evidence to support the torturing of participants in the Nuremburg Trials?

7/19/2007 12:52:28 PM

Goddammit just reading this pisses me off.

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"1, RUDOLF FRANZ FERDINAND HOESS, being first duly sworn, depose and say as follows: 1. I am forty­six years old, and have been a member of the NSDAPI since 1922; a member of the SS since 1934; a member of the Waffen­SS since 1939. I was a member from 1 December 1934 of the SS Guard Unit, the so­called Deathshead Formation (Totenkopf Verband). 2. I have been constantly associated with the administration of concentration camps since 1934, serving at Dachau until 1938; then as Adjutant in Sachsenhausen from 1938 to 1 May, 1940, when I was appointed Commandant of Auschwitz. l commanded Auschwitz until 1 December,1943, and estimate that at least 2,500,000 victims were executed and exterminated there by gassing and burning, and at least another half million succumbed to starvation and disease, making a total dead of about 3,000,000. This figure represents about 70% or 80% of all persons sent to Auschwitz as prisoners, the remainder having been selected and used for slave labor in the concentration camp industries. Included among the executed and burnt were approximately 20,000 Russian prisoners of war (previously screened out of Prisoner of War cages by the Gestapo) who were delivered at Auschwitz in Wehrmacht transports operated by regular Wehrmacht officers and men. The remainder of the total number of victims included about 100,000 German Jews, and great numbers of citizens (mostly Jewish) from Holland, France, Belgium, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Greece, or other countries. We executed about 400,000 Hungarian Jews alone at Auschwitz in the summer of 1944. 4. Mass executions by gassing commenced during the summer 1941 and continued until fall 1944.1 personally supervised executions at Auschwitz until the first of December 1943 and know by reason of my continued duties in the Inspectorate of Concentration Camps WVHA2 that these mass executions continued as stated above. All mass executions by gassing took place under the direct order, supervision and responsibility of RSHA.31 received all orders for carrying out these mass executions directly from RSHA. 6. The "final solution" of the Jewish question meant the complete extermination of all Jews in Europe. l was ordered to establish extermination facilities at Auschwitz in June 1941. At that time there were already in the general govemment three other extermination camps; BELZEK, TREBLINKA and WOLZEK. These camps were under the Einsatzkommando of the Security Police and SD. I visited Treblinka to find out how they carried out their exterminations. The Camp Commandant at Treblinka told me that he had liquidated 80,000 in the course of one­half year. He was principally concerned with liquidating all the Jews from the Warsaw Ghetto. He used monoxide gas and I did not think that his methods were very efficient. So when I set up the extermination building at Auschwitz, l used Cyclon B, which was a crystallized Prussic Acid which we dropped into the death chamber from a small opening. It took from 3 to 15 minutes to kill the people in the death chamber depending upon climatic conditions. We knew when the people were dead because their screaming stopped. We usually waited about one­half hour before we opened the doors and removed the bodies. After the bodies were removed our special commandos took off the rings and extracted the gold from the teeth of the corpses. 7. Another improvement we made over Treblinka was that we built our gas chambers to accommodate 2,000 people at one time, whereas at Treblinka their 10 gas chambers only accommodated 200 people each. The way we selected our victims was as follows: we had two SS doctors on duty at Auschwitz to examine the incoming transports of prisoners. The prisoners would be marched by one of the doctors who would make spot decisions as they walked by. Those who were fit for work were sent into the Camp. Others were sent immediately to the extermination plants. Children of tender years were invariably exterminated since by reason of their youth they were unable to work. Still another improvement we made over Treblinka was that at Treblinka the victims almost always knew that they were to be exterminated and at Auschwitz we endeavored to fool the victims into thinking that they were to go through a delousing process. Of course, frequently they realized our true intentions and we sometimes had riots and difficulties due to that fact. Very frequently women would hide their children under the clothes but of course when we found them we would send the children in to be exterminated. We were required to carry out these exterminations in secrecy but of course the foul and nauseating stench from the continuous burning of bodies permeated the entire area and all of the people living in the surrounding communities knew that exterminations were going on at Auschwitz . "

Me and some of my Jew buddies are gonna launch an operation Wrath of God on some local german kids.

7/19/2007 1:02:25 PM

http://www.zundelsite.org/english/advanced_articles/incorrect.011a.html

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"...at the heart of the Nuremberg Tribunal stand certain words: "Genocide" "Gas chamber." "Six million." These words, and the value judgment concepts they connote, were derived largely from the admissions and affidavit of one man, Rudolf Hoess, the one-time war-time Kommandant at Auschwitz. Rudolf Hoess was the Allies' most important witness to the "Holocaust." His affidavit and his testimony were quoted extensively both by the prosecution and in the judgment of the IMT at Nuremberg, as well as by the press. It was his testimony which laid the foundation and validated the claim of the ". . . extermination of millions of people by gas at Auschwitz." Hoess's "confession" is heavily relied upon by historians like Raul Hilberg and others as a primary documentary source to this day. [...] We now know from the book "Legions of Death" that Rudolf Hoess was beaten almost to death by Jewish members of the British Field Police Force upon capture and badly mistreated thereafter until he gave this very devastating "testimony" and "affidavit" used by the Allies propagandists ever since. [...] Historians today are finally admitting that Hoess is a totally unreliable witness--and is it any wonder? He spoke of a concentration camp "Wolzek" which does not even exist. He swore that 2,500,000 people were gassed and burned at Auschwitz and a further half million died of disease, for a total dead of three million."

7/19/2007 1:03:01 PM

so he got the shit beat out of him when captured

that's not torture

that's understandable, he was culpable in the deaths of millions of innocents

...

but, i'm done, there is a ton of evidence, JUST LIKE THAT

all it took me was a second to produce one official statement

if I took a minute i could, undoubtable, produce dozens more

7/19/2007 1:09:37 PM

^^ So, just so we all understand, you are saying my grandfather a lied?

I could understand if you were arguing that the numbers were inflated, but what the western soldiers saw with their own eyes spoke strongly to intent, whether they were actually that successful (being a socialist state, after-all) is easily questionable.

[Edited on July 19, 2007 at 1:20 PM. Reason : ^]

7/19/2007 1:17:33 PM

So after everyone attacks the original intent of this thread, instead of defending his claims, salisburyboy just changes the subject to something else?

7/19/2007 1:18:29 PM

Is this story even real? Being that I live just outside of SF and watch the news every night you'd think I'd hear SOMETHING about it... but no, nothing.

I guess it was a non-story which is why no real news outlets picked it up...

[Edited on July 19, 2007 at 1:24 PM. Reason : x]

7/19/2007 1:23:25 PM

The Nuremberg "trials" were not real trials. It was a show. A kangaroo court used to lay the foundation for the propaganda that is the "official" story on WWII. The victors of any war always write the "history." And it is skewed and twisted to vindicate the victors and demonize the losers.

http://www.historiography-project.org/misc/hoess.html

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"One of Höss' torturers told what happened during those three days: We sat in the cell with him, night and day, armed with axe handles. Our job was to prod him every time he fell asleep to help break down his resistance," said Mr. Jones. When Höss was taken out for exercise, he was made to wear only jeans and a thin cotton shire in the bitter cold. After three days and nights without sleep, Höss finally broke down and made a full confession to the authorities. He also spoke of his mistreatment in his memoir: I was treated terribly by the [British] Field Security Police. I was dragged to Heide and, of all places, to the same military barracks from which I had been released eight months before by the British. During the first interrogation they beat me to obtain evidence. I do not know what was in the transcript, or what I said, even though I signed it, because they gave me liquor and beat me with a whip. [...] Few historians have been willing to examine the implications of Höss' torture. Raul Hilberg, who quotes Höss 42 times in the first edition of his book, The Destruction of European Jews, testified when cross-examined by Doug Christie in the 1985 trial of Ernst Zündel that he failed to mention the fact that Höss had been tortured in his 800-page book with 3,000 footnotes, because: I did not consider relevant the question of torture in any matter, if it was torture. All we have is his [Höss'] statement, his allegation. That's all we have. In the Zündel trial of 1988, Christopher Browning testified that he thought he had read that Höss was tortured, but did not know if the allegation was true. It is remarkable that two leading Holocaust historians would feign ignorance of or disinterest in Höss' claims of torture, on the basis that such claims were uncorraborated, and that they would do so under oath, after the 1983 publication of Legions of Death and a1986 article in the Wrexham Leader, which provide corroboration."

7/19/2007 1:24:41 PM

Quit hijacking your own thread

7/19/2007 1:33:31 PM

If this site were moderated like a real forum and trash like this banned then discussion here would be a thousand times better.

7/19/2007 1:40:22 PM

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"If this site were moderated like a real forum and trash like this banned then discussion here would be a thousand times better."

I wish that were true, but I doubt it

7/19/2007 1:42:04 PM

i don't think that his thoughts and opinions should be "banned"

i think the 1 thread per week limit is smart though

we just need to be smart enough not to be dragged into his idiocy

7/19/2007 1:43:01 PM

AIR IS A GAS, SO SHE WASN'T LYING.

7/19/2007 1:57:35 PM

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"It was his testimony which laid the foundation and validated the claim of the ". . . extermination of millions of people by gas at Auschwitz." Hoess's "confession" is heavily relied upon by historians like Raul Hilberg and others as a primary documentary source to this day."

No it isn't. It's one of thousands of pieces of evidence. However, it's one of the few that you can attempt to excuse away, so you try to make it a keystone of the entire notion of the Holocaust. Once again you are spinning lies and misrepresentations to support a bankrupt position.

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"We now know from the book "Legions of Death" that Rudolf Hoess was beaten almost to death by Jewish members of the British Field Police Force upon capture and badly mistreated thereafter until he gave this very devastating "testimony" and "affidavit" used by the Allies propagandists ever since."

Another blatant lie. The statement introduced as PS-3868 was the result of Robert Storey's interrogation of Hoess, and witnessed by American, not British, officers.

From your article:

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"Two days later on March 16, Höss signed a statement under oath in English."

The statement was in his native German and was later translated into English, French and Russian.

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"Ten days later on April 15, 1946, when Höss testified at the Nuremberg trial, portions of the affidavit were read to him, and he reaffirmed their accuracy."

Why didn't he recant? Why did he again reaffirm his statement in his memoirs written after his conviction?

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"He also spoke of his mistreatment in his memoir:"

This is the same memoir. Obviously no one was editing his claims.

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"We sat in the cell with him, night and day, armed with axe handles. Our job was to prod him every time he fell asleep to help break down his resistance," said Mr. Jones. When Höss was taken out for exercise, he was made to wear only jeans and a thin cotton shire in the bitter cold. After three days and nights without sleep, Höss finally broke down and made a full confession to the authorities."

Sleep deprivation is not torture. Moreover, this confession wasn't even used during the Nuremburg trial, however, it is in complete agreement with Hoess' memoirs as well as the statement later given to the Americans.

7/19/2007 2:08:20 PM

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"If this site were moderated like a real forum and trash like this banned then discussion here would be a thousand times better"

HOORAY FOR VIEWPOINT CENSORSHIP!



"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer and impossible to ignore. The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used against them -- except force."

--JBR Yant

7/19/2007 2:22:49 PM