http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article1637528.ece
4/13/2007 9:19:59 AM
yeah, but don't you realize that YOU'RE KILLING BABIES!!!
4/13/2007 9:28:18 AM
4/13/2007 9:28:57 AM
BABIES ARE DYING
4/13/2007 9:37:30 AM
those babies would have been aborted anyway
4/13/2007 9:41:35 AM
good stuff. my wife, punchmonk is a type 1 diabetic so i'm looking forward to more research like this
4/13/2007 9:42:42 AM
This is most excellent.
4/13/2007 10:03:47 AM
although this therapy uses adult stem cells, i've always been surprised at the animosity toward using embryonic stem cells. probably 80%+ of molecular biology labs that do cell culture use cells derived from aborted fetuses in some capacity (thankfully, i guess, the public doesn't know about this).
4/13/2007 12:51:43 PM
^
4/13/2007 12:56:36 PM
^^ if the public is opposed to embryonic stem cell research, it's because 1) they've been misinformed, and 2) their opinions are being shaped by politicians with ulterior motives. I would like to hear the following line of questioning to everybody who opposes embryonic stem cell research. I would also like to hear this asked to Bush (who's only veto yet was against stem cells) in a public forum:Q: are you opposed to embryonic stem cell research?A: yesQ: why?A: because I support the sanctity of life. we should not destroy life for something that might beQ: Do you support in vitro fertilization?A: of courseQ: why?A: because people should be allowed every opportunity to have children, even if they're not able to naturallyQ: Do you know that the process of in vitro fertilization creates dozens of embryos, any of which might have potential to grow into a human, only one of which is planted in the uterus, after which only 1 in 3 women actually carry to term?A: ummm, i'm not sure. Q: Do you still support in vitro fertilization?A: well, yeah, because those people have a right to have babies if they want themQ: Do you realize that they discard all of the dozens of embryos that are created in the lab, except for the one that is implanted in the woman? A: mhum.....Q: Do you still support IVF?A: yes, if it gives people who otherwise could not have children even the chance of having kids, then it is overall a good thingQ: And you're ok with them discarding the 10's of embryos in an effort to create a single, viable embryo?A: well, why can't they just create a single embryo per couple?Q: because then the success rate would be nearly 0% and IVF would not be possibleA: ok then, I guess it's ok, as long as they try their best to create an embryo that could lead to the couple having a childQ: Would you be opposed to using the embryos that are otherwise going to be, literally, thrown in the garbage for research that could benefit millions of people?A: …… *crickets*
4/13/2007 1:58:33 PM
^ !!!!
4/13/2007 2:00:16 PM
4/13/2007 2:03:32 PM
science = hates our freedoms and tuks our jerbs
4/13/2007 2:13:55 PM
^^, maybe you'd like to fill the in the answers to ^^^^. "NO MATTER HOW HARD THEY TRY, THEY JUST CAN'T SEEM TO GET IT TO WORK" - you know, for that statement to be true, you have to allow them to try first. These things don't happen overnight, and they've only been a work on this stuff a few years. Yes, private funding can still go towards this research, but it's been shown time and time again that federal funding is all but necessary for projects like this that take a long time to complete (and therefore have low short to mid-term ROIs for private companies) and to reduce redundant research (by controlling grants from a central location to allow researchers to build off of each other instead of doing the same work over and over again)[Edited on April 13, 2007 at 2:16 PM. Reason : .]
4/13/2007 2:15:42 PM
^ I was unaware that they weren't allowed to try. If this magic embreyonic stem cell stuff has the curing power that it "potentially" does... then I figured it would have TONS of investors ready to cash in on the science.But....
4/13/2007 2:21:01 PM
there actually is plenty of private and now state money (for me anyway-I'm in california). and it doesn't really matter if it ever cures anything: they're an interesting model system for studying development in general. they are a great thing to study regardless of any future potential therapies.
4/13/2007 3:01:21 PM
FIX MY DIABEETUS!Please.
4/13/2007 4:33:53 PM
ok so if they're a research plaything, is it worth lives? That's the whole issue here and you proved my point.
4/13/2007 4:34:50 PM
my point is more that the federal gov't already funds plenty of "killing" of embryos but no one gives a shit b/c they're not called embryonic stem cells.
4/13/2007 4:37:07 PM
FIX MY DIABEETUS!Please
4/13/2007 5:31:24 PM
4/13/2007 8:49:53 PM
AMAZING... bring on attack of the 500lb former diabetics... how big can they get?Seriously, stem cells seem to be the future. It is ridiculous to simply throw this stuff out like garbage when it can really help people.
4/13/2007 9:41:54 PM
don't be ignant, fool
4/13/2007 10:33:41 PM
In fact, you can be a skinny fuck if you have type 1 diabetes.See:<--
4/13/2007 11:17:09 PM
4/13/2007 11:30:55 PM
fool? Most people with diabetes have type 2 diabetes. Diabetes is more common among older adults, men, and minorities, according to the CDC.Are you aware of the epidemic of obesity and rise of type 2 diabetes in this country?In the United States, about 18.2 million people have diabetes, including 210,000 under the age of 20.The rise in the rate of diabetes in this country is directly related to obesity.New cases (incidence) of diabetes doubled during the last 30 years, mainly among obese people, write Caroline Fox, MD, MPH, and colleagues.“The cause of the increase in diabetes incidence is likely related to changes in obesity and lifestyle,” write Fox and colleagues. “Obesity and weight gain are the leading risk factors for the development of diabetes.”Diabetes, hypertension and other obesity-related chronic diseases that are prevalent among adults have now become more common in youngsters. The percentage of children and adolescents who are overweight and obese is now higher than ever before. Poor dietary habits and inactivity are reported to contribute to the increase of obesity in youth. You want to call me ignant? because I linked obesity to diabeties? Its close to 90% of diabetics are type 2. We used to classify diabetics as insulin dependant, and nondependant.. but those numbers got skewed as historically insulin meant type 1..however as people became more obese, the type 2s couldnt control it with pills alone..and had to also take insulin.
4/13/2007 11:54:26 PM
this article and thread is about type 1 diabetes. your inability to distinguish the two shows your ignorance
4/14/2007 12:21:18 AM
4/14/2007 12:33:38 AM
well, I don't know about "the gov't shouldn't be denying funding..." I'm not entirely sure that the gov't should be helping fund the research, but I will certainly agree that the gov't shouldn't ban the research altogether
4/14/2007 8:02:41 PM
^ ok, well that's reasonable. And that's why there are institutions to deal with who gets money, like the National Institute of Health. It's up to them to determine what research is valid enough to deserve money. And if they decide stem-cell research is not worth the grants, then that's their prerogative, but like you said, they shouldn't be denied by law from making that decision themselves.
4/14/2007 9:48:47 PM
fyihttp://www.ft.com/cms/s/bedffcb2-1479-11dc-88cb-000b5df10621.html
6/7/2007 12:04:03 AM
FTLStem cell research FTW. Mostly not for me though, unless they find some way to stop my immune system, pop in new beta cells, pop in stem cells, and keep me from dying in the meantime until, quite magically, my aidsabeetus goes away.
6/7/2007 12:07:39 AM