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"With every Pac-10 loss, Arizona State closes in on history By ANDREW BAGNATO, AP Sports Writer February 15, 2007 TEMPE, Ariz. (AP) -- Arizona State coach Herb Sendek wore an all-black sweatsuit to his news conference this week. The outfit reflected ASU's season, but not Sendek's mood. He's remained upbeat even as his Sun Devils (6-18, 0-13 Pac-10) try to avoid becoming the first Pac-10 team to go winless in conference play since the league expanded to 10 schools in 1978-79. "Nobody has me on any type of careful watch," Sendek said with a wry smile. "I'm fine. I really am. In fact, I've been in some cases worse off than I am now." His team, unfortunately, has not. The Sun Devils' 14 straight losses overall are a school record, and they are closing in on the 37-year-old school record for losses in a season, 22. The Pac-10 has had some woeful basketball teams. Even the worst -- Arizona in 1982-83 and Washington State in three other seasons -- managed at least one conference victory. Some teams chase history. The Sun Devils hope to dodge it. "We don't want to be those guys that show up in the record books," said sophomore forward Jeff Pendergraph, who averages 12.3 points and a team-high 9.3 rebounds per game. The Sun Devils figure to be heavy underdogs in their last five regular-season games. On Thursday night, they host No. 5 UCLA. Three nights later, No. 22 USC comes to town. And No. 19 Arizona visits next week in what shapes up as a virtual home game for the Wildcats, whose campus is 90 miles from Wells Fargo Arena. The Sun Devils finish the regular season with games at Stanford on March 1 and at California on March 3; ASU is a combined 6-18 in the Bay Area since 1994-95. "Fourteen losses in a row, and then we could be the first team to go winless in the Pac-10 -- it's a lot of motivation," Pendergraph said. The Sun Devils have not lacked motivation. Former ASU coach Bill Frieder says that's a tribute to Sendek, who promised that it would take time to rebuild when he replaced the fired Rob Evans last April. "I think Herb is doing a fantastic job," said Frieder, who follows the Pac-10 as a broadcaster. "There's no question that the program was down when he got there," Frieder said. "It's just amazing to me that he's kept them extremely competitive. Usually when you lose, you start to have attitude problems. Guys start complaining. That hasn't happened." Sendek said he doesn't expect his players' emotions to become a problem. "To be honest with you, it's not something that we've had to invest a lot of time addressing," he said. "In other words, we don't come in and try to be Dr. Phil or Bob Newhart. "Our time and our energy is invested on getting better," Sendek said. "What can we learn, and what do we have to do right now to move forward?" What they need is more experience. More scorers. More good fortune. A combination of offseason roster turnover, a series of close losses and a ruthlessly demanding league have conspired against Sendek and his young team, which has three freshmen and a sophomore playing important roles. The Sun Devils are 2-10 in games decided by five points or fewer. Their last four losses -- two against ranked opponents -- have come by a combined 14 points. The closest shot at victory came Feb. 3, when ASU battled back from a 16-point second-half deficit against then-No. 18 Washington State, only to lose when Christian Polk's 3-pointer clanged off the rim at the buzzer. "They had Washington State (beaten)," Arizona coach Lute Olson said on the Pac-10 coaches teleconference this week. "That last shot was down in the bucket and then back out again. But it's just a matter of learning how to win. They have played people really tough and I think that will continue to be the situation." The Sun Devils could use senior guard Kevin Kruger, who led the team in scoring last year but transferred to UNLV in the offseason to play for his father, Lon. Another backcourt starter, Bryson Krueger, was kicked off the team for off-the-court problems last summer. Throw in the strength of the Pac-10, which has had seven different teams in the Top 25 this season, and it's easy to see why the Sun Devils are still looking for that elusive first conference victory. If there's an upside to being down, it's that there's plenty of opportunities for newcomers. Sendek and his staff have put together a recruiting class led by touted shooting guard James Harden of Artesia High School in Lakewood, Calif. (Sendek's staff includes Harden's former coach at Artesia, Scott Pera.) The Sun Devils also will add 6-foot-10 center Eric Boateng, a transfer from Duke, where he earned little playing time as a freshman. The future appears brighter. But Sendek, who left North Carolina State to accept a five-year contract that pays $900,000 per year, won't look ahead because he wants to help this group keep improving, even if it doesn't show in the standings. "Our guys are doing the best they can right now," Sendek said. "And the fact that it hasn't been validated with a win doesn't take away from the process.""

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/news?slug=ap-slidingsundevils&prov=ap&type=lgns

probably old but eh

2/15/2007 12:10:36 PM

hhahha

2/15/2007 12:13:07 PM

not unexpected, he couldn't have gone into a worse situation

2/15/2007 12:14:27 PM

HAHAHAHA

good

2/15/2007 12:16:51 PM

i hate our "fans".

[Edited on February 15, 2007 at 12:19 PM. Reason : better]

2/15/2007 12:18:01 PM

i hate herb, sorry

2/15/2007 12:18:40 PM

wasnt herb supposed to be an improvement to arizona state's program?

2/15/2007 12:19:49 PM

couldnt the same be said about sidney?

i get a big kick out of people saying "give sidney time...he has to get his own players and teach his system" and then turn around and say "haha, look how much herb sucks at ASU!"

although sidneys situation wasnt ideal, it was a lot better then ASUs.

[Edited on February 15, 2007 at 12:22 PM. Reason : d]

2/15/2007 12:20:15 PM

whats that?

coming into a bad situation

Sidney is doing a better job

plus he is part of the "family"

2/15/2007 12:21:22 PM

we wouldn't have made the tourny this year with or without herb


with herb we wouldn't beat UNC-CH either

2/15/2007 12:22:25 PM

thats not the point. it has nothing to do with herb vs sidney. it has to do with our fans.

[Edited on February 15, 2007 at 12:24 PM. Reason : s]

2/15/2007 12:23:07 PM

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""Nobody has me on any type of careful watch," Sendek said with a wry smile. "I'm fine. I really am. In fact, I've been in some cases worse off than I am now.""

sounds like a dig at wolfpack nation.....or maybe I am reading into it too much

2/15/2007 12:24:19 PM

isnt Herb the only coach in a BCS conference with no conference wins?

2/15/2007 12:24:28 PM

hahahahahahahah

Are there any Herb supporters still on the board? thought they left with the UNC-CH win a few weeks ago.

[Edited on February 15, 2007 at 12:25 PM. Reason : ss]

2/15/2007 12:25:13 PM

fuck herb

2/15/2007 12:25:22 PM

I like Herb still. I don't have a problem that he is not still here and am happy with Sidney..

I guess a lot of people on here don't have brains enough to accept that people can still like Herb Sendek and be glad that our coach is Sidney Lowe. Go figure...

A lot of our fans our just vendetta filled pricks with a serious inferiority complex.

[Edited on February 15, 2007 at 12:27 PM. Reason : x]

2/15/2007 12:26:43 PM

lol...here are the winless (conference) teams in the country...great company Herb:

North Florida 0-14 (Atlantic Sun)
East Carolina 0-11 (LOL Conference USA)
Maryland-Eastern Shore 0-12 (MEAC)
Arizona State 0-13 (Pac-10)

ahaha I was a Herb supporter but this shit is hilarious

2/15/2007 12:27:15 PM

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"I like Herb still. I don't have a problem that he is not still here and am happy with Sidney.. I guess a lot of people on here don't have brains enough to accept that people can still like Herb Sendek and be glad that our coach is Sidney Lowe. Go figure..."

my sentiments exactly. i dont see what it has to be a black or white issue. YOU EITHER LIKE SIDNEY OR YOU LIKE HERB...THERE IS NO OTHER WAY.

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"A lot of our fans our just vendetta filled pricks with a serious inferiority complex."

nail on the head.

[Edited on February 15, 2007 at 12:30 PM. Reason : d]

2/15/2007 12:27:48 PM

my brain tells me i didnt like herb when he was here

so i dont really give a fuck about him now

2/15/2007 12:27:50 PM

You give a fuck about him enough to make time to make posts saying 'fuck him.' You clearly aren't indifferent towards him..

[Edited on February 15, 2007 at 12:29 PM. Reason : x]

2/15/2007 12:29:11 PM

i have lots of time to do things that dont make sense

[Edited on February 15, 2007 at 12:30 PM. Reason : see]

2/15/2007 12:30:22 PM

we had herb for a long time and he improved our program...so more of us have feelings about him than les robinson or somebody who hasnt been here in awhile i would guess

but if you cant find some humor that he is 0-13...after leaving on his own, not getting fired...well then you are still living in the past and hating on fans from shit they said about herb years ago

SIDNEY IS OUR COACH BTW

2/15/2007 12:32:16 PM

I like Herb, I think he is a good guy. I'm bothered more by ncstatetke making all those threads and trying to be "that guy" to rub shit in our faces.

2/15/2007 12:33:25 PM

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"well then you are still living in the past and hating on fans from shit they said about herb years ago SIDNEY IS OUR COACH BTW"

I'm not hating on any fans for things they said years ago. They are entitled to think we can do better and I actually mostly agree with them. I just don't see the point in making fun of the guy for having a worse season at a new program then they had last year. In case you forgot we are 13-11 after 5 straight NCAA appearances. Of course I didn't expect Sid to do much more but that isn't the point. Stones. Glass houses. Etc...

As for the last capitalized line. I assume you can read so I'm not sure why you are telling me that..

^ Well, Tim is pretty much trying to be a prick though he does really like Herb..

[Edited on February 15, 2007 at 12:37 PM. Reason : x]

2/15/2007 12:36:59 PM

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"we wouldn't have made the tourny this year with or without herb with herb we wouldn't beat UNC-CH either"

amen... we would have a worse record with Herb this year too

2/15/2007 12:47:19 PM

i love all these psychics we have here! tell me my future!

[Edited on February 15, 2007 at 12:49 PM. Reason : d]

2/15/2007 12:49:05 PM

herb was a good coach who will never be a great coach. i respect that. sid is a good coach, who, with the right recruits could really make things happen for us. its so hyporcitical to sit here and say "WAIT FOR ALL OF THESE TOP 50 RECRUITS TO COME IN AND SEE HOW GOOD WELL BE", then bash herb for not doing shit with a shit team who he hasnt had a chance to recruit for. give him a couple of years. i will say this, im glad we got someone new in here, we needed a change, lets just hope we made the right one.

2/15/2007 12:49:09 PM

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"I just don't see the point in making fun of the guy for having a worse season at a new program then they had last year"

because it seems to be quantitative validation that it indeed was time for sendek to leave our storied program

and again, i liked herb...i always hoped he could get over the hump

i mean come on if florida state goes 3-9 in football this year with Chuck onboard while NCSU goes 7-5 wouldnt you think that was funny too?

2/15/2007 1:03:23 PM

Folks, I wasn't a Herb fan, but there's not many coaches who could do a lot better with what he's got.

The Pac-10 is solid this year, and he's got absolutely nothing to work with...not to mention a 'gimmicky' offense that takes awhile to learn

2/15/2007 1:08:42 PM

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"because it seems to be quantitative validation that it indeed was time for sendek to leave our storied program"

Not really. I agree it was a good time for him to leave but this doesn't validate anything because the talent level on that team is even less than last year. I mean if you think his record validates his leaving does that mean that our record is a reflection on the new coach? I mean surely he must've been the wrong choice since we are worse than we have been in 5 years.

Now obviously I don't think Sidney was the wrong choice. I'm just trying to stay consistent with your point..

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"i mean come on if florida state goes 3-9 in football this year with Chuck onboard while NCSU goes 7-5 wouldnt you think that was funny too?"

Not really, because I'm not vindictive. I hope both Chuck and Herb go on to be succesful as long as it is not to our detriment. They both did some good things for the University and I don't see why I would want to see them fail.

[Edited on February 15, 2007 at 1:10 PM. Reason : x]

2/15/2007 1:09:02 PM

we just need to stop validating firing herb sendek from ncsu by using his failures at asu as the main reason

2/15/2007 1:12:05 PM

HERB RULES!!!!!





















































THE SHITTER

2/15/2007 1:13:01 PM

I think the message we all need to take home here is that the modified princeton offense rules






































THE SHITTER!!!!

[Edited on February 15, 2007 at 1:14 PM. Reason : dd]

2/15/2007 1:14:03 PM

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"I mean if you think his record validates his leaving does that mean that our record is a reflection on the new coach?"

its not like herb is 3-10 and sid is 3-9 or something

herb hasnt won a single game in conference...let alone gotten a big win like a UNC or a VT

his record SUCKS this year

and NC State is the team that lost 4 starters, NOT Arizona State

2/15/2007 1:14:28 PM

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2/15/2007 1:16:22 PM

Twista, I have no problem with you, but you're being an idiot in this thread and you know it.

You're telling me with a straight face that you think ASUs talent is on par with NCSUs this year? I can't believe you really think that. I just can't.

I'm done with this thread. It has run its course.

[Edited on February 15, 2007 at 1:24 PM. Reason : x]

2/15/2007 1:24:06 PM

this is like finding out your ex has a new boyfriend and you call her up every couple weeks to remind her shes a bitch and/or dumb whore

get the fuck over it, he's gone, let him live

2/15/2007 1:47:01 PM

^^where did i say anything about talent levels?? and how much do any of you even know about arizona state? i know they're 1 of 4 teams in the country with no conference wins

the simple fact is some people just cant let go of herb...they would rather hate on State fans than acknowledge the fact that Herb has LOST 14 STRAIGHT GAMES

you can spin that shit any way you want to but herb has lost 14 straight games...its a school record...its not good...its not decent...its fucking horrible

^more like finding out your ex has fallen off from a decent chick to one of the 4 ugliest whores in the country

oh boo hoo, "our fans suck" "our fans suck"

no...HERB fucking sucks...he is 0-13, not our fans

maybe you guys would prefer herb was 11-2 so you could laugh at "our sucky fans" about how they ran herb out of town...are some of you so mad that herb hasnt won a conference game because somewhere deep down you want him to do better at ASU than Sid at NCSU? do you have more allegiance to a former coach than your permanent college?

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"we just need to stop validating firing herb sendek from ncsu by using his failures at asu as the main reason"

How bout validating him getting fired leaving on his own by our current coach beating our most hated rival and getting our team up for the most important game of the year? you know how Sidney (who is NC STATE's COACH) beat Roy? Roy, that coach the Sendek could never beat, and could seldom only lose to by 20 points?

[Edited on February 15, 2007 at 2:14 PM. Reason : .]

2/15/2007 1:47:12 PM

This thread goes in my Top 10 ST threads of all time

maybe Top 5

2/15/2007 2:17:00 PM

God damn man, Chance is right about you. You're just trolling it up because there really isn't any way you can be this stupid..

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"where did i say anything about talent levels?? and how much do any of you even know about arizona state? "

I live in Pac-10 country where all their games are on TV. I know plenty about them. Do you? It doesn't really seem so. It was implicit in your argument about comparing their record to NCSUs that talent levels need to be taken into account.

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"maybe you guys would prefer herb was 11-2 so you could laugh at "our sucky fans" about how they ran herb out of town...are some of you so mad that herb hasnt won a conference game because somewhere deep down you want him to do better at ASU than Sid at NCSU? do you have more allegiance to a former coach than your permanent college?"

Or you can stick to what I said and not try and put things into my mouth. I wouldn't mind Herb being 11-2 there because I think he is a good guy who deserves success. That has nothing to do with NC State though and I certainly would not try and "rub it in" whatever that is supposed to mean. I don't know how much more clear I can make it than I already have that it is completely 100% possible to still hope the old coach is able to find success while being 100% fully behind the new coach.

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"you know how Sidney (who is NC STATE's COACH) beat Roy? Roy, that coach the Sendek could never beat, and could seldom only lose to by 20 points?"

This thread isn't about Sidney. I've sung his praises many, many times and even said he did a much better job of getting the guys up for their rivalry game than Herb EVER did. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove honestly.

[Edited on February 15, 2007 at 2:22 PM. Reason : x]

2/15/2007 2:21:53 PM

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"with herb we wouldn't beat UNC-CH either"

glad this is all people care about.. the only reason we play the other games is just to practice for UNC

2/15/2007 2:23:12 PM

^^im still waiting for you to tell me where i said anything about ASU having the same or better talent level, since you want to talk about people putting words in peoples mouthes

OH YOU LIVE IN PAC 10 COUNTRY, WOW, I GUESS YOU MUST HAVE INSIDE KNOWLEDGE THAT HIS 0-13 RECORD ISNT REALLY AS BAD AS IT SOUNDS...EVEN THOUGH ITS 0-13

The only stupid people are trying to make some excuse for Herb's SCHOOL RECORD 0-13 conference record

and I was one of the Herb supporters when he was still here...but god damn he fucking sucks this year

you cannot convince anyone that he is better than his 0-13 record...thats some john bunting shit if you do "well we are 1-9 but its not just about wins"

[Edited on February 15, 2007 at 2:26 PM. Reason : .]

2/15/2007 2:24:21 PM

Herb is like that guy at work that takes forever to catch on to a new way of doing things and holds back the performance of the group. He's good once he gets there, but for fucks sake, we havent got all goddamn day to wait for your ass.

2/15/2007 2:26:11 PM

0-13

nuff said

2/15/2007 2:27:16 PM

until sidney

1) wins ACC title
2) takes us further in the tourney than herb did

i withhold basing the dude

but sid beating UNC is a big step, but hell if it ain tlike our football trend of big, meaingless wins

2/15/2007 2:27:44 PM

sid hasnt even finished his first season

to be fair, neither has herb

but sports are about wins...whether you prefer rival wins...post season wins...total wins...whatever...sports are about wins

and herb is 0-13 in the pac 10

2/15/2007 2:34:13 PM

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"im still waiting for you to tell me where i said anything about ASU having the same or better talent level, since you want to talk about people putting words in peoples mouthes OH YOU LIVE IN PAC 10 COUNTRY, WOW, I GUESS YOU MUST HAVE INSIDE KNOWLEDGE THAT HIS 0-13 RECORD ISNT REALLY AS BAD AS IT SOUNDS...EVEN THOUGH ITS 0-13"

Don't you get it? When you try and compare Herb's record at ASU to Sidney's at NCSU it is implicit in your argument. Good christ... Fells, Costner, Atsur, Mccauley, and Grant are ALL better than the 2nd best player on ASU and it's not even really close. The only player that should even be in that league is Pendergraph. Therefore it is useless to try and make comparisons about their records like you want to do.

I'm not even defending Herb. His record is shitty there and there is no way around that. However, his talent level is sickly for a major conference team. It's an utter disgrace.

2/15/2007 2:34:41 PM

dont get too caught up on me comparing herb's and sid's record...that was strictly for the retards that would rather herb do well at ASU than state do well w/o Herb

but 0-13...and i'm not even hatin on herb! im just pointing out how pathetic it is

but if you are saying "fells, grant, etc" are better than any ASU player

are there really only 3 teams in the nation that have worse talent than ASU? is ASU's talent really as bad as their record? or is Herb just not that great of a coach

2/15/2007 2:38:12 PM

of course not, but put a team of similar talent in the pac-10, and you would probably get the same results.

2/15/2007 2:39:45 PM

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"are there really only 3 teams in the nation that have worse talent than ASU?"

Of course not. However the teams with worse talent aren't playing in a major conference

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"is ASU's talent really as bad as their record?"

In conference? Yeah, I think it actually is. The losses to Davidson and Northern Arizona are inexcusable though and reflect badly on Herb. For what it's worth our loss to Cincy was inexcusable in my mind too.

2/15/2007 2:40:34 PM