http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2570359,00.html

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"SOCIAL workers are placing obese children on the child protection register alongside victims thought to be at risk of sexual or physical abuse. In extreme cases children have been placed in foster care because their parents have contributed to the health problems of their offspring by failing to respond to medical advice. The intervention of social services in what was previously regarded as a private matter is likely to raise concerns about the emergence of the “fat police”. Some doctors even advocate taking legal action against parents for illtreating their children by feeding them so much that they develop health problems."

The article makes some good points about why these kids should be taken from their parents.

What do you think about this? Should the government be able to take fat kids from fat enabling parents?

1/29/2007 4:10:54 PM

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"“Obesity in itself is not a child protection concern,” he said. “When parents fail to act in their child’s best interests with regard to their weight — for example, if they are enrolled on a behav-ioural treatment session and only get to two out of 10 sessions or if they miss medical appointments — then the obesity becomes a child protection concern.”"

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"“These are children suffering from sleep apnoea and serious health complications from diabetes. Initially, social workers try to help the parents but, in some cases, the parents are the problem.”"

sounds like a good idea as long as it is a last resort

1/29/2007 4:16:39 PM

yes.

must stop the fat.

1/29/2007 4:32:04 PM

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"sounds like a good idea as long as it is a last resort"

and here's an obligatory:

[no fatties]

1/29/2007 4:35:19 PM

good thought, but too much gov intervention......it would be better to offer some kind of benefit for routine preventitive health care visits for children or something. I hate seeing gov intervention in things like this.

1/29/2007 4:46:23 PM

if the benefit of being able to keep your kid doesnt keep parents following through on preventative health care visits i dont know what you are expecting to work. they arent going to take kids away just because they are fat, they will take them if they are obese and parents are not following the doctors orders.

1/29/2007 4:52:28 PM

^^^^

haha

WHATEVER IT TAKES

1/29/2007 6:41:04 PM

fat tax

1/29/2007 6:43:40 PM

that would be sweet...shift the tax burden to those fat burdens on our society and economy, and get more hot chicks to boot!

1/29/2007 7:13:43 PM

no, because then the government would dole out some subsidy for people who weighed more than, say, 300lbs and make the skinny people pay for it, so the skinny people would be paying for the laziness of the fat people...fatware

[Edited on January 29, 2007 at 8:36 PM. Reason : fat...tax...whatever]

1/29/2007 8:36:00 PM

^? wtf?

1/29/2007 10:25:07 PM

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"Some doctors even advocate taking legal action against parents for illtreating their children by feeding them so much that they develop health problems.""

Maybe they could develop a "Food Offenders' List" Once convicted of feeding your child too much, you would have to register with your local dept of health. They could put a ankle locator on you, and you would have to stay at least 500 feet away from all fast-food joints.

You would have to take your children to the dept of health each week and have them weighed. If they go one ounce over the legal limit, you go back to the slammer. And we know how much the other prisoners hate "Over-Feeders"

1/29/2007 10:47:04 PM

this at the same point in time when many schools are doing away with school P.E.

the man is such a hypocrite.

1/30/2007 9:19:21 AM

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""sounds like a good idea as long as it is a last resort""

Hardly something you want the government doing then.

1/30/2007 9:50:41 AM

1/30/2007 10:49:59 AM

here is a idea just make your kids go outside and play. Dang is it really that hard to do?

1/30/2007 11:10:26 AM

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"Some doctors even advocate taking legal action against parents for illtreating their children by feeding them so much that they develop health problems."

Tell me you can say no to a face like that.

1/30/2007 11:21:30 AM

So you guys have no problems cracking down on fat, lazy parents and their children.

But to suggest McDonald's or Lucky Charms or EatEmAll sugared candies cut down on advertising to kids is just too much government!

1/30/2007 12:44:11 PM

I ate McDonalds and Lucky Charms most of my childhood, and I stayed thin as a rail, my parents just made me exercise.

1/30/2007 1:06:57 PM

yes.

must stop the fat.

1/30/2007 1:12:22 PM

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"this at the same point in time when many schools are doing away with school P.E."

But, but... PE hurts childrens' self esteem! It divides them up by capability and talent![/sarcasm]

1/30/2007 1:13:45 PM

^^^Good for you?

^Fuckface, that's not why we're doing away with PE. We actually just don't wanna spend money on it anymore.

[Edited on January 30, 2007 at 1:16 PM. Reason : sss]

1/30/2007 1:14:40 PM

PE does hurt a child's self-esteem

but so does real life - much much worse than a PE class ever could.

1/30/2007 1:15:27 PM

^^ while that may be true, what Redguard posted is inline with liberal reasoning.

1/30/2007 1:24:58 PM

not really, it's in line with the conservative strawman of liberal thinking

1/30/2007 1:27:36 PM

^^^^ Simmer down. If they really are eliminated PE classes due to funding issues, then that's just sad. I'd pay higher taxes just to get that reinstated.

^ I wish I could agree with you on that except that there are enough documented instances where competitive sports are being eliminated or toned down at schools for that exact reason. Won't say its a majority, probably just a fringe, but it's happened.

1/30/2007 1:32:35 PM

PE classes are being eliminated because conservatives don't want their white daughters sweating with black boys. It may be a "fringe", but there are "documented instances". It's a shame.

1/30/2007 1:39:25 PM

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"Fuckface, that's not why we're doing away with PE. We actually just don't wanna spend money on it anymore."

yeah, that money would be much better spent on a government program to tell parents how to raise their kids.

the gov is so bass ackwards sometimes.

1/30/2007 2:21:36 PM

Ok, I searched and found PE classes being eliminated because of cost constraints, I found others being closed because of mental health reasons, and some others that just eliminated competitive athletics during PE, but I didn't find a single one that was shut down "because conservatives don't want their white daughters sweating with black boys." How certain are you of this last one?

1/30/2007 2:21:51 PM

^the race thing is bs....if they were that concerned they would put the kid in some charter school or something.

1/30/2007 2:26:45 PM

Just pointing out that silly strawmen can go both ways.


Generally PE classes have been cut for 2 main reasons:
1. funding
2. standards/curriculum (No Child Left Behind and similar acts have gotten more demanding in other areas, while ignoring PE)

1/30/2007 2:40:08 PM

i don't care why they were cut. I just find it funny that the fat police thing is coming about during the same time period when physical education is being cut all over the country.

they can't see the forest for the trees.

1/30/2007 2:48:26 PM

^Is PE being cut to the same extent in the UK?

1/30/2007 2:54:33 PM

[Edited on January 30, 2007 at 3:00 PM. Reason : nevermind]

1/30/2007 3:00:27 PM

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"^^^^ Simmer down. If they really are eliminated PE classes due to funding issues, then that's just sad. I'd pay higher taxes just to get that reinstated."

I'm simmered.

I just get tired of people trashing the cult of self-esteem. Yeah, they're lame, but every time I turn around there's someone bitching about a few people, who--OMG!--want children to feel good about themselves even when they suck.

Show me a compelling relationship between the cult of self-esteem and, say, a rise in prison populations and I'll get on board with the bitching. As it is, I'm not gonna waste my breath on a few people who want to tell Johnny he's a talented artist when really Johnny's hand turkeys suck balls.

[Edited on January 30, 2007 at 3:34 PM. Reason : sss]

1/30/2007 3:33:10 PM

^
.. which is why it is so evilly entertaining watchhing the early episodes of American Idol. Some of these kids have been told by family and friends for years how talented they are. They walk into the audition in a fog of undeserved bravado.

And then reality hits them in the form of callous professionals snickering at them as they sing. The look of shock on their faces is priceless.

1/30/2007 4:23:19 PM

Yeah, that's pretty much an accurate metaphor for how all of the current generation of pussified children are going to end up when they meet the world without mommy and daddy to protect them from reality.

1/30/2007 4:38:15 PM

hitler

columbine

followers of jim jones

---

yea, low self-esteem never really hurt anyone.

1/30/2007 4:40:50 PM

^Could you explain?

1/30/2007 4:45:05 PM

basically, low-self esteem folks are sheeple, and thus easily follow charismatic leaders, whether for good or ill

1/30/2007 11:34:51 PM

^I asked him to explain because I've read where Hitler and the Columbine kids have actually been described as having too much self-esteem.

1/30/2007 11:38:41 PM

well, yea, they have something to believe in



course, it's really fucked up stuff they believe in

3/29/2007 10:42:51 AM

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"What do you think about this? Should the government be able to take fat kids from fat enabling parents?"

I was going to make this thread one day last week, when I heard ole Bortz talking about a mom with a child (seemed like he was younger than 10) weighing 250 pounds or something and they (child services?) were threatening to take him away.

He was saying stuffing your kids face so full that he is obese before 10 is no different than beating him, and I have to agree.

3/29/2007 10:54:14 AM

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"He was saying stuffing your kids face so full that he is obese before 10 is no different than beating him, and I have to agree. "

except they're quite different

3/29/2007 11:01:46 AM

This fascist crap makes me want to puke.

3/29/2007 2:38:10 PM

So you are fine with having to pay increased costs on the back end when these fatties grow up and have endless health problems?

I suppose we cut off that support too.

Well there goes work output and growth in the country.

Well, I suppose we can just farm it out to other countries since there workers aren't fat and are more willing to do hard work.

Well then you're fucked again.


Face it. A nation has a HIGHLY vested interest in having healthy citizens. And lets face it, our genetics would much rather us eat eat eat than to go out and do physical work.

3/29/2007 2:47:16 PM

^ Only menus approved by the state will be allowed--or else.

3/29/2007 2:58:50 PM

Menus? You can eat anything you want if you exercise.

3/29/2007 4:10:31 PM

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"Tell me you can say no to a face like that."

lmao

btw, that is fucking PATHETIC

3/29/2007 5:09:39 PM

i'm all for an Obesity Gestapo...

but that's not the best part. i love it, the so called "less government" folks come out in full support of more government when its a cause they agree with.

3/29/2007 5:13:53 PM