I requested info from their website, but I just wanted to know if anyone had any experience with transferring from NCSU to Wake Tech for an associates...

I have ~70 credits at NCSU, do only core classes transfer? Or could I say transfer 50 credits & take a few classes at wake tech and have an associates...


Yes, I'm the biggest slacker in the world.

1/25/2007 4:24:59 PM

No idea on this specific case. I can say, however, that most colleges will only allow you to transfer, at most, half of the credits necessary for a degree from their institution.

1/25/2007 4:36:06 PM

wow

1/25/2007 5:42:35 PM

not my life or anything

but

big mistake

1/25/2007 5:44:27 PM

Not everybody is meant to go to a four year university and be successful at it.
Not everybody is meant to be successful at a four year university the first go around.

One form of blatant propaganda they tend to push on high school students is that "college is the only way to a good and financially successful life", when that isn't true. It probably increases the likelihood of it (don't have a link to a study off top of head), but isn't the ONLY option out there.

Ok, enough ranting, to answer your question, you'll work with somebody at Wake Tech when you transfer who will take care of the specifics of what will and won't transfer. The various higher education institutes don't update the transfer lists every day, and it can sometimes take a few years for them to synchronize. The person you work with should be able to sort that out and sign any exception to count coursework that needs to be counted.

THAT being said, make SURE this is the right decision for you before you pursue it. Talk to a ton of people, advisors, friends, family, etc. There are a TON of options for degrees out there if you are interested / willing to work towards one.

1/25/2007 7:31:15 PM

I'm just sayin', ANYTHING from NC State is more respectable over the course of your life than Wake Tech. If he's already in here, might as well stick it out.

1/25/2007 8:49:59 PM

this idea that everyone should go to college is a erroneous concept. not everyone should go to college, by enocouraging everyone to go to college you water down the value of a bachelors degree, especially a BA. we need to encourage more people to go into vocational training and invest more money into our community colleges. we also need to give more respect to skilled tradesman.

1/25/2007 9:02:24 PM

well here's the thing.. I already have an internship with a great software company... One of NC's Fast 50 or whatever. If I could get some sort of associates degreee in business from Wake Tech in half the time of my NCSU degree (Which would be in some irrelevant/bullshit degree like applied arts - film studies) and get a full time position with them, I think that is my best option. Not to mention saving the $$ on tuition...god knows I already owe NCSU $texas for fucking around so long.

So I should expect to only be able to transfer ~50% of the required credits... thanks nonlogic

And if you think this is a dumb idea... yeah, it pretty much is... but that doesn't mean it's not right for me... I'm a dumb guy

1/25/2007 9:29:31 PM

if you can prove yourself to them - do they really care about a degree at all?

1/25/2007 9:37:35 PM

^
I remember various training sessions at my last job where you could tell who had a formal educational background in CSC and those who learned it by experience. Not saying one is better than another, but there was that distinction. Suppose it does depend on the employer need.

^^^^,^^^
I've know several individuals who have done just that and come out making $40k-$50k w/benefits as skilled craftsmen/tradesmen. Is that the norm? I honestly don't know ... but I will say it is possible.

^^
That is EXTREMELY poor thinking. With the ways markets and businesses work now, you could be at a company one day and gone the next. Without a degree, the value of your experience means about 1/4 of what it could WITH a degree. Trust me, most of us did not care for our CSC degrees as we were going through them but knew the end value was a LOT higher than the 4 years or so we would put into it. In the long run, your GPA won't matter much ... so if you can hack a 2.0 and get a degree, its that much better for you. Oh, and cost of get a degree should never be high on the list of things you should be worrying about ... options are out there if you are desperate enough (and you will find those options once you are). Anyways, DEFINITELY see several academic advisors before you do anything else.

[Edited on January 25, 2007 at 9:40 PM. Reason : .]

1/25/2007 9:38:30 PM

So my film studies degree would hold more value over an associates degree in business when i'm working on the sales side of the company?

[Edited on January 25, 2007 at 10:10 PM. Reason : i hate college :-/]

1/25/2007 10:10:34 PM

^
A BS in Business with a marketing concentration would hold more value than an associates in business. (I don't know enough about film studies to make an assertion one way or another). It looks like there is a lot of crossover between the two degrees ... you could probably take 30 or 40 of those 70 credit hours and apply them towards business. You take the initial "freshman" courses as a part of your current major, bust your ass studying, and then can transfer into business with an improve GPA / good showmanship of how well you would do with a Major GPA.

It all depends on your desire to make it happen. If you have your mind set on doing the Wake Tech thing, and it seems like you do, nobody is going to stop you. The least you can do on your behalf (not sure if you have or haven't done this yet) is to talk to some folks before you begin the process and start signing forms/papers. I have nothing against Wake Tech ... just don't make the wrong decision now and be kicking yourself in the ass 20+ years down the road, having it affect you and your family.

1/26/2007 7:29:15 AM

this is a list of classes (hopefully) that transfers from Wake Tech to NCSU, so I assume you could use it for the other purpose if you're interested:

https://www.acs.ncsu.edu/scripts/ugadmiss/trnsfcrs.pl/2?instit=5928

1/26/2007 8:08:56 AM

have you checked the WT website for a chart like ^ ?

1/26/2007 8:39:54 AM

I have... It's just that the classes have diff. names and nubmers and I am not quite sure what matches up exactly... It's obvious that a few do (ENG 111,etc) but others aren't as clear cut.

1/26/2007 10:26:36 AM

obviosuly this would take a little more work, but make an appointment with someone at the admissions office at WT and bring a degree audit with you. i'm sure theyd be able to look over it, see how much transfers and for what, and tell you how many more hours you would need for a degree there.

1/26/2007 10:28:31 AM

It's about 64-65 credit hours for an associates at a community college.

Quote :

"No idea on this specific case. I can say, however, that most colleges will only allow you to transfer, at most, half of the credits necessary for a degree from their institution."

I believe he's right which means you'll have to take an additional 32-33 hours at Wake Tech to get an associates. If you just take those credits here then you're just a semester and a half away from your B.S. Just a thought.

1/26/2007 11:23:10 AM

From an employer's standpoint, I would look askance at someone who transferred from a bachelor's program at State to an associate's program at Wake Tech. You'd have to have a damn good explanation if you even got to the interview stage. Perlith is right - this isn't about this first company you're interning with because they know what you can do. It's the next one and the one after that. That's why I'm finishing my bachelor's at 34.

Will the company you're interning with let you work flexible hours while you finish your degree? Cut your courseload down and take a little more time with it. Good luck.

1/26/2007 3:16:22 PM

WHAT THE FUCK?

are you serious?




what kind of "Associates Program" are you going to transfer to?

if you're going to get an Associates of Arts or Associates of Science.... Dont bother. such a "degree" isnt worth the paper to wipe your ass on.



if you're going to try and transfer into an Associates of Applied Science (like a specialized trade), that might be a bit more valuable, but chances are *FEW* to *NONE* of your NCSU credits will transfer to an applied science curriculum at a tech school, or vice versa. applied science technical programs are incompatible with 4-year university degree programs.



You need to get some serious academic counseling from NC STATE before you do anything as stupid and life wasting as this.



If you're really having an existential crisis, just take a leave of absence for a while. go work construction or something. then come back when you're ready. or even transfer to a different 4-year university if you want a fresh start. Hell, go to Appalachian State or UNC Charlotte, if you need a change of scenery.


But dont go to a Community College.



For craps sake.

1/27/2007 1:14:47 AM

PART II:


Im not fucking joking, dude.



An A.A. or an A.S. "degree" is COMPLETELY WORTHLESS



the only thing they are good for is as an intermediate stepping stone to get yourself into a *real* university.... like NCSU. you're already here.



now quit wallowing in your own shit and be a man. do your fucking work, and get on with it. go to freaking Alcoholics Anonymous if you got a drinking problem or something. Go to the NCSU Counseling Center and get some freaking Prozac if you're depressed.



I mean damn.

1/27/2007 1:19:34 AM

they sell associates degrees on infomercials

1/27/2007 2:25:25 PM

ahha Guys... you have NO IDEA as to my situation... Getting a degree from NCSU is no longer an option at all. Period... do i wish i had done things differently and graduated? Yes... but right now I need to cut my losses for a number of reasons you do not need to know.

And i would say that an associates degree dealing w/ business from any college would be more "real world" helpful than a bachelors in film studies from NCSU, which is what i ended up being stuck in.

Whether it carries the same merit? Probably not... anyway, thanks for your opinion on my life.

[Edited on January 27, 2007 at 3:42 PM. Reason : h]

1/27/2007 3:42:02 PM

well, youre right i dont know your situation.

but yes, a 4-year degree in anything is better than a generic Associates Degree.

however...

are you talking about getting an Associates of *Applied* Science in a *specific* trade or industry skill?

well, thats a bit different. Thats somewhat valuable, cause you can come out and make a (barely) liveable wage doing the type of work you study for.

But you'll find that youre gonna hit a salary ceiling before too long, and people with 4-year degrees are going to leave you behind. and your Associates of Applied Science won't ever transfer back into a 4-year program.

so... if you fucked up your NC State career, thats too bad.

But what it really sounds like is that you've given up. and youre gonna trade off your future for the easy route now.





[Edited on January 27, 2007 at 5:08 PM. Reason : ]

1/27/2007 5:04:18 PM

If you can't not fail out of film studies at NCSU then what makes you think that you are going to have any amount of success at Wake Tech?

You seriously need to reassess your situation before you continue.

1/27/2007 5:23:50 PM

owch.




... but, yeah.

1/27/2007 6:42:28 PM

You know, I have been following this thread for some time now and my best advice as someone who works with advising at NCSU as a Peer Adviser is to take some time off and just get a decent job as someone who has had some college. You would be surprised on how much help the Career Center in Pullen Hall can be for someone in your situation. YOU HAVE OPTIONS!! You can even go to the Career Center's online site through the NCSU webpage and get great info on employers and job-related materials. I would give you three great options:

***Take time off and take no classes
***Work full-time and take a class or two at night each semester until you are ready to come back full-time to school
***Go to Wake Tech long enough to finish TRANSFERABLE General Education Requirements (GERs) then return to NCSU and finish up major requirements

These gentlemen are correct in saying that getting a business degree at a CC is a bad idea for reasons of a glass ceiling effect. If continuing full-time is not an option at NCSU, then figure out other ways to work full-time and get back gradually. Wake Tech is not going to solve your problems, but old-fashioned strong will and determination will solve problems. A CC is for two kinds of people:

**Laid-off adults from blue collar employment
**Young students working to transfer to a 4-year intstitution

They are also correct in saying that you are going to have to take many more classes than you actually need for the Associate's degree because you have to have a certain # of credit hours in order to be eligible to graduate from a school. They may take about 30 hours give or take because CCs only offer core GERs and specialized trade courses. Don't give up on your education at NCSU. If you speak with your academic adviser, you can discuss taking things slower to make better grades, taking time off completely, or a vast amount of other options that are probably open to you. If your academic adviser is a cad then you can always consult Mindy Sopher mindy_sopher@ncsu.edu or Keri Bowman keri_bowman@ncsu.edu through Advising Central and they can give great pointers on how to get out of a sticky situation no matter how messy. They also are very knowledgeable about the great array of resources available to you free as a student.

You can feel free to contact me by PM or email coshadix@ncsu.edu for further and more personalized advice for your situation if you are willing to share more about your scenario.

No matter what, Wake Tech is not you best option. Yes, it is an option, but a very poor one and you should make it a VERY LAST RESORT!!

Don't give up on yourself and NCSU won't give up on you!! Good Luck!!

1/27/2007 8:40:10 PM

Quote :

"ahha Guys... you have NO IDEA as to my situation"

You are absolutely correct. We don't know, and we don't need to know. Some of us would like to know so we can give you options to help you out. If you aren't comfortable doing that on a public message board, at least do it in private. ^ had some excellent suggestions for how to go about doing that.

Quote :

"... Getting a degree from NCSU is no longer an option at all. Period.."

No matter how bad you may have (or think you may have) screwed up, there are always alternatives you probably aren't aware of.

1/28/2007 2:25:43 PM

you are suppose to do the opposite

1/28/2007 7:05:57 PM

Quote :

"Getting a degree from NCSU is no longer an option at all."

This is the part that gets me. If getting a degree from NCSU isn't an option anymore, your GPA must be pretty bad. If so, out of those 70 hours you have, how many are actually above C's. If they're not C's or better, they won't transfer. So you really need to reassess your plan.

I screwed up bigtime when I was in school as a dumb young kid. I left school in 1997 with a 1.5833 GPA. I started back 2 years ago and I'm graduating this semester. I'll probably have around a 2.2 or 2.3. So it can be done, it sounds like you just need to take some time off. I know it helped me, so it may work for you.

1/28/2007 9:52:13 PM

Email me if you want help. There are options here. But there are good options at WTCC too. Good advisers out there as well.

1/29/2007 9:40:13 AM

isnt wake tech becoming a 4 year college soon? someone I work with goes there and he told me that but I dont know for sure.

1/30/2007 10:42:22 AM

from everyone that i've talked to who goes to wake tech, including my own brother, it appears to be a blackhole. people go there with good intensions but get lost somehow moreso than at other community colleges.

my advice would be to pick a different community college if that's really what you want to do.

1/30/2007 11:58:29 AM

^ I think that a lot of community colleges may be like that. I attended night school at a community college in Charleston for a couple of years before transfering to NCSU. Every semester was the same...first day of classes, everything was packed--overflowing parking lots, standing room only classrooms, etc. The number of people attending decreased every week after that. Some of my classes ended up a third or even a quarter of their original size.

In some ways I think that community college was more difficult than NCSU. It certainly took much more discipline.

[Edited on January 30, 2007 at 4:54 PM. Reason : ]

1/30/2007 4:53:23 PM

^ community college is way easier.

but the student population is generally either (1) slackers or (2) adults tied down with other responsibilities

neither group typically make very good long-term students.

1/30/2007 6:52:48 PM

The subject matter was certainly easier, but it takes a great deal more discipline to go school after working a full day than it does to have school as your sole job. This is something that can be said about pretty much anyone who finds themselves in the situation of full-time non-trivial job plus school plus other personal/familial commitments.

1/30/2007 7:29:09 PM

I was/am in the same boat.

After 4+ years at State and some bad decisions, I just had to leave. Didn't have that bad a GPA. It was still low enough to keep me from transferring to the department I wanted to go to. Had over 100 credit hours, and sticking with it wasn't an option. I'd rather get a degree doing something I like then to suck it up and work to get one I'd hate (not to mention even my best work would barely get me by...stuff was hard).

Went to Wake Tech, figured it would be my only option. They actually told me to stay away from Wake Tech (considering all the hours I had) and pointed me to ECU instead. That said, I'm en route to transfer and start classes there this summer.

So if you just want an Associates, go to a Tech School. But if you can manage, I'd recommend ECU, App St, UNC-W or any other 4 yr school that isn't as brutal when it comes to GPA requirements.

1/31/2007 3:11:50 PM

Are you takin their online curriculum? Or moving there...

1/31/2007 3:34:09 PM

jaZon went from NCSU to EZU, he is still there, 8 years later

1/31/2007 5:50:53 PM

Quote :

"SuperDude: I just had to leave. Didn't have that bad a GPA. It was still low enough to keep me from transferring ... sticking with it wasn't an option. ... even my best work would barely get me by ..."

you should petition TWW for a name change. I'm thinkin MediocreDude




j/k, seriously my wife started out in Forestry at NC State, absolutely hated it, changed majors a couple more times, fucked her GPA pretty bad. not enough to get kicked out, but bad enough it wasnt any point to stay. and get a degree with a gpa in the low 2's.

so she transferred to Appalachian, got a BS in biology, then later a BSN in nursing at UNC, now shes going into grad school.

so, yeah, you can recover.

but going from a 4-yr university program to a community college is about the biggest waste of life i can think of.

like you said, transfer to a less rigorous program at a lower-tier university like UNC-C or UNC-W. Appalachian is a good school, so he might not get in there.




[Edited on January 31, 2007 at 11:30 PM. Reason : ]

1/31/2007 11:22:29 PM

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[Edited on February 1, 2007 at 4:12 AM. Reason : .]

2/1/2007 4:11:50 AM

I have the option of doing the online thing or going there. Still making up my mind on it. I'll probably do a semester online so I can work and save some $$, then move over there for a year and finish up.

2/1/2007 11:32:21 AM

hmmmm. Mildew, I think you need to spend more time on hitting the books and less time worrying about things like this:

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Quote :

"Not to mention saving the $$ on tuition...god knows I already owe NCSU $texas for fucking around so long. "

=/=

Quote :

"I have ~$2000 to spend on a HDTV withing the next month."

Learn to prioritize.

Finish school.

Profit.

2/1/2007 12:46:59 PM

haha good find

2/1/2007 12:56:30 PM

It isn't my money.

2/1/2007 1:31:08 PM

damn... according to this thread, im a waste of life

2/1/2007 3:16:59 PM

^

what? you left NC State and regressed back to Wake Tech? Why? Whats your plan?

and i didnt mean that *you* are a waste of life, i mean that doing such a thing *is* a waste of *your* life. at least your life spent as a student.

but, ill say if you've got a good reason and a well thought out plan, then maybe its not a waste of your life.... but it better be a good plan



[Edited on February 2, 2007 at 4:46 PM. Reason : ]

2/2/2007 4:44:17 PM