Quote :

"Fourteen of the city’s business and civic leaders resigned from the Carter Center’s advisory board on Thursday to protest former President Jimmy Carter’s recent criticisms of Israel and American Jewish political power."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/12/us/12carter.html?bl&ex=1168923600&en=360d31ba2e6053d8&ei=5087%0A


In addition, there are charges of plagiarism being aimed at Carter concerning Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid:

Quote :

"Harsh allegations over President Carter's new book on Israel and the Palestinians came into sharper focus Thursday when a former top aide to Carter said the book appeared to contain maps that were 'unusually similar' to those in an earlier book."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-carter8dec08,0,7400200.story?coll=la-headlines-nation

[Edited on January 16, 2007 at 3:56 AM. Reason : The thread title is from the New York Times article. ]

[Edited on January 16, 2007 at 3:59 AM. Reason : '']

1/16/2007 3:53:41 AM

maps. Oh no, not maps.

1/16/2007 5:55:59 AM

^And we sidestep the issue...

Plagiarism is plagiarism.

1/16/2007 9:15:58 AM

what's the issue?

an ex-president wrote a book and some advisers quite because they didnt like the word "apartheid" being used.

k. thanks for the update

1/16/2007 9:34:08 AM

Quote :

"an ex-president wrote plagiarized part of a book and some advisers fourteen of the city’s business and civic leaders quite [sic] quit because they didnt like the word 'apartheid' being used the following: 'In your book, which portrays the conflict between Israel and her neighbors as a purely one-sided affair with Israel holding all of the responsibility for resolving the conflict, you have clearly abandoned your historic role of broker in favor of becoming an advocate for one.'"

[Edited on January 16, 2007 at 1:13 PM. Reason : ]

1/16/2007 1:12:36 PM

He failed to cite some maps?



At least he appears to be able to write a book without a ghost writer.

1/16/2007 3:07:38 PM

^ And somewhere along the way revealed that he is something akin to an anti-Semite.

1/16/2007 3:55:17 PM

OMG U HATE A COUNTRY THAT KILLS A SHITLOAD OF CIVILIANS U R AN ANTI SEMITE

1/16/2007 3:56:59 PM

Keep tellin' yourself that.



[Edited on January 16, 2007 at 4:02 PM. Reason : PS: The image is from CNN/Reuters--it has not been doctored. ]

1/16/2007 4:00:31 PM

You do realize that Reuters has been under fire recently for posting editted/staged pictures, correct? That aside, I'll believe you .

1/16/2007 4:15:42 PM

can you provide some sort of proof of the anti-semetic comments? are they anti-jew or anti-israel (i'm sure you know the difference).

you do realize that not all palestinians, in the middle east and abroad, are in the same vein as that pic you've posted to apparently represent opposition to israel, right?

[Edited on January 16, 2007 at 4:22 PM. Reason : .]

1/16/2007 4:17:50 PM

has anyone in this thread actually read a word of the book past the cover? because it all seems a little silly to argue about something you haven't even read.

[Edited on January 16, 2007 at 4:20 PM. Reason : .]

1/16/2007 4:19:54 PM

Are these people "anti-semites"?

1/16/2007 4:22:51 PM

Quote :

"And somewhere along the way revealed that he is something akin to an anti-Semite. "

since when did Jews get full rights over the term Semite? Palestinians and arabs and persians are semites.

1/16/2007 4:44:58 PM

Quote :

"^ And somewhere along the way revealed that he is something akin to an anti-Semite."

Jesus, would you stop sucking Sharon's dick???

WTF is wrong with the world???

You can criticize Muslims.

You can criticize Christians.

You can criticize blacks.

You can criticize whites.

You can criticize Africans.

You can criticize Hindus.

You can criticize Arabs.

You can criticize Mexicans.

But you criticize ISRAELIS, and it is "oh no, you didn't".

Along with your life, career, and reputation being destroyed.

Why are the FUCKING ISRAELIS "untouchables"???

Are they like angels or supreme beings or something???

Fuck you and all your ZioNazi scum.

1/16/2007 5:58:15 PM

Carter just said what everyone was thinking

1/16/2007 7:03:23 PM

^^its cause they were the only ones to die during World War II. No one else but the jews died during that war.

/true story

1/17/2007 1:26:52 AM

To: booger: Perhaps you should have read my post more closely. In addition, all the evidence one needs is in Carter's recent writing and remarks.

Quote :

"[Carter] revealed that he is something akin [emphasis added] to an anti-Semite."

To sarijoul: Have you read every holy book or writing in its entirety that you comment on? The Bible? The Qur'an? The Torah? The Bhagavad Gita and others?

To 0EPII1: Leave it to you to inject the disgusting image of fellatio on a coma victim into the debate. Perhaps you have experience with this, yes? I never said the Israelis were "untouchables." Specifically, I simply would like to see a more balanced debate about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and responsibilities on either side--and the debate in the MSM and many mass consumption books is rarely balanced. Generally, I am just tired of seeing Jews persecuted and unfairly criticized as they have been for centuries--now by a former US president who was one of the weakest leaders the world has ever witnessed. Leave the Jews alone--isn't it enough already?

1/17/2007 3:47:45 AM

Quote :

"a more balanced debate about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict "

sounds good to me. You pick one of the two for a 'balanced debate'

1) we strip Israel of all its military power. give them some rocks and some c4, throw in a few AK's too.

OR

2) we arm palestine to the teeth with Tanks, Jets, Bombs, APC's, Artillery, Body Armor, and pretty much anything else Israel's army has.

then we can have a balanced everything.

1/17/2007 10:38:26 AM

^^so you haven't read a word of the book right?

i've at least read some of each of the books (or at least translations of the books) that you've mentioned. i wouldn't claim to make any horribly informed statements about many except perhaps the bible (and i'm certainly not a scholar on that by any stretch of the imagination). not to mention, there have been hundreds (and in some cases thousands) of years of scholarship on these books from which to gain insight. you guys are basing your opinions on this book on a few news articles about people reacting to the book (which they may or may not have read) and your previous opinions about jimmy carter and his scholarship.

1/17/2007 10:46:37 AM

^ One doesn't have to be a cow to recognize milk.

1/17/2007 10:57:39 AM

one doesn't have to be that smart to make a good metaphor.

1/17/2007 10:58:29 AM

^ It's actually a false analogy. And, as predicted, you didn't catch it.

[Edited on January 17, 2007 at 12:41 PM. Reason : But your implied ad hom is noted.]

1/17/2007 12:40:45 PM

(i was saying it was bad)

1/17/2007 12:41:54 PM

^ Did you read the article? These are not the type of people who just resign from such prestigious positions on a whim.

Quote :

"Among the letter signers were Michael Coles, the chief executive of the Caribou Coffee Company; William B. Schwartz Jr., the ambassador to the Bahamas during Mr. Carter’s presidency; Liane Levetan, a former chief executive of DeKalb County, Ga.; and S. Stephen Selig III, who served as national finance chairman for the Carter-Mondale Presidential Committee."

[Edited on January 17, 2007 at 12:51 PM. Reason : ]

1/17/2007 12:51:08 PM

omg carter supports the two state solution, undermining the wishes of ferverent zionists. you know who else wants to undermine zionists? anti-semites! so now cater is akin to anti-semites!

i can play this game. its fun!

democrats suported john kerry in the last election. you know who else supported him? moveon.org. you know who supported moveon.org?
http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/515/
communists! john kerry is akin to communists!

these same communists claim to support democracy. you know who supports democracy? the us government! the us government is akin to communists!



instead of pussing around, please just tell us why what carter believes about the israel/palestine situation is so bad.

1/17/2007 12:53:23 PM

The Economist had a negative review of this book

but it presented it without the stupid bias

1/17/2007 1:12:15 PM

^^ I'm not "pussing around," fucker. Check the title of this thread--that's the story.

Quote :

"Among the letter signers were Michael Coles, the chief executive of the Caribou Coffee Company; William B. Schwartz Jr., the ambassador to the Bahamas during Mr. Carter’s presidency; Liane Levetan, a former chief executive of DeKalb County, Ga.; and S. Stephen Selig III, who served as national finance chairman for the Carter-Mondale Presidential Committee."

Are these people--fourteen business and civic leaders--right-wing kooks who just want to make Carter look bad? Of course not! If you want to know what's in the book, do your own research. For the purposes of this thread, the main story is the resignations; the secondary story is the alleged plagiarism. Discuss.

[Edited on January 17, 2007 at 2:16 PM. Reason : .]

1/17/2007 2:13:43 PM

^So a bunch of people disagree with Carter's criticisms of Israel and American Jewish political power and they resigned to show they disagree?

That's the story? That's what you want to talk about?

What is there to say?

1/17/2007 3:20:03 PM

THAT LIBERALS ARE IDIOTS, DUH

1/17/2007 3:58:03 PM

^^ These people were ardent supporters. Why did they suddenly stop supporting Carter--fourteen of them? Isn't that worth examining? Do I have to spell it out for you?

^ Yes, now you have it.

1/17/2007 5:07:38 PM

^Why? Well, according to your blurb...

Quote :

"Fourteen of the city’s business and civic leaders resigned from the Carter Center’s advisory board on Thursday to protest former President Jimmy Carter’s recent criticisms of Israel and American Jewish political power."

1/17/2007 5:14:07 PM

THANKS FOR THE UPDATE

next thread!

1/17/2007 5:16:26 PM

Some of you wouldn't give a shit about it if I had Polaroids of wrongdoing.

1/17/2007 5:24:23 PM

I don't like Judaism, and I don't like American support for Israel or any other Jewish shit.

So, no, I don't give a shit about this.

1/17/2007 5:31:06 PM

^ Wow.

1/17/2007 7:29:14 PM

i dont like zionism (no salisbury)

1/17/2007 7:30:08 PM

Polaroids of wait wrongdoing, exactly?

Carter not liking Zionism is wrongdoing?

1/17/2007 8:29:27 PM

[Edited on January 18, 2007 at 10:55 AM. Reason : ,]

1/18/2007 10:55:06 AM

Quote :

"Among the letter signers were Michael Coles, the chief executive of the Caribou Coffee Company; William B. Schwartz Jr., the ambassador to the Bahamas during Mr. Carter’s presidency; Liane Levetan, a former chief executive of DeKalb County, Ga.; and S. Stephen Selig III, who served as national finance chairman for the Carter-Mondale Presidential Committee."

Quote :

"Are these people--fourteen business and civic leaders--right-wing kooks who just want to make Carter look bad? Of course not!"

Of course not!

It is just that these people are fervent Zionists, that's all. Jesus, look at their last names.

So, again:

Jesus, would you stop sucking Sharon's dick???

WTF is wrong with the world???

You can criticize Muslims.

You can criticize Christians.

You can criticize blacks.

You can criticize whites.

You can criticize Africans.

You can criticize Hindus.

You can criticize Arabs.

You can criticize Mexicans.

But you criticize ISRAELIS, and it is "oh no, you didn't".

Along with your life, career, and reputation being destroyed.

Why are the FUCKING ISRAELIS "untouchables"???

Are they like angels or supreme beings or something???

Fuck you and all your ZioNazi scum.



P.S.

Quote :

"Specifically, I simply would like to see a more balanced debate about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and responsibilities on either side--and the debate in the MSM and many mass consumption books is rarely balanced. Generally, I am just tired of seeing Jews persecuted and unfairly criticized as they have been for centuries--now by a former US president who was one of the weakest leaders the world has ever witnessed. Leave the Jews alone--isn't it enough already?"

WOW, JUST FUCKING WOW

1/20/2007 5:29:47 PM

I heavily dislike Judaism, mostly because it's an awful fucking religion just like Christianity and Islam.

Oh no am I an anti-Semite?

1/20/2007 8:05:17 PM

No, you're something special.

1/21/2007 1:45:56 AM

^^^ and ^^ I hope that both of you get what's coming to you--soon.

1/21/2007 12:55:52 PM

For what, having opinions?

1/21/2007 3:31:02 PM

wait? whats coming to them?

1/21/2007 3:35:55 PM

Did we ever answer why Carter's stance on the Israel/Palestine situation was so terrible?

1/21/2007 5:54:50 PM

^Because ad hominem is an acceptable argument for dumb people

1/21/2007 11:51:50 PM

Headline: Jimmy Carter apologizes for "stupid" book passage. So, if he didn't do anything wrong, why did he apologize? QED.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20070125-112710-7481r.htm

2/1/2007 3:13:39 PM

To all you defenders of Jimmy Carter, he was recently asked the following:

A forum moderator: "With the new Democratic Congress, do you believe the US will be better able to achieve peace in the Middle East?"

Carter (flatly replied): "No."

This Week with George Stephanopoulos, February 25, 2007

[Edited on February 26, 2007 at 2:00 AM. Reason : .]

2/26/2007 1:59:49 AM

set em up

2/26/2007 2:56:00 AM