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11/6/2006 7:23:59 PM

those allen keys can suck it

how about some damn wrenches

11/6/2006 7:27:24 PM

I need some hex keys larger than 10mm up to like 22mm+

11/6/2006 8:02:47 PM

sears and craftsman can suck it, i brake craftsman sockets at least once a week, and when harbor freight opened up in town i bought the same set of deep sockets for five bucks, i have been using them for about 8 months now and havent broken a single one, once again, even though craftsman replaces their shit, they can suck my *$&%

11/6/2006 9:11:16 PM

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get this professional 6-piece wrench set for only $866.99 HOLY SHIT

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11/6/2006 9:12:39 PM

craftsman lives on old fame. half of their shit is not lifetime warranty. stuff that is will probably never fail anyway.

11/6/2006 9:38:48 PM

i've broken like 7 craftsman things in my whole life and i must say that 5 of those times was w/ me doing something i knew i shouldnt have like "I HOPE THAT 1/4" DRIVE ADAPTER W/ 6 FEET OF BAR ON IT HOLDS! CRAP."

Seriously, if youre not a moron, they wont break. and if they do, a 20min trip to Sears and you have a replacement.

i'm 1000% happy w/ Craftsman.

11/6/2006 9:54:57 PM

you obviously don't use them very often, theres a reason most prosfessionals don't use them, not only are they not guaranteed for pro use, but they break like the fucking plague, thats how i damn near lost the middle finger on my left hand. i stick with all matco/snap-on now, except for the shit set i keep in my truck. hell i have a 5-gallon bucket of broke ass craftsman tools you can take back to sears and get some new shitty tools for them.

11/6/2006 10:05:54 PM

^i want that bucket. ill take it off ur hands

11/6/2006 10:08:06 PM

hell ill take the bucket.

my tools get used literally every weekend and thats more than the average joe in here's will get used. if they work for me, i think its safe to say theyll work for MOST people.

shit, last weekend i had a 3/8s drive socket on a short extension, on a long extension, on a 3/8ths->1/2" adapter to a 1/2" drive short extension to a 1/2" 3' breaker bar w/ a 6 foot long jack handle on it to break a freaking seized tranny fill plug on my gf's car. even after soaking in PB Blaster overnight it wouldnt break and it was down way too deep in FWD engine bay land to think about a torch.

I was like fire up my car, gf, we'll be going to Sears soon, as i pried on the jack handle. plug popped free! woot. and to my amazement nothing broke.

AND Sears even replaced a torque wrench for me AFTER its warranty period (its 'precision' no lifetime) no questions asked.

i'm totally satisfied.

[Edited on November 6, 2006 at 10:45 PM. Reason : dfdf]

11/6/2006 10:45:11 PM

craftsman is good for the weekend mechanic.

but if you really want quality, then like 69 said, matco/snapon/cornwell is the way to go.

11/6/2006 10:50:14 PM

CORN, facom aint bad for the big shit, and s&k is decent, but yeah, for cheap tools like craftsman, the northern brand is cheaper and hold up better

11/6/2006 11:00:48 PM

im with danny on this one, at least for the most part

11/6/2006 11:16:10 PM

i use my craftsman stuff almost everyday, and have only broken things after abuse

11/6/2006 11:19:22 PM

i use my tools every weekend, but not more than that. i dont really care whats good. i usually go for the dead cheapest tool, unless it really appears to be shitty quality. i got burnt few times, but overall im up.

11/6/2006 11:19:46 PM

i'm happy with the craftsman tools i have as far as quality/price ratio. but these days i dont use my tools but once a week tops. i also prefer to buy mine in small complete sets of one kind of tool. those large mechanics sets usually come with all sorts of shit you will never use, and many of them overlap.

and if this is the only set you are planning on buying, it still got an excess of sockets you will probably never use. same with standard tools, unless you have an old american car or something.

[Edited on November 7, 2006 at 12:03 AM. Reason : never had any warranty issues with them either even though some shit was obviously abused]

11/7/2006 12:01:30 AM

Quote :

"craftsman is good for the weekend mechanic. but if you really want quality, then like 69 said, matco/snapon/cornwell is the way to go."

best balance between quality and price

11/7/2006 12:01:45 AM

two weeks ago i was using a 3/8ths breaker bar (yea i know, where the fuck did that piece even come from) to torque down a axle nut with a 1/2" craftsman adapter (i've broken these before) & 6' of pipe (really really dumb). i thought to myself. gee, how long til the adapter goes'

...sheared off the 3/8's drive on the breaker bar. i was quite confused/delighted.

11/7/2006 12:03:01 AM

didn't bluebear bend a craftsman wretch on purpose using a blow torch then got it replaced with a new one...

11/7/2006 2:40:55 PM

i once used a 1/2 deep well socket to press out (hammer style) some wrist pins and fucked it all up, then took it back and got a new one. the guy actually gave me back the messed up socket too.

i love craftsman. its not all great stuff though, i have both the SAE and metric 6pc professional full polish combination flare wrench sets and never use them because they flex too badly. they just sit in the box collecting dust.

11/7/2006 3:06:01 PM

dealing with their wrenches, i have a set of their metric and standard rachet wrenches that about 50% of the time don't catch, ive replaced them and within 5 minutes of using them they dont catch again, i dont abuse them, i have a special set for that .but a 20min ride to sears while all greasy in the middle of putting an engine in is very inconvienient, i swore by craftsman when doing small stuff on the weekends but when i got to rebuilding cars and working in a machine shop it just became a pain

11/7/2006 3:14:38 PM

i've been pleased with my blackhawk tools so far.

11/7/2006 3:41:47 PM

yeah i have a nice set of blackhawk gear wrenches that i love.

11/7/2006 3:44:48 PM

For NON ratchetting wrenchs, the craftsmen professional stuff works fine. Yeah, it cost more, but we have never killed any of it. Also, the NON reversible ratchet wrenches hold up a little better. Still, we have killed gearwrench and other brands, its just a thing, no ratchet is as strong as a breakerbar, no gearwrench is as strong as a solid wrench.

11/7/2006 7:58:47 PM

i've ground down some craftsman sockets and wrenches so they would fit in small spaces and they still took the things back.

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11/8/2006 9:55:01 PM

im not sayin they dont take things back, most people that work there really dont care, but the problem is the frequency that they break and how inconvienient it is to take 20 mins in the middle of working to get the socket/wrench or whatever that broke

11/8/2006 10:35:22 PM

they break at the frequency directly related to the skill of the user. i use mine 8 hours a day 5 days a week and break maybe 2 a year. i know what i am doing.

11/8/2006 10:48:41 PM

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"no gearwrench is as strong as a solid wrench"

dont know about that. gearwrench is pretty darn solid. and ive double wrenched a gear wrench before.

they hold up.

ive go the flex head ones, and i wouldnt trade them for any other kind

11/8/2006 11:38:55 PM

o really? 8 hours a day 5 days a week, sounds like a good full time job, outa all the garages and machine shops ive seen and been in mabee 1 in 20 use craftsman, if that, breaking is directly related to the skill of the user eh? then why dont more shops use craftsman, because they dont have skill and break them all the time? because they could spend the extra money and get tools that last

[Edited on November 9, 2006 at 12:04 AM. Reason : .]

11/9/2006 12:04:08 AM

because a lot of them lazy nigs want tool truck to come to them drive to the store.

i know a tech that has mostly (80%+) craftsman tools except for some speciality ones. but he is also got a tooklbox from back in the sixties that not much bigger than my entry level deal. he's been working at a dealer longer than most of us here have been alive and doesnt feel a need to "upgrade"

but yeah most pro people prefer to buy off the tooltruck

11/9/2006 12:10:38 AM

thats one place i will renig on my bitchin about craftsman is their "older" tools, from many many years back, when they started getting very money consious like most businesses and started changing metal mixtures and how they anodize their tools in MY opinion is when their tools went strait downhill.

11/9/2006 12:28:51 AM

tools

11/9/2006 12:47:30 AM

snap-on

11/9/2006 1:01:10 PM

tool trucks are a racket

11/9/2006 2:39:23 PM

Quote :

"no gearwrench is as strong as a solid wrench"

i've cranked on them right damn hard before and jammed a few, nothin a hard hit on somethin solid couldn't fix, never braken one though

11/9/2006 2:41:21 PM

^every once in awhile abs locks up tho

11/9/2006 3:57:38 PM