http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DTBVNTt3Ic

9/29/2006 11:09:23 AM

It's an unhappy documentary, but it puts a lot into perspective.

[Edited on September 29, 2006 at 12:42 PM. Reason : -]

9/29/2006 12:42:04 PM

Does the hero die at the end?

9/29/2006 1:12:24 PM

Maybe

10/2/2006 5:18:07 PM

This is a really good documentary, I recommend watching it.

10/2/2006 8:00:21 PM

Seriously, watch this shit, people. This should be spawning more discussion as it is. It's a hard subject, and pretty fucking sobering, but it deserves a watch, if only to see what our tax dollars are being applied towards.

Israelis are terrorists as bad as the Muslim extremists they cry about. The only difference is that they roll around in APC's and claim that since their "intention" wasn't to target civilians that civilian deaths are the other side's fault. Horribly fucking immoral, horribly fucking uneconomical (considering the surviving family members are fresh bait for terrorist recruitment).

10/3/2006 12:05:14 AM

seriously, what's wrong with moving them all to New Jersey?

10/3/2006 12:09:47 AM

I endorse the New Jersey proposal.

10/3/2006 12:23:38 AM

Going to BTTT this until you guys fucking watch it.

10/3/2006 7:39:18 AM

I'd really like to hear the opinion of someone who still supports Israel even after watching this video.

10/3/2006 4:01:54 PM

Anyone? Bhueller?

10/4/2006 6:19:32 PM

certainly you feel sorry for the civilian casualties....but I didn't see any perspective on the suicide bombings that occur in Israel

I'm sure that isn't a pretty site either and we know their targets ARE civilians

10/4/2006 6:57:27 PM

^ Way to miss the point.

The point isn't yayyyy Hamas, boooo Israeli Defense Force. It's boo Hamas, boo Israeli Defense Force.

Why do people like you force this situation into a false dichotomy? Can we only care about Israeli citizens OR the citizens of Gaza? Why? Do you seriously justify these deaths because of Hamas suicide bombers? You do realize that this mode of thinking is what leads to suicide bombings, right?

Did you really watch the video? Did you actually think about this for more than 15 seconds?

ALSO: Even though Israel officially "doesn't target civilians", you know that's not true in some cases. Also, how is their blatant disregard for civilian life that they know they're endangering with their brash, overcompensative reprisals any more morally justified than Hamas targeting civilians specifically?

[Edited on October 4, 2006 at 10:08 PM. Reason : .]

10/4/2006 10:06:48 PM

Quote :

"how is their blatant disregard for civilian life that they know they're endangering with their brash, overcompensative reprisals any more morally justified than Hamas targeting civilians specifically?"

i'd say the latter is probably more reprehensible; negligent recklessness vs. malicious hunting. It's a tough call though.

regardless, good video, and good points brought up.

[Edited on October 4, 2006 at 10:18 PM. Reason : bad analogy]

10/4/2006 10:18:06 PM

I don't see how either is worse. What does it matter if I fire a rocket into a crowd of civilians aiming at a militant, or aiming at a civilian?

10/4/2006 10:18:45 PM

yea, i see what you mean. A life is a life. I dunno, man,

10/4/2006 10:20:09 PM

There's no good side to this military conflict, I really wish people who staunchly support both sides could understand that. If anything, that's what this video helps show. At least for people who can think critically.

10/4/2006 10:29:13 PM

haven't watched the video yet

both sides suck big time

i hate israel less

10/4/2006 11:11:18 PM

You might not after seeing this. Not much difference between Hamas and Israel in what you see in those tapes, except Israel has ... tanks and millions and millions of dollars.

10/4/2006 11:32:10 PM

This movie insinuates that the Israeli military shoots first, and invents a false story to justify cold-blooded military-murders later. So, what exactly is the difference between mowing down innocent civilians, and inventing a cover story; and a hamas suicide bomber that targets innocent civilians? As far as I can tell, the only difference is wealth and organization. The most troubling aspect of this video was when a British journalist was shot in the head by an Israeli soldier from a distant Israeli outpost. After he was shot, the British journalist had to wait an entire two hours just to gain clearance from the Israeli military in order to go to an Israeli hospital. He had to wait for permission from the same very people that just shot him, in order to get effective medical care. It seemed like the Israeli military was just waiting for him to die, because then they could just invent another story.

[Edited on October 5, 2006 at 1:41 AM. Reason : -]

10/5/2006 1:28:14 AM

well, this is fucked up

10/5/2006 8:37:56 AM

Yeah, very bad things are unfolding near the circle K.

10/5/2006 2:04:06 PM