Great President? Or greatest President?

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8/3/2006 7:18:19 PM

u mean Greatest President?

8/3/2006 7:20:28 PM

yes, he is the greatest president. I'll put you down for that.

8/3/2006 7:30:41 PM

one spot below Taft on my list.

8/3/2006 7:42:29 PM

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=407094&page=1

8/3/2006 8:24:56 PM

he's been as effective as William Henry Harrison

8/3/2006 8:34:17 PM

Good Ole Tippecanoe. He had a bad heart, and a bad choice of vice president.

8/3/2006 8:38:34 PM

I took my Bush sticker off of the car today...

8/3/2006 8:52:48 PM

I never have and never will vote for him... won't vote for a dem either, though, so don't worry about that

8/3/2006 9:43:32 PM

can't vote for w again anyway

8/3/2006 9:44:00 PM

^^ but you love guns and hate abortions (according to your photo gallery). What's wrong with w?

8/3/2006 9:46:35 PM

AND TYLER, TOO!

His best hope now is to be a forgettable president. If he's remembered for anything, it'll be expansion of presidential powers, unlawful treatment of detainees, and getting screwing up Iraq.



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8/3/2006 10:19:02 PM

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"I never have and never will vote for him... won't vote for a dem either, though, so don't worry about that "

and thus your votes will mean nothing for years to come

8/3/2006 10:23:03 PM

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" ^^ but you love guns and hate abortions (according to your photo gallery). What's wrong with w?"

I self-identify most closely with paleoconservatives. Bush is what I and many others refer to as a neoconservative. His record shows that he doesn't understand how to cut spending, he has a very poor record on environmental protection, he unwaveringly supports Israel, he seems to be pro-big government/big-brother, and he is an aggressor in Iraq and perhaps, soon, other countries for what I see to be no *good* reason.

I love my guns and I strongly oppose abortion. However, these beliefs do not overpower my dislike for the president for the above-mentioned reasons. That being said, I’m also not going to vote for someone who would implement stricter rules on my firearms and perpetuate legal abortion (among other things that I’m against). So, I’m left with write-ins. *sigh*

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"and thus your votes will mean nothing for years to come"

My vote would mean nothing if I voted for someone that I didn't believe in.

8/3/2006 10:35:03 PM

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8/3/2006 11:03:03 PM

^^ my point is that unless you vote for a rep or a dem, you might as well just stay home on election day..

one day it might change... but i doubt anytime soon... good luck though

8/4/2006 12:25:13 AM

^^i did it first

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=407094&page=1

8/4/2006 12:33:02 AM

^^ that mentality is why that is true

8/4/2006 1:37:25 AM

All that bush has shown, is that the president is powerless and his party holds the real iron fist.

Yah, they've done a pretty good job planning ahead in the future :/

8/4/2006 2:16:18 AM

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"Dentaldamn: ^^ that mentality is why that is true"

[no], the fact we're a capitalist system is why it's true. Politics functions like a market -- if a 3rd party ever came up with a decent idea big enough to win elections, the idea would be absorbed by Republicans or Democrats.

The fact most 3rd parties are batshit crazy doesn't help either... 

8/4/2006 9:02:45 AM

^ Hey now! Ross Perot.....oh wait

My only hope for the future is that my grand childrens' text books will show Bush for the abomination of a president that he truly is. Thank God/Allah/Buddha for two term limits. But then again I am just some kind of pansy, liberal, pinko-commie.

8/4/2006 10:44:52 AM

Ross Perot had it in his hands to make a third party viable until he quit in the '92 campaign. By the time he decided that he didn't want to quit anymore, his poll numbers had dropped considerably.

Perot could have meant huge things to this country, but pussed out. I mean, he was a whack-job, but he could have been a history-making whack-job instead of a footnote.

8/4/2006 11:09:16 AM

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"TGD: [no], the fact we're a capitalist system is why it's true. Politics functions like a market -- if a 3rd party ever came up with a decent idea big enough to win elections, the idea would be absorbed by Republicans or Democrats."

Yep. Has nothing to do with those matching public funds available to the two major parties and no others at all...nosireebob.

8/4/2006 11:17:57 AM

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"my point is that unless you vote for a rep or a dem"

where did she say she wouldnt vote republican?

you know bush can't run again, right?

right?

8/4/2006 11:31:40 AM

^ This is true. I would vote for a rep who wasn't retarded and followed most of my political beliefs and I would even vote for a dem who followed the same criteria (although it's not likely one would run).

[Edited on August 4, 2006 at 11:48 AM. Reason : clarify]

8/4/2006 11:48:09 AM

great

8/4/2006 12:12:31 PM

i'll bet people 50 years down the road will say he was a great president

lots of former US presidents were hated by a lot of people during their term similar to all the people who hate Bush now

8/4/2006 12:24:21 PM

Herbert Hoover?

8/4/2006 12:24:55 PM

^^Why? Why would anyone say he was a great president? What has he really done for this country? Cut taxes while spending more money? Gotten into a war(justified or not) that we have no way out of? Damaged our standing in the international community? Managed to get people to equate people working 80 hour weeks with 3 minimum wage jobs as "economic growth?" Appointed a hack to head up FEMA?

Show me where the great is. Please.

8/4/2006 12:52:45 PM

Where can I get some of the drugs you people are on?

8/4/2006 12:54:28 PM

forest for the trees

you think everybody loved FDR or something when he was president?

8/4/2006 12:54:45 PM

how long were we involved in combat in WWII vs. the length of time in Iraq? And what were the tangible results vs. Iraq? Iraq is overall worse off than it was before we came in.

8/4/2006 1:00:46 PM

^^Most people did

and (this is key), he didn't fucking suck at everything he did.



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8/4/2006 1:01:20 PM

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"he didn't fucking suck at everything he did."

your mastery of political debate makes james carville jealous

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8/4/2006 1:02:54 PM

Social Security
Iraq
Cutting spending
North Korea
Iran
Israel
Energy independence
Federal response to Katrina
MARS, BITCH

v.

???

[Edited on August 4, 2006 at 1:18 PM. Reason : thanks tree]

8/4/2006 1:06:42 PM

^yea, he fucked up all those things

8/4/2006 1:10:29 PM

you forgot to blame him for creating katrina

8/4/2006 1:14:07 PM

nope, just letting everyone die afterward.

8/4/2006 1:14:47 PM

There were presidents who were unfairly hated or not credited enough for their accomplishments.

Nixon comes to mind.

Bush is not one of them.


^^How could I forget the Katrina response?!? Edited.




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8/4/2006 1:16:56 PM

you know exactly what people thought of presidents 50 or 60 years ago and you also know exactly how people who wont be born for another 30 years will view bush just because you personally have been around during bush's terms

8/4/2006 1:18:14 PM

See, the common characteristics amongst under-appreciated presidencies is that they all had something to appreciate about them.

8/4/2006 1:19:47 PM

^which means they had to accomplish something.

8/4/2006 1:22:38 PM

OMG WE FORGOT ABOUT TORT REFORM

AND POLAND!

8/4/2006 1:26:35 PM

George is really good at overly dramatic acts.

For example, he interrupted his vacation to show his support for not pulling the plug on a brain-dead woman.

The only way the city of New Orleans would have had a chance was if it had a feeding tube.

Oh, and he can stand in front of signs like a champ. I can see how history is really going to judge him to be among the greats.

8/4/2006 2:02:57 PM

^Wasn't that the 3 or 4 week vacation he took a while back?

8/4/2006 2:09:31 PM

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"^^i did it first "

colbert was doing it from jan.

8/4/2006 2:10:02 PM

^well dur, i'm a pretty big colbert fan, i would know this

i meant like i made a thread based on his idea

8/4/2006 2:13:25 PM

history will see bush as the US president who took a stand against terror...history wont see him as the bumbling dumbass that modern media portrays him as

8/4/2006 4:14:03 PM

too bad i'll probably be dead and have lived the rest of my life in a shitty ass america so people beyond my lifetime can say he "took a stand against terror"

8/4/2006 4:15:56 PM

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"history will see bush as the US president who took a stand against terror"

I AGREE COMPLETELY

he figured out that you attack the group of people that attacks you.....and for figuring that out, he'll be remember as at least not the worst president ever.

8/4/2006 4:17:45 PM