So i am a vegetarian, but having said this i basically dont eat anything you had to kill the animal to get. Meaning no fish, beef, pork, chicken... and the like.

I do eat eggs and milk.

Now... I have read that protein in plants when you start to weight lift isnt as good for you as animal meat. Because of there incompleteness. I wonder how does milk, eggs, and soy match up when it comes to substituting those against meat proteins? Would it be fair to say i can look up recomendations for meat eaters and count it 1 to 1 if i drink milk, soy, or eggs?

Any good websites on this would be helpful, but that is the main question i am trying to figure out.

Thanks

6/14/2006 5:58:08 AM

what about whey protein?? that comes from milk and is a better protein supplement than soy at least.

6/14/2006 6:48:45 AM

You can mix grains, veggies, and legumes to build complete proteins. This is how societies survive on beans and rice when meat's not eaten, either out of lifestyle choice or animal scarcity.

http://www.bodyforlife2.com/incompletprotein.htm

^ That site shows how to build complete proteins from non-meat food sources.

6/14/2006 7:14:15 AM

I can't believe you eat baby chickens and starve baby cows. Baby killer!

6/14/2006 7:38:19 AM

Yeah, that's really low, drinking the creamy liquid baby cows.
Screw the chickens though, they're retarded enough to count as plants.

6/14/2006 8:00:36 AM

a male vegetarian?

id wager you get enough "protein" as a result of your choice of lifestyle.

6/14/2006 8:59:43 AM

holy shit.... ^ you guys really do flame all the fucking time....

but aside from all the b.s. thanks to the two people who actually gave me some actual help...

6/14/2006 9:42:45 AM

you don't eat fish or seafood??

6/14/2006 9:44:56 AM

no i consider that meat... basically if you have to kill the animal... and i know eggs is borderline in some peoples opinion but i dont think so

6/14/2006 9:47:16 AM

wow

i debated going veg. for health and weight reasons once, but it lasted all of 12 hours

seafood is what got me

6/14/2006 9:49:27 AM

well what if the fish dies of a shark bite.

or a chickens head gets eaten off by a gator.

does that count as killing it to eat it?

6/14/2006 9:52:15 AM

^hahahah

i always have questions like that too


i've always wondered if ppl are vegetarians for the whole "humane" aspect of it feed their pets regular dog and cat food

6/14/2006 9:54:32 AM

i am not exactly the biggest fan of pets either... nothing against them.. just never had one...

^ you have a good point that is kinda wrong. and i probably wouldnt keep one for that reason.

^^ if it was killed by another animal i dont have some overwhelming urge to eat it anyway. i dont care how it was killed. if the gator killed it... then let the gator eat it.

^^^ your the first person ive heard say that.. its usually chicken... but ehh... try again

6/14/2006 9:56:59 AM

^^i just realized how clumbsy of a sentece that was
and to think that i'm in college

6/14/2006 9:59:00 AM

Is the reason you're a vegetarian because you think eating animals is wrong, or is it just for health reasons?

6/14/2006 10:27:50 AM

how bout i tell you its tofu, but its really chicken.

will you get mad?

6/14/2006 10:30:23 AM

mostly cause i think its wrong.... not really for health reasons, i dont eat that bad to begin with...

[Edited on June 14, 2006 at 10:31 AM. Reason : ^ yea i would shoot you in the face...]

6/14/2006 10:30:53 AM

egg whites

6/14/2006 10:32:43 AM

are egg whites significantly better better than the whole egg?

6/14/2006 10:39:10 AM

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"^^i just realized how clumbsy of a sentece that was and to think that i'm in college"

oops

6/14/2006 10:41:01 AM

I honestly don't understand why people feel the need to jump all over veg*ns. Do you feel the need to justify your own diet?

Anyway, to give some medical information to the pet question:

I'm working toward veganism, but I still feed my cat "normal" cat food because they cannot digest proteins from anything other than animal sources and because they require taurine(which almost exclusively comes from meat sources). Trying to make an obligate carnivore into a vegetarian would be cruel. (That doesn't mean that people don't do it though.)

Dogs on the other hand are like humans in that they can go from an omnivore to a herbivore safely.

6/14/2006 10:55:25 AM

boil some eggs and eat the white

a ton of protein in that stuff, the yellow is mostly cholesterol

6/14/2006 10:56:14 AM

"I'm not a vegetarian because I like animals; I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants."

6/14/2006 11:24:54 AM

^^^^

^^^oh i didnt mean to sound like i was jumping on your case, but i just was curious if vegetarians made their pets eat like them, and would they make their kids be vegetarians too....i'm just very curious about how far they'll go to press theiir beliefs (I know this sounds like I'm being mean or whatever, but i'm really not-honest question)



[Edited on June 14, 2006 at 11:27 AM. Reason : ^]

6/14/2006 11:25:05 AM

^^^I wouldn't worry about cholesterol unless there is a history of high cholesterol in your family


Do you like cottage cheese? 1 cup has like 12g of carbs and 28g protein

[Edited on June 14, 2006 at 11:30 AM. Reason : ]

6/14/2006 11:29:13 AM

I have no beef with vegetarians.


HARHARHARHAR

6/14/2006 11:36:25 AM

come join my chapter of PETA.

[Edited on June 14, 2006 at 11:40 AM. Reason : people eating tasty animals .]

6/14/2006 11:40:23 AM

^Sounds like my kind of group 'cause I love some tuna, turkey, a nice big slab of steak, and chicken. Fried rockfish is sooo good. Oh, and baked chicken; I cook mine in those cooking bags and they always come out so nice and tender. Stuff that badboy with some celery and green peppers give it nice flavor. Put some seasoning on it... Damn, I'm getting hungry. I think I'll cook a chicken and some fish for my fam when I go home next weekend, seeing as I don't have a stove down here.

Not a big fan of pork, however.

6/14/2006 11:55:59 AM

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"are egg whites significantly better better than the whole egg"

No, the whole egg is best but some people don't eat the yolk because of cholesterol

6/14/2006 12:07:30 PM

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"I honestly don't understand why people feel the need to jump all over veg*ns. Do you feel the need to justify your own diet? "

It's because veg* are a strange lot of people. What kind of moron foregoes his naturally selected right to munch on flesh?

[Edited on June 14, 2006 at 1:40 PM. Reason : n]

6/14/2006 1:20:14 PM

Whey protein is a good supplement even for non-veg folk. You do dairy, so that's an easy answer.

[Edited on June 14, 2006 at 1:44 PM. Reason : save the hedgehog]

6/14/2006 1:33:14 PM

What moron doesnt have enough self control to not eat living beings... ^^


^Would drinking a considerable amount of milk do just as well or would you recommend whey protein?

6/14/2006 4:02:42 PM

the prob with dairy is its fat content. reduced fat milk, cheese ect...also has reduced protein.

Get the whey, mix it with one bannana, some berries, oj, and ice. Blend and enjoy.

but keep in mind that the average person can only process about 20g of protein at a time, so if you intake much more than that, it's going to waste.

[Edited on June 14, 2006 at 4:10 PM. Reason : .]

6/14/2006 4:09:21 PM

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"but keep in mind that the average person can only process about 20g of protein at a time, so if you intake much more than that, it's going to waste. "

I disagree...if your looking to tone up or whatever you should be taking in around 130 grams of protein per day. Take whey protein. don't overdue it, you'll fuck up y our kidneys. If you don't eat meat, then eat PLENTY of legumes(black beans, northern beans, pinto beans, lima beans) and Nuts and peanut Butter with Omega-3

6/14/2006 4:22:45 PM

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"i debated going veg. for health and weight reasons once"

yeah, you're such a heifer

6/14/2006 4:25:41 PM

^^you can take as much as you want during the course of a day, but not much more than 20g at any one sitting.

[Edited on June 14, 2006 at 4:27 PM. Reason : ^]

6/14/2006 4:26:33 PM

the whey protein that i take suggest one scoop per drink(which is 31 grams of protein).

6/14/2006 4:29:21 PM

i'd be a vegan if chef boyardi wasnt considered meat

6/14/2006 4:31:50 PM

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view.php/42613

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"The human body, while able to handle 20-30 grams of protein in one intake, “cannot tolerate that on an hourly basis.” Too much protein fills the blood with too many amino acids. These excess amino acids are converted into carbon dioxide, water, and ammonia. This ammonia is toxic to the body and is a primary cause of premature fatigue. While the body is equipped to handle excess ammonia by converting it to urea then filtering it through the kidneys, too much puts a burden on the kidneys. "

[Edited on June 14, 2006 at 4:38 PM. Reason : .]

6/14/2006 4:37:33 PM

i appreciate that.. that is actually what i was looking for.. i will keep that in mind

6/14/2006 4:41:52 PM

Joie-

No harm done, just explaining some animal nutrition facts. The whole annoyance part of my post definitely wasn't directed at you. I know a lot of vegans online who feed their cats a vegan diet and while they survive, it just isn't good for the animal.

I'll definitely be feeding my kids vegan/vegetarian even if I end up with a meat eater. When they get old enough they can make the decision for themselves.

[Edited on June 14, 2006 at 4:47 PM. Reason : ]

6/14/2006 4:45:17 PM

more then 20-30g in one sitting = bad

1g per 1lb wieght PER DAY = good

/experts

[Edited on June 14, 2006 at 4:47 PM. Reason : 4]

6/14/2006 4:46:37 PM

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"I'll definitely be feeding my kids vegan"

if the kid doesn't have fatty milk when he is young, it won't be very healthy later.

6/14/2006 4:48:00 PM

So. . . you mean like the milk that will come out of my breasts?

6/14/2006 4:49:28 PM

yes, but isn't that from an animal?

6/14/2006 4:52:48 PM

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"boil some eggs and eat the white a ton of protein in that stuff, the yellow is mostly cholesterol"

You're an idiot. The yolk contains a significant amount of protein, and virtually all the fat and vitamins/minerals in a egg, along with the cholesterol. Eggs are one of the most complete foods there are. Think about it, it contains everything to make a baby chicken. Vegetarian or not, do yourself a favor, and eat the yolk. By the way, the cholesterol in your blood is more dependent on saturated fat intake than cholesterol intake.

[Edited on June 14, 2006 at 4:58 PM. Reason : a]

6/14/2006 4:57:55 PM

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"ddlakhan All American 760 Posts user info edit post What moron doesnt have enough self control to not eat living beings..."

I don't really see where self control comes into play here. Make a better argument and I might respond with more content.

6/14/2006 5:10:00 PM

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"you can take as much as you want during the course of a day, but not much more than 20g at any one sitting."

please find a more reputable source

6/14/2006 5:11:12 PM

^Word

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""The human body, while able to handle 20-30 grams of protein in one intake, “cannot tolerate that on an hourly basis.” Too much protein fills the blood with too many amino acids. These excess amino acids are converted into carbon dioxide, water, and ammonia. This ammonia is toxic to the body and is a primary cause of premature fatigue. While the body is equipped to handle excess ammonia by converting it to urea then filtering it through the kidneys, too much puts a burden on the kidneys."

I think you shmucks are misinterpreting this. For instance your body can easily tolerate 40-50 grams of protein, if you don't eat again for at least 3 hours or more. This is what most people do. All food isn't digested at once, so this gives a steady flow of amino acids into the blood stream. Shoving 20-30 grams of protein (meals or supplements) every hour isn't a bright idea, is basically what this is saying.

[Edited on June 14, 2006 at 5:18 PM. Reason : a]

6/14/2006 5:17:45 PM

ah I didn't realize it said HOURLY...I usually eat every 2 hours

6/14/2006 5:19:54 PM