When the next major terrorist attack occurs here, it will eventually be found that some or all of those responsible used or crossed the mexican border. it just bothers me that bush, who wants to be the cowboy of the war on turrar, refuses to actually do anything about this issue. i mean in all honestly how can you try to be tough on turrar, fight extremism abroad, have better intel, improved homeland security but then leave the back door wide open. i mean its like buying a gun, an alarm and setting up a neighborhood watch to protect your house but leaving the back door blatantly open. dont come wondering when someone comes into your house, murders your family and steals your TV. Bush has gone all liberal on this and so many other issues. id say bush is pretty much one of the worst US presidents in history. and for those of you that say terrorists are not going to come across the open borders, you are very naive and i feel sorry for you.

4/27/2006 6:42:39 PM

the terrorists that come to the us come on travel or student visas. don't try to make mexicans the scapegoat from this situation. one of them went to nc state, should we start hating all alumni?

4/27/2006 6:46:41 PM

they dont need to come across the border, they can just fly in

4/27/2006 6:50:36 PM

mexicans are cultural terrorists.

4/27/2006 6:51:44 PM

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"i mean its like buying a gun, an alarm and setting up a neighborhood watch to protect your house but leaving the back door blatantly open."

ACTUALLY
its like buying a gun and shooting the robbers nextdoor neighbor while leaving your house unlocked without an alarm with all your neighbors kinda paying attention, but not really.

4/27/2006 6:58:03 PM

And I will absolutely guarantee that the borders will be easier to patrol against real criminals and terrorists sneaking in when the background noise of millions of peaceful and non-threatening people are removed from the picture and routed through legal border crossings.

– Warren Meyer

4/27/2006 7:02:57 PM

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"those of you that say terrorists are not going to come across the open borders, you are very naive and i feel sorry for you"

why would they risk flying in, or using visas where there are actually checks and a trail to them, when they can pretty easily walk right in the back door and then dissapear without a trace. you are naive if you believe this insnt a problem. hell some evidence exists that this is already happening. i mean lets be logical, if you were a terrorist or spy, wouldnt you want to come through without a trace instead of leaving a trail or risking capture at customs. it really angers me that bush is impotent on this issue, any soverign nation must and should protect their borders. i m

[Edited on April 27, 2006 at 7:11 PM. Reason : .]

4/27/2006 7:07:24 PM

we arent controlling anything.

read the fucking news

4/27/2006 7:12:16 PM

what the hell are ya talking about, thats my whole point

4/27/2006 7:15:15 PM

The thing is, Republican, you make this assertion, and have nothing to back it with.

No terrorist since Pancho Villa (if you want to count him) has crossed into the United States through Mexico.

Coming in legally (with the visa and all) is much easier for them in the long run, as it means they have to be less secretive about everything they do.

4/27/2006 7:20:57 PM

the arguement that they have not done it is not a valid point to say they cant do it. they certainly can, and i bet you they are, and mark my words, there will be proof of this in the future and it will be this administrations fault

4/27/2006 7:27:33 PM

no.
your point is that we need to close our borders because of 9/11.
my point is that we arent worried about national security at all. why crack down on the mexicans when we arent cracking down on anyone else? especially when the others are the ones that caused 9/11

4/27/2006 7:31:44 PM

if you believe salisburyboy

"terrorists" don't come to america, we just make them up

4/27/2006 7:35:16 PM

another reason not to close the border

except salisburybot hates all non whites so nvm

4/27/2006 7:37:08 PM

my point has nothing to do with mexicans, it has to do with closing the borders for security reasons. we should crack down on everybody entering illegally for security reasons. if the mexicans want jobs they can come here legally. im not opposed to that, but the ourous borders are bad for the security of this country

4/27/2006 7:40:23 PM

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"if the mexicans want jobs they can come here legally"

naive statements, party of one

4/27/2006 7:40:59 PM

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"it will eventually be found that some or all of those responsible used or crossed the mexican border."

nothing to do with mexicans?

4/27/2006 7:45:05 PM

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"nothing to do with mexicans?"

no moron, mexican is being used in the context of....(listen close).....mexican border. which is refering to....(i know this is hard)....the geographical location of the border between.....(i will slow down so you can take notes)....the United States and the country of Mexico. perhaps you need a map. it is not referring to mexicans

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"naive statements, party of one"

why is it naive to enforce and have a rational immigration policy.

[Edited on April 27, 2006 at 7:53 PM. Reason : .]

4/27/2006 7:52:21 PM

go reread your fucking post

do you want to close the mexican border because of security or because of immigration


what about the canadian border? it has a lot more holes. where is your rant on that?

4/27/2006 7:55:08 PM

^silly kid....canadians are white

4/27/2006 7:56:31 PM

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""if the mexicans want jobs they can come here legally""

do you think its that easy
its just like ordering a hamburger?

if it was so fucking easy, we wouldn't exactly have this problem now would we?

so once again

sir, the non-smoking section is full, but we can seat you immediately in the baseless claims section

4/27/2006 7:58:07 PM

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"any soverign nation must and should protect their borders"

i said all borders

and the problem is mexico cant fix their own problems and thus support the bottom of their society moving here. this is a bigger issue than just immigration. the point is, before a solution can be reached, of guest workers, or amnesty or any other plan...the borders must be secured first. you can fix a flodded room without stopping the leak.

[Edited on April 27, 2006 at 8:01 PM. Reason : .]

4/27/2006 7:58:58 PM

no. you said close the mexican border because immigrants are terrorists

except that isnt true and you have completely ignored both reality and canada

4/27/2006 8:00:33 PM

i never said immigrants are terrorists retard, i said terrorists can come across the open borders. and in a post after my first one i clarified that i meant all borders should be secure

4/27/2006 8:03:08 PM

You know what i dont understand? why some of "these" people get pissed when we talk of closing "OUR" borders?!?!?!


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11226144/


and as far as terrorism...what do you people define as terrorism

[Edited on April 27, 2006 at 8:13 PM. Reason : .]

4/27/2006 8:10:46 PM

"i" have no "clue" what you "are" talking "about"

4/27/2006 8:13:17 PM

yup

4/27/2006 8:13:22 PM

if by "these people" you mean "illegals"

they get upset because there was a movement to make it a felony to be here

which means if we kick them out and they cam eback, they'd be in a world of shit

of course, a world of shit in america is better than anything in mexico

now the problem is we riled the essés up, and they ain't settlin' down

of course, neither are the "homegrown" amurrican folks now i guess

4/27/2006 8:14:12 PM

so why have you only ranted about mexicans?

and all the terrorists came through "secure" borders. so again, why are you ignoring the past out of pure irrational fear?

4/27/2006 8:14:22 PM

No, when i say "these people" i mean you people AMERRIKUNS

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"No terrorist since Pancho Villa (if you want to count him) has crossed into the United States through Mexico."

and plus when people say shit like this. hey asshole, how many black snipers have we had since/before the DC incident???? that pseudo fact is not justification to keep borders open or turn our heads away from mexio.

so there is a first time for everything.



[Edited on April 27, 2006 at 8:20 PM. Reason : .]

4/27/2006 8:15:46 PM

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"hey asshole, how many black snipers have we had since/before the DC incident????"

None. If it were a big problem, we'd start cracking down on the ability to scoped rifles. But since snipers aren't a real problem, we don't crack down. Just like this situation: Since people crossing the Mexican border aren't a pack of terrorists, it isn't a real problem, so there's no reason to crack down.

The "first time for everything" logic, as you're using it, is just inane. Why don't I see you people screaming your heads off to inspect every container that comes to this country on a ship? That's been seen as a bigger threat than Mexico ever since 9/11. Where's the outrage there?

Of course, now that I've mentioned it, you'll say, "Oh, but of course I want to crack down on shipping." But that's not what you assholes talk about. It's not what you make threads about. It's not what you post about. You post about the Mexicans.

Besides, I say again -- it is in the terrorists' best interest to get into the country legally. It allows their operatives more freedom of movement and action while they're here. It provides them with a cover. Sneaking across the border leaves them in a much more precarious position.

WHY DON'T I SEE YOU ASSHOLES SAYING THAT WE NEED TO START RESTRICTING STUDENT AND TRAVEL VISAS?

At the end of the day, you know the answer. You don't have to admit it to anyone, including yourself, but you do.

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"why is it naive to enforce and have a rational immigration policy. "

It isn't. If we had a rational immigration policy, it would be right to enforce it.

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"the arguement that they have not done it is not a valid point to say they cant do it."

You could say the same thing about any other means of getting into the country, some of which would be much better approaches than the Mexican border.

4/27/2006 8:41:39 PM

so do you think we need to close(enforce, more patrols) our borders with mexico?

Yes or No



[Edited on April 27, 2006 at 8:51 PM. Reason : .]

4/27/2006 8:49:35 PM

its funny because one of my best friends is an illegal alien from Canada

he's working on his papers though

4/27/2006 8:59:13 PM

why don't we legalize immigration from mexico, thus making clandestine border crossings a thing of the past so we'll be able to better control who comes and goes.

4/27/2006 9:27:49 PM

who else isnt surprised that he didn't mention open Canadian borders?

4/27/2006 9:50:26 PM

all i know is

anyone who says it is easy to legally immigrate to america from mexico is a fucking dumbass

4/27/2006 10:02:41 PM

Why should it be? Look what a garbage dump they turned Mexico into.

4/27/2006 11:17:15 PM

wtf? is this guy micheal savage or something?

4/27/2006 11:49:40 PM

... is it even worth posting a well researched, serious reply in this thread.....

cause.. I'm really debating it over here, and I just can't seem to see the point..

4/27/2006 11:51:38 PM

i didn't read all those words

but they reek of hate

4/28/2006 1:12:44 AM

I haven't had the time to read this thread yet

but I would just like to go ahead and voice my opinion, which is I hate darkies.

4/28/2006 2:27:43 AM

MEXICANS GIT OUT O MAH CUNTRIE!!

4/28/2006 3:07:08 AM

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"so do you think we need to close(enforce, more patrols) our borders with mexico?"

Not exactly.

What I've said many times in many threads is this:

We need to open up immigration to anybody who is not a major criminal or associated with terrorists.

Thus, anybody who is just looking for a job and some stability in life can come in. Anybody who is looking to hurt us can't -- they'd get caught in the simple background checks. The bad guys would be the only ones trying to sneak across. Thus we could feel alright about shooting anybody who tried to cross the border illegally.

So I guess my answer is, "Yes, we need to enforce our border with Mexico," but only on the condition that we let all the good guys in.

As it stands, we're keeping out countless thousands of good guys out, partially for the sake of keeping out bad guys who don't even exist as yet, and otherwise for the sake of blatant racism. Given that situation, my choice is to help people who break unjust laws to get in here up until the point that the unjust laws go away.

4/28/2006 3:59:01 AM

I agree that we should let in the good guys. Bu that I mean those wanting to become Americans, willing to assimilate, work hard and not become leeches on society. In order to allow only the good guys in, we must get better control of our borders.

We definitely need to reform the immigration dept. to allow more legal immigrants to come in. But we must control the number of immigrants we let in each year.

This "No Gringo" boycott on Monday is not going to help their cause with average Americans. Openly promoting the breaking of our law, however "unjust" some think it may be, is not going to bring many people over to their side.

4/28/2006 10:11:25 AM

grumpy
please don't be this naive

you're saying that with background checks and shit we can let anybody in and manage to keep out the bad guys

WHEN BACKGROUND CHECKS AND SHIT DIDN'T STOP ATTA AND THE HOODS THAT DID 9/11

its not like these guys came into america stored in the cargo hold of some plane like fucking Schwarzenneger in Commando

4/28/2006 10:44:48 AM

illegal mexicans > nigs on welfare

4/28/2006 12:48:20 PM

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"WHEN BACKGROUND CHECKS AND SHIT DIDN'T STOP ATTA AND THE HOODS THAT DID 9/11 "

What would have stopped them?

Even if we completely banned all travel in to and out of the country, by anyone, a terrorist will STILL find a way in.

We should take reasonable action to defend the country and secure the borders (and secure lots of other stuff too), but we shouldn't take drastic, resource-consuming actions to make a tiny dent in a problem that we're not 100% certain even exists.

Completely closing the borders won't work, and it DEFINITELY won't solve the problems that some places are having now WRT illegals (resource drain on unprepared social and economic systems).

There are better solutions that don't involve making the US look like a bunch of racist assholes.

4/28/2006 1:42:12 PM

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"There are better solutions that don't involve making the US look like a bunch of racist assholes."

I busted out laughin at that one!! you can't be serious!!!! naaa you're joking

4/28/2006 2:55:34 PM

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"you're saying that with background checks and shit we can let anybody in and manage to keep out the bad guys"

Not really. I think it's a given that no security measure is liable to stop someone who really wants to get in, but background checks would help to weed out those with somewhat less initiative.

The big reason for the checks would be to restrict the criminal element, but it would also present a hurdle -- albeit not a massive one -- to terrorists.

4/28/2006 3:39:29 PM

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"But we must control the number of immigrants we let in each year. "

why?

choose whether you want the good ones in or a certain number.
and why should they have to assimilate? as long as they can make a living, pay taxes, and not commit crimes i dont give a fuck what language they speak.

4/28/2006 3:58:06 PM