http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/25/immigration.rallies.ap/index.html
3/26/2006 3:49:46 AM
The same way they were going to act before the march: by failing to pass any bill whatsoever.
3/26/2006 9:22:29 AM
hey paco, while im glad ur madre got over here and is a productive member of society, that doesnt mean we should just let everyone in here illegally.
3/26/2006 9:30:41 AM
most immigrants that come here are productive members of society.
3/26/2006 10:02:35 AM
3/26/2006 10:30:47 AM
The status quo is good for our economy. It wont be changed in any important way.
3/26/2006 11:38:00 AM
nothing against these people but if they all got together in their country of origin im sure they could do something to increase their standard of living there. I know we are the land of the free and our population is made up of immigrants it just seems kinda silly. Just seems kinda going in the wrong directions if ya ask me. No one starts kick ass revolutions anymore, they just hop the boarder. Kinda sucks.oh and the junk about mexicans didnt blow up the world trade tower is the most hilarious bullshit ive ever read.
3/26/2006 11:47:50 AM
I hope my "Legalize Murder" rally goes as well!Not that I don't think some reforms to immigration need to be made...I just thought it was a salient point to make.[Edited on March 26, 2006 at 12:00 PM. Reason : .]
3/26/2006 12:00:05 PM
3/26/2006 12:04:04 PM
^^Wages in <random 3rd world country> : below what you would pay a slavewages here: bad but not that bad"most hilarious bullshit" ???? Go look at how the 9/11 guys entered the country. it wasnt by running through the Rio Grande.
3/26/2006 12:06:02 PM
^ thats why you overthrow the gubment. Che style.and its hilarious b/c it makes no sense. Oh we didnt blow up your building so we're cool, dont mind us.Its backwards logic.
3/26/2006 12:07:53 PM
3/26/2006 12:13:00 PM
The only problem with revolt in most of those third world countries is that control of the government does not mean control of the economy. Killing some politician isnt going to do much when the vast majority of the country is controlled by American/European fucks. All the more reason to come here. Take the fight TO walmart.Its not really backward logic. What are the explanations for limiting immigration? Its bad for the economy is just plain wrong, and proved wrong with any actual statistics. Therefore, security is the only reason to keep them out, so proving that wrong is smart. Unless we just admit to being racist, but I cant see that happening.
3/26/2006 12:14:12 PM
I know this is the extreme, but unlimited immigration would absolutely destroy our economy.
3/26/2006 12:55:48 PM
^I don't see how.
3/26/2006 1:17:00 PM
3/26/2006 1:29:08 PM
^^By straining our social services to the point that debt spun out of control and our government could no longer function.Immigrants (and poor people) cost a lot more to the government than they pay in taxes.what I said in the other thread about this (the link documented fights between black and mexican students):I think it would be pretty funny if they rounded up all the protesters and took them down to Mexico in paddy wagons.The fights between blacks and Mexicans are a funny new trend in California. Mexicans are willing to work harder and for less money than uneducated blacks, and correspondingly are taking a lot of their jobs. Black community leaders in LA are some of the most racist, anti-immigrant agitators around because of it.[Edited on March 26, 2006 at 1:32 PM. Reason : 2]
3/26/2006 1:32:15 PM
3/26/2006 1:34:30 PM
^^Nah, whites still have the market cornered on that.[Edited on March 26, 2006 at 1:35 PM. Reason : .]
3/26/2006 1:35:19 PM
^^^did you read the week long article in the n&o about immigration? this area would not be where it is without immigrant work[Edited on March 26, 2006 at 1:38 PM. Reason : arrows]
3/26/2006 1:36:38 PM
Employers would just have to pay higher wages to lazier workers, if the immigrants left. It wouldn't shut down the economy, but increased labor costs would put upward pressure on consumer prices and the like. The idea that our economy could not function without cheap immigrant labor is laughable.
3/26/2006 1:45:19 PM
^ What exactly do you mean by "putting a strain on the economy"?I'm not trying to be contrary, i just don't know what you mean by that.
3/26/2006 1:57:58 PM
As for the claim that immigrants cost more, its just plain wrong. over the long term immigrants pay more in taxes than they "cost". and if they are illegal what is the government paying for? healthcare? yeah right.Our economy is already screwed thanks to Reaganomics, so this is all pretty much a moot conversation. Would you care to explain how our economy would be fine without immigrants and collapse with increased immigration? We can start pulling out the actual economics on this one if you want. It would be fun. (more fun than doing my actual hmwk)
3/26/2006 2:17:20 PM
I'm saying if you have a massive, sudden influx of people into the economy, it will fuck it up.I'm not an economist, AND I'm in support of allowing more immigration into america. But you have to realize that if like 50 million people came to America over the course of a few years, things would get messed up.
3/26/2006 2:18:38 PM
THEY NEED TO KEEP THEM DAMN FORINERS OUT OF MY COUNTRY BECAUSE THE TAKE OUR JOBS.
3/26/2006 2:20:30 PM
Ill give you the sudden influx of 20% of our current population.But that isnt going to happen. The fact is that to come to America is not easy. Those that come to work in southern Texas and live right across the border commute just like people commute from Jersey to New York City. But if you live in South America or Lower Mexico then coming to the US is a journey. And living here for more than a few days takes an initial amount of money. Changing our laws to allow them to be recognized and be real people would actually help us and help our economy. Which would you rather, immigrants getting 4 dollars an hour and not having health insurance OR getting 6 dollars an hour and paying FICA?
3/26/2006 2:31:14 PM
I'm not arguing against increasing legal immigration.You can tell that because I said so.
3/26/2006 2:41:11 PM
Im not trying argue with you. I was trying to question Prawn Star.But the real issue here(the one in front of congress) isnt legal vs illegal immigration, its the legalizing of the status of those who are currently illegal.
3/26/2006 2:46:10 PM
3/26/2006 3:45:10 PM
^agree. People are just looking at this from an economic stand point. What about social? What social benefits does this have for this country?
3/26/2006 4:43:41 PM
I think illegal immigration is american. Throughout history illegal immigration has been America's major motto. The land of opportunity, right? Think about it, the only American's that aren't immigrants are native americans... and we don't even consider them americans (reservations). It's all hypocritical bullshit if you ask me.
3/26/2006 4:58:45 PM
^ its no longer the 1500's bud. You might wear a buckel on your hat but i sure as hell dont.
3/26/2006 5:00:48 PM
Thank you for your amazing feedback.
3/26/2006 5:04:36 PM
3/26/2006 5:07:28 PM
my favorite people are the conservatives who oppose immigration, minimum wage, unions, and labor regulations in general.WHO THE HELL IS GONNA PICK YOUR COTTON THEN, BOSSMAN???
3/26/2006 5:07:38 PM
slaves
3/26/2006 5:14:04 PM
A sudden influx of massive legal immigration is nothing to be affraid as long as the government is willing to act accordingly:#1 increase police and fire protection services ahead of time to protect private property and stringently enforce evictions #2 dramatically losen non-safety related housing restrictions such as rent-control, occupancy limits, remodelling and expansion limits, zoning board restrictions, etc#3 losen non-safety related labor regulations such as minimum wage laws, closed-shop union requirements, etc#4 eliminate business licensing requirements, replace them with blanket safety-regulations enforced with steep-finesIf the above steps are taken early and reliably, there is no reason to believe the economic system will not efficiently place all of the new immigrants. Once the new immigrants arrive, they are going to need to set up large numbers of businesses, production is going to need to dramatically increase to feed/clothe/and house the new-comers. As the new-comers will most likely be poorly educated, their low productivity rate is going to provide ample employment, as long as no rigid blockages develop. This process is noither unusual nor unprecedented. Many Chinese coastal cities managed to quadruple in population in under a decade. When this occurs, what usually fails first is the government's licensing agencies (which become inundaded and quickly overwealmed). Of course, this process quickly becomes a nightmare if the immigrants are illegals, which engender illegality in both the labor and product markets. Of course, I didn't mention such programs such as unemployment insurance and welfare, which are good programs to cut regardless of the state of the nations immigration programs as they engender perverse incentives in both the labor and product markets.
3/26/2006 6:04:34 PM
3/26/2006 6:17:06 PM
TWW is extremely in touch with reality.Pop Quiz: What happened last time when a government barred a minority that filled in a major industry from partaking in that industry?
3/26/2006 6:18:33 PM
^so what's your take??? im curioussince you can issue pop quizesand we are extremely "in touch" with reality[Edited on March 26, 2006 at 6:26 PM. Reason : x]
3/26/2006 6:23:33 PM
3/26/2006 6:51:10 PM
3/26/2006 7:05:44 PM
These protests could have turned into huge illegal immigration captures.
3/26/2006 7:37:46 PM
^^^okay, you diddn't answer the question. I said what does it do for the country(socially)? We all know, or I assume know, that it helps the immigrants.isolation does not do much for a country/community, which is also a common trend amongst immigrants. Consider social welfare systems.[Edited on March 26, 2006 at 7:44 PM. Reason : x]
3/26/2006 7:40:28 PM
i find it comical that a comparison is drawn with China in LoneSnark's postand i doubt theres many american workers that would take to immigrat-dominated jobs w/o minimum wage laws in place. no american is going to pick tomatos for $3/hr.[Edited on March 26, 2006 at 7:57 PM. Reason : .]
3/26/2006 7:56:03 PM
shit my mom made me do that and i didnt get shit
3/26/2006 8:36:56 PM
This thread went downhill fast.You ask what are the social costs and benefits, then spout some "economics" that would get you slapped by anyone who had ever spent 20 minutes in an econ class.Ill give you some social costs and benefits. Racism will increase before the immigration because people are idiots. Benefits would be that a greater exposure to more cultures makes one smarter. They have done tests with kids mental abilities, and those exposed to multiple languages at young ages develop faster, meaning that if we are forced because of immigration to teach white kids spanish that those same white kids will actually be smarter.In conclusion, conservatives who believe that immigrants are criminals and nothing else should take a good hard look at their own ancestry.
3/26/2006 8:43:56 PM
thats bullshit and you know it.
3/26/2006 8:46:01 PM
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3/26/2006 9:33:20 PM