http://www.statefansnation.com/index.php/archives/2006/03/14/tudor-turns-up-the-heat/

3/14/2006 9:39:18 AM

i didn't read that. way too long and I hate Caulton Tudor


but I did have a dream last night that Sendek involuntarily resigned after the tourney

and the dream followed with our record getting worse and worse over the next few years and then seeing the vocal minority getting fed up with the new coach and begging to buy out his contract

my dreams are rarely this vivid

3/14/2006 9:56:03 AM

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"Caulton Tudor, Staff Writer The Herb Sendek situation is simple. If N.C. State is satisfied with the basketball program's results and still has confidence in the coach's ability to make improvements, school chancellor James Oblinger should say so. If not, State needs to settle up financially and bring in a new men's basketball coach pronto. That Sendek, after 10 seasons, has lost a lot of the fan base is certain. Those critics are advancing the theory that Sendek is down to his last bullet, the suggestion being that he'll resign and find another job if the Wolfpack is a quick out in the NCAA Tournament. That is a badly flawed assumption on any number of fronts. * Sendek banks almost a million dollars annually at State. People don't walk away from that sort of money. * The job market isn't exactly flooded with attractive openings. Most of the help-wanted signs are at Crisis College. Does anyone seriously think Missouri and Cincinnati aren't in for three or so years of bumps and burns? Who wants to follow John Chaney at Temple? The people who accept those jobs are begging for bed-bug bites. * Herb's stubborn. He reminds some folks of a physics professor, but looks can deceive. The man has the mental toughness of a snake handler. He is not going to book simply because there's some cussing going on in the audience. If anything, this ordeal may make him more determined than ever to stay and persevere. * Duke soon will lose J.J. Redick, Shelden Williams, Sean Dockery and Lee Melchionni. On paper, there's an opportunity for Sendek to take a little turf in the 'hood. He has spent the better part of a decade waiting for such a chance. Sendek, no doubt, is frustrated. He's probably chair-throwing mad at a big chunk of the fans and fully perplexed by his team's late-season slump and loss of confidence. But frustration does not directly relate to resignation. It certainly doesn't where highly motivated athletic coaches are concerned. So if State wants out of this union, the school must take the initiative. Oblinger is going to have to pull a Marye Anne Fox. He must drive over to Sendek's house and deliver the same short speech Fox once dropped on football coach Mike O'Cain: "Luv ya. See ya." There would be repercussions, of course, starting with an expensive buyout. And, sure, firing Sendek might scare off a couple of potential targets. But let's face it: The big guns aren't going to chase State in the first place. The most successful coaches like to pick their places, and a fox hole with Mike Krzyzewski on one side and Roy Williams on the other just isn't a great place to pick. It's not that State is a bad job. The legacy is imposing, and the biggest victories are among the most memorable in the history of the sport. But whether it's Sendek, Matt Doherty or Superman, finishing third in the Triangle in basketball is not a happy lifestyle. As much as Texas' Rick Barnes loves State and remains in awe of that '74 NCAA title team, he would be a long shot to take the State job now. He makes plenty of money in Austin. It's a great place to work, and there's no Duke or Carolina within shouting distance. But could State find a better fit than Sendek? Ab-so-blasted-lutely. A coach with more charisma and a better sales pitch to hot recruits would be more popular. Short term. Even if that coach just came out and said eating a fishing worm would be preferable to losing to Carolina, the State fans would be delirious -- at first. But long term, the overriding challenge doesn't change. If the next coach, whenever the time comes, can't beat Duke and UNC, the heat will be turned right back up. That doesn't mean State should surrender and settle for third. It definitely should not. The goal should be to have the best program in the country, meaning the best on the block. That's why there needs to be decisive action and fast. After 10 seasons, the school has to know whether Sendek is right or wrong. Columnist Caulton Tudor can be reached at 829-8946 or ctudor@newsobserver.com."

3/14/2006 10:01:31 AM

Here's the article. Your link is to a blog on the article

http://www.newsobserver.com/122/story/417962.html

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"But long term, the overriding challenge doesn't change. If the next coach, whenever the time comes, can't beat Duke and UNC, the heat will be turned right back up. That doesn't mean State should surrender and settle for third. It definitely should not. The goal should be to have the best program in the country, meaning the best on the block. "

Holy shit. I agree with Tudor, for once

3/14/2006 10:01:39 AM

Let's at least wait until Friday (around 9pm) or Sunday to make a rash decision.

Tudor again sidesteps the question: Who the fuck would want to come here?

3/14/2006 10:06:01 AM

^who the fuck would go to UCLA after they fired a coach that went to 5 sweet 16's in 6 years

^who the fuck will go to IU after firing a coach who MADE THE TOURNAMENT this year, and went to a Final Four 3 years ago

^who the fuck would coach Tenn. after firing a coach that won 20 games a year for 4 straight years

3/14/2006 10:09:13 AM

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"^who the fuck would go to UCLA after they fired a coach that went to 5 sweet 16's in 6 years ^who the fuck will go to IU after firing a coach who MADE THE TOURNAMENT this year, and went to a Final Four 3 years ago ^who the fuck would coach Tenn. after firing a coach that won 20 games a year for 4 straight years"

Name a coach who would come here.
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Herb needs to hold a press conference Wednesday night in the RBC Center.

Go Bobby Knight on everyone and tell each and every person who shows up that they can: KISS HIS ASS


This would accomplish two things for Herb:
1. State fans might actually shut the fuck up and let him coach.
2. When he decides to resign several schools will be waiting in line for him.

3/14/2006 10:13:32 AM

and not only is Sendek getting called out by the media, now the Chancellor is getting dragged in

"put up or shut up" type thing from Tudor. really backs the Chancellor into a corner

gg, Caulton



i really hope we get a new coach and we have .500 seasons for the next 5 years

3/14/2006 10:13:54 AM

Just so you can say you're right?

I fucking hate that attitude in a lot of our fans.

"I hope we lose so I can be right"

fuck that.

3/14/2006 10:16:33 AM

ok fine, I hope we are one game over .500 for the next few years

they won't be losing seasons, but they'll definitely a step down from what Herb brought us

then these young bucks can realize what it's like to play in an NIT game

3/14/2006 10:18:28 AM

fuck Tudor

3/14/2006 10:18:37 AM

I'm not a Herb fan, but I'm afraid that getting rid of Herb would be similar to Nebraska firing Frank Solich because he was "only" 9-3 in football. How has that worked out for them since then? It took them about 3 months to get Bill Callahan to come in (because everybody else turned them down), and they're in a downswing right now. Admittedly, part of that is because they're bringing in an entirely new offense, so it'll really take a few years to see the final result.

That being said, Tudor is right in that our goal needs to be to have the best program in the country. I think Herb has done a FANTASTIC job in the progress our program has made in the last 10 years since the Les Robinson days. But I don't think Herb is the guy who can get us a national championship. He's "fixed" the program, but he's not going to get us any farther.

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 10:32 AM. Reason : Frank Solich, not Tom Osbourne. My bad. =)]

3/14/2006 10:25:04 AM

You mean Solich. And I agree... 4th choice Callahan...

Someone will bring up Zook and Florida but please show me who the Urban Meyer is this year in college bball?

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 10:26 AM. Reason : f]

3/14/2006 10:25:50 AM

^^ and what do the moronic fans do to thank Herb for turning around the program? they talk shit to him whenver possible, boo him at games and force him to leave Raleigh


great job, guys

hope you're proud of yourselves

3/14/2006 10:32:55 AM

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"i really hope we get a new coach and we have .500 seasons for the next 5 years"

you're just as bad as BoobsR_gr8. hypocrisy at its finest.

3/14/2006 10:33:25 AM

Suspend BoobsR_gr8

3/14/2006 10:34:38 AM

^^ i just want to see the assholes pucker up and realize that they drove a great coach out of Raleigh

3/14/2006 10:36:11 AM

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" To be clear, no NC State coach in history has ever failed as miserably against Duke and Carolina as Herb Sendek…and he got TEN YEARS OF OPPORTUNITY. Jesus."

to be fair ... Duke of the 70's and 80's isnt Duke of '88+




and on the article

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"* Duke soon will lose J.J. Redick, Shelden Williams, Sean Dockery and Lee Melchionni. On paper, there's an opportunity for Sendek to take a little turf in the 'hood. He has spent the better part of a decade waiting for such a chance."

and carolina lost 7 and that didnt get us very far :x

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 10:46 AM. Reason : .]

3/14/2006 10:43:00 AM

Herb is 5-17 I believe vs UNC.

Care to guess what Valvano was? 6-18

3/14/2006 10:45:38 AM

4 of Herb's wins came from the worst teams UNC has fielded in decades (Matt Doherty).

Valvano did it in UNC's prime vs. Dean


Bad analogy

3/14/2006 10:47:17 AM

I'm not using it as an analogy. I'm presenting factual numbers. How you use them is up to you..

Sloan was 13-26..

3/14/2006 10:49:18 AM

gotta love accurate and responsible commentary :x I <3 the interweb

3/14/2006 10:49:37 AM

And Sloan and Valvano both won a national championship and multiple ACC titles in their first 10 years

3/14/2006 10:50:25 AM

and Case won ACC titles because the tournament was held at Reynolds

3/14/2006 10:52:15 AM

and monkeys might fly out of my butt

3/14/2006 10:57:57 AM

^now THAT'S talent! You should be a coach!!?!?

3/14/2006 10:58:30 AM

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"and Case won ACC titles because the tournament was held at Reynolds"

Yes, considering every ACC Championship he won except for one (1954) we also won the regular season.

3/14/2006 11:05:36 AM

Regular-season titles don't mean shit [/spittoon]

3/14/2006 11:20:37 AM

^Remember when UNC cut down their nets for a regular season "championship"???

HAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

3/14/2006 11:21:53 AM

Tudor is spot-on. If State fans and the administration are ok with settling for Sendek, then they will settle for being third place.

I think most fans are tired of settling. This isn't comparable to Solich's situation. Solich won a conference title in his six year stint at Nebraska, played in two BCS games (winning one of them), and played in a National Title game. He also had winning record against rival Colorado (4-2) and broke even with rival Oklahoma (1-1).

Herb, in ten years, has come no where close to matching those similar accomplishments in basketball.

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 12:54 PM. Reason : .]

3/14/2006 12:53:57 PM

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"fuck Tudor"

3/14/2006 12:57:26 PM

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""put up or shut up" type thing from Tudor. really backs the Chancellor into a corner"

In short, no it doesn't.

3/14/2006 12:59:51 PM

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"Herb needs to hold a press conference Wednesday night in the RBC Center. Go Bobby Knight on everyone and tell each and every person who shows up that they can: KISS HIS ASS "

I couldnt agree more. If that bitch showed a little more emotion maybe his team would too and maybe the fans wouldnt hate him so much.

3/14/2006 2:11:55 PM

so we revert back to the number one complaint against him being lack of emotion?

in that case lets hire pete gillen

3/14/2006 2:13:34 PM

^you jackass, you know thats not my number one complaint for him, but that would certianly help.

3/14/2006 2:21:17 PM

if him holding a PC and going apeshit on the fans would get you back in his corner, how could that possibly not be your number one complaint?

3/14/2006 2:22:36 PM

herb has shown an increase in emotion over the past couple years that ive noticed.

i mean he got a T this year...ive never seen him get a T before.

i mean assuming his staff isnt wiping up sweat

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 2:24 PM. Reason : i mean i mean i mean i mean]

3/14/2006 2:23:59 PM

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"so we revert back to the number one complaint against him being lack of emotion?"

that is not the number one complaint. The number one complaint is that he can't be carolina.

3/14/2006 2:25:13 PM

^^^You know what I'm saying...you've read what I've posted over the last couple of days, and Herb's lack of emotion is NOT my number one complaint. I just agreed with the post I quoted.

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 2:28 PM. Reason : ]

3/14/2006 2:28:11 PM

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"^who the fuck would go to UCLA after they fired a coach that went to 5 sweet 16's in 6 years ^who the fuck will go to IU after firing a coach who MADE THE TOURNAMENT this year, and went to a Final Four 3 years ago"

Why would anyone want to coach the (arguably) 2 most storied programs in college basketball?

No one can touch UCLA in that category. And Mike Davis fired himself acting like a moron.

3/14/2006 2:31:58 PM

The alumni hated Davis at IU. They're a bit like Carolina alums were when Doherty was there. Didn't want him to start with and so every loss proved they were right. They think the same thing too as Carolina, that if they bring in a coaching legacy that "was passed from Bob Knight to Steve Alford" that it'll make the team magically better, even though Alford's nowhere near a Roy Williams.

3/14/2006 3:15:33 PM

I would take Mike Davis - but he's just a black Herb

3/14/2006 3:20:13 PM

3/14/2006 4:12:47 PM

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" chancellor James Oblinger should say so."

he has said on numerous occasions that he is great friends with Herb, loves how Herb makes our team look as a coach not being controversial(after all thats a problem NCSU has had in teh past) and that he is sticking to Herb.

I myself have heard these words come out of the mouth of James as I ate with him...Herb is here to stay.

3/14/2006 4:20:21 PM

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"^who the fuck would coach Tenn. after firing a coach that won 20 games a year for 4 straight years"

4 straight years of 20 wins? Which Tennessee are you talking about? Surely not the one Buzz Peterson tried to coach.

2001-02 Tennessee 15-16 .483
2002-03 Tennessee 17-12 .586 NIT
2003-04 Tennessee 15-14 .517 NIT
2004-05 Tennessee 14-17 .451

My God some of you people are the biggest dumbasses. The most they won was 17 and yet you say they won 20 each year.

3/14/2006 4:33:45 PM

^Someone just got PWNT. HARD.

3/14/2006 4:35:56 PM

^ Actually packboozie just made an ass out of himself.

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"My God some of you people are the biggest dumbasses. The most they won was 17 and yet you say they won 20 each year."

What you meant to say was "I'm gonna try really hard to make someone look stupid. But in the end I'm going to look like an idiot and embarrass myself for not being able to remember more than four years into the past."

Why don't you go ahead and check Tennessee's record in '00-'01.

After that you can get back to us with their record the seasons prior to that.

Then you can apologize to J8ke.

3/14/2006 4:56:45 PM

UMMM OK SMART ASS RALLY.

Who was coaching at Tennessee in the 2000-01 season???? Was it Buzz Peterson? No it was Jerry Green who SHOULD NOT have been fired.

And he said 20 wins the LAST 4 YEARS not 5. So fuck off.

3/14/2006 5:14:47 PM

What the fuck are you talking about?

You're damn right he said 4 years.

'98, '99, '00, '01


Where in gods name did he say anything about Buzz Peterson? You are the one who brought his name up.


Don't deflect your anger on me just b/c you made an ass out of yourself trying to show someone up.

3/14/2006 5:31:24 PM

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"^who the fuck would coach Tenn. after firing a coach that won 20 games a year for 4 straight years"

THAT MEANS THE LAST 4 YEARS ASSHOLE. But I really could not care what you think.

EDIT: Jerry Green SHOULD NOT have been fired. Im not arguing that. Im arguing if he means Peterson then he is a dumbass. Jerry Green was 89-36 at Tennessee. I hate how you think you know everything about sports.

/rant.

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 5:40 PM. Reason : EDIT]

3/14/2006 5:37:12 PM