I'm trying to find recent statistics regarding average salaries for NCSU graduates (or any college for that matter). I'm currently in the process of working out a job offer and really need this info asap.

If anyone knows what the average salary for a NCSU graduate in computer science, please post it or PM me. If you can find a site that has these salaries posted, that'd be great, too. Thanks in advance.

3/7/2006 8:53:08 PM

i'm going to pretend you just suck at browsing websites and give you a hint

http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=340916
psst - page 4

3/7/2006 8:57:04 PM

i was on page 2 when i posted this thread

3/7/2006 9:10:33 PM

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"Major : CSC"

Why don't you try talking to one of your two advisors? They'll be there 9am in the morning.

3/7/2006 9:10:54 PM

good call - i figured they would not be available during spring break.

3/7/2006 9:12:28 PM

^^dept. of redundancy dept.

3/7/2006 9:32:57 PM

I dont know, it's a valid worry.

I got told the other day by several ppl in the industry (comp sci BS this may, MCS next may) that i should expect more like lower 30s. *was hoping upper 40s with the MCS*

3/7/2006 9:39:25 PM

Hypothetical situation:

employer offers $60k

what, in your opinion, is a reasonable counter offer? 70k=too high? 65k=just right?

i reckon the company would likely counter w/ something in between the original and the first counter.

anyone with experience haggling over offers please chime in.

3/7/2006 9:45:07 PM

tell them you'll be happy with 50k

3/7/2006 9:56:10 PM

next?

3/7/2006 10:05:32 PM

Assuming you are a new graduate with little experience, most companies don't negotiate. If you want the job, take it. You'll have plenty of opportunity for raises later.

3/7/2006 10:11:56 PM

^ I dont have experience with "haggling" but damn, whats wrong with $60K starting?

3/7/2006 10:14:40 PM

EE-61,250

zip code 29673.....that plays a huge role,

I had 6 years electrician experience when I took the job (which is considered not a starting pay for the area)....but I avg. 55 hours a week

avg. for ee around Raleigh is usually 50-54.....

3/7/2006 10:21:14 PM

I am a new graduate, but I have several years of professional experience.

After speaking with HR, it's clear to me that the salary is negotiable.

edit: this job is in charlotte, fwiw

LadyWolff: nothing wrong with the salary offered; i simply want to make the most i can starting out.


[Edited on March 7, 2006 at 10:24 PM. Reason : ;]

3/7/2006 10:21:28 PM

The advisors are not going to have average salaries for experienced NC state alums -- they only have starting salaries. They will refer you to surveys by other people (aka salary.com).

Starting salaries will be lower that what you are getting. For someone with experience, you are playing dumb.

[Edited on March 7, 2006 at 10:32 PM. Reason : 4564]

3/7/2006 10:31:51 PM

My offered salary is greater than average, and I'm fine with that.

However, I'm still looking for people to chime in about their salary negotiations. I never negotiated with my past jobs because it was through internships and co-ops ($/hour or $/job).

I'm curious as to what % of salary people tend to add to the original offer in their counter offer.

3/7/2006 10:38:14 PM

bowesknows is lying!!!

3/7/2006 10:41:03 PM

wtf?

3/7/2006 10:43:28 PM

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"I am a new graduate, but I have several years of professional experience. "

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"my past jobs because it was through internships and co-ops"

I'm confused, so you have professional experience, internships and coops? Or just internships/coops, or what? Is the experience in the same field that you are applying for a job? How many hours are they expecting you to work a week on average?

3/7/2006 11:46:57 PM

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"I'm confused,"

My apologies for not clarifying.

I guess I don't have any "professional experience", but I have over three years of experience with various internships and co-ops.

This job will involve some variant of software engineering (development, testing, support, requirements, etc), and it directly applies to my intern/co-op experience. The reason I say variant is because this job involves a two year rotation program where I'll experience development, testing, and support.

3/8/2006 12:19:15 AM

you can respectfully request up to 10% more than their offer i believe.

worst they can say is no, they're not going to revoke your offer or anything.

3/8/2006 12:25:45 AM

oh, bah. If you are entry level, they probably aren't going to deal much. It doesn't hurt to ask, though.

3/8/2006 1:04:56 AM

Professional experience and assload of coop experiene are two different things . Unless the job is a DIRECT transition from the coop stages ... not much room to haggle here. Look at the starting salaries and bump it by a couple grand ... I think it falls under the "commensurate with experience" thing.

And with your hypothetical situation ... usually the employer will ask what you are looking to make and why BEFORE throwing out a number of their own. I always told them the absolute minimum I had to make to work there ... and usually got a higher offer in return given experience/skills/blah blah blah. You do what you want with that one.

3/8/2006 7:22:10 AM

Average salaries of selected majors:

But the info is a couple years old and it doesn't take into account the variance for location
http://www.jobweb.com/SalaryInfo/starting_salary_5yr.htm


Negotiating salary:
http://infohost.nmt.edu/~shipman/org/noel.html

Evaluating offers:
http://www.jobweb.com/Resources/Library/Salary_and_Benefits/Evaluating_Job_75_01.htm

[Edited on March 8, 2006 at 7:49 AM. Reason : ]

3/8/2006 7:44:50 AM

THEY REALLY SHOULD TEACH YOU ALL SOMETHING ABOUT THIS

[b]***HAVE YOU ASKED IF SALARY IS NEGOTIABLE? THAT MAY NOT EVEN BE THE PART OF THE OFFER THAT YOU CAN WORK ON - YOU MIGHT HAVE TO GO AFTER VACATION OR JOB TITLE***[b]

YOU DONT NEED A SPECIFIC NUMBER IF YOU CAN ASK FOR A PAY BUMP. YOUR JOB IS ASSIGNED A GRADE AND FALLS WITHIN A PAY BAND IF THIS IS A COMPANY WITH MORE THAN 6 PEOPLE THAT KNOW WHAT THEYRE DOING - TELL THEM YOU WANT THE MAX IN THAT PAY BAND

IF THEY SAY NO, THEN COUNTER WITH A SALARY REVIEW AFTER 6 MONTHS TO GET THINGS ROLLING FOR YOUR 12 MONTH REVIEW, AFTER TWO RAISES WITH PROVEN PERFORMANCE YOULL BE BETTER OFF THAN WHAT YOU MIGHT GET WITH A PRE-HIRE INCREASE

HOW LONG DID YOU TELL THEM YOU WOULD CONSIDER THE OFFER BEFORE GIVING THEM A FINAL ANSWER WHEN YOU GOT IT?

3/8/2006 7:55:13 AM

If negotiating salary, I always recommend starting with the phrase. "Can you give me a little background on how you arrived at the figure of $___ "?

This is quite a delicate issue, and you have to tread lightly. Starting with asking them for more info allows you some insight on why their may not be room to negotiate (such as the current salaries of existing employees... they don't want to pay new employees more than current workers).

Check out the links for salary info & managing job offers on my site. I have some direct links to great information from the National Association of Colleges & Employers.
http://www4.ncsu.edu/~lcrandpi/index.htm

[Edited on March 8, 2006 at 9:53 AM. Reason : grammar]

3/8/2006 9:52:52 AM

if you got offered $60k w/ just a CSC id jump on it. id laugh my ass off if you try some slick negotiation and they say "nevermind".

know the averages for your experience/education/area and if the offer is reasonable take it or dont.

3/8/2006 10:01:53 AM

when i graduated, i had two offers that i seriously considered. both ended up raising their offers once i showed a sign of going with the other company.

i ended up taking a 10% signing bonus.

Quote :

"If negotiating salary, I always recommend starting with the phrase. "Can you give me a little background on how you arrived at the figure of $___ "?"

good way to know how much leeway you have to negotiate.



[Edited on March 8, 2006 at 10:07 AM. Reason : 2 of my other friends also negotiated signing bonuses when they couldn't negotiate a higher salary]

3/8/2006 10:05:45 AM

honestly your co-ops and internships are probably the only thing that got you to "above average". you are entry level, regardless of some months of work. *most* companies do not negotiate entry level positions. my husband negotiated his but he has a phd. a little different. you are better off waiting to negotiate raises after you've been there a bit.

[Edited on March 8, 2006 at 10:30 AM. Reason : and yes, you could possibly negotiate signing bonuses or moving arrangements]

3/8/2006 10:30:00 AM

Lots of good info here - thank you!

I'll be discussing my offer in greater detail tommorow, and will report back with the outcome of my negotiation.

3/8/2006 6:33:40 PM

btttttttt

3/9/2006 11:28:22 PM

dakota_man says it's around $50,000

3/9/2006 11:34:34 PM

Quote :

"IF THIS IS A COMPANY WITH MORE THAN 6 PEOPLE THAT KNOW WHAT THEYRE DOING - TELL THEM YOU WANT THE MAX IN THAT PAY BAND"

It's all circumstancial ... there isn't a magic formula. My current pay band has the high end making twice what the low end makes ... good luck asking for the high end as entry level. I seriously doubt anybody at my company in this band makes the maximum...

3/9/2006 11:40:50 PM

I was offered the exact same amount at two places. I believe they use a formula.
John Stossell says women don't get as many raises as men because they just don't ask as often.

I didn't ask because I really liked the place and they offered me more than I was hoping for anyway.

4/6/2006 10:54:06 PM

Well, my usual (full-time) barista at Starbucks says he has an engineering degree from State...

I'm totally serious, too. Don't know why he's working there.

[Edited on April 7, 2006 at 12:36 AM. Reason : ]

4/7/2006 12:36:15 AM

The CSC website has a quote circa July 2005 from the National Association of Colleges and Employers saying average pay for new CSCs is $50,800.

4/7/2006 1:30:57 AM

English Education, yo

$29k pimpin

4/7/2006 1:37:01 AM

Quote :

"Hypothetical situation: employer offers $60k what, in your opinion, is a reasonable counter offer? "

you dont even think about counter offering, until you get some fucking experience and skills. youre entry level. theyre gonna offer you a fair salary to start that is in accordance with regional wages for an entry level CSC major.

Hiring Manager: "We're prepared to offer you $50K plus full benefits."

NCSU Fuckwit: "I was hoping to get $60K"

Hiring Manager: "I see. As an entry-level programmer why do you think you should get $60K?"

NCSU Fuckwit: "Ummm. I dunno?"

4/8/2006 2:31:47 AM

I did co-ops and got offered in the 60+ range.. I said OMFG THNX.

I didn't try to negotiate.

But I know that for this company it would not have done much. My hiring manager mentioned that offers to university hires are made using a "formula" based on the job itself, your previous academic/work performance, the university you went to, and work location. She wouldn't be able to pick a number though she could influence it up or down.. but ultimately it is was a number generated by HR.

4/8/2006 6:15:09 PM

Does this include PR like the Geology Dept. (I think) at UNC included Michael Jordan?

4/8/2006 8:24:36 PM