Is it just me, or are the Mets turning into the typical New York "Buy a Championship" team....or at least they are attempting to do that.

12/6/2005 12:06:18 PM

Since no New York team has successfully "bought a championship"...

12/6/2005 12:07:27 PM

people are gonna get mad at you for not putting this in hot stove rumors
just warning you n00b

12/6/2005 12:07:34 PM

yankees

12/6/2005 12:07:57 PM

The Yankees have not done that.

Go look at the rosters from 1996-2000 and tell me who they "bought."

More: The Yankees started spending big money on free agents in 2001, and it has not yielded any World Series titles, which is why Cashman put his foot down this offseason and said he wouldn't make moves for the sake of making moves.

[Edited on December 6, 2005 at 12:12 PM. Reason : ]

12/6/2005 12:10:59 PM

Suspiciously the Mets payroll hasn't increased at all from last year and likely won't (Manny won't be traded here I don't think and I hope he won't be). It won't be higher then 105M although the budget allows for 125M with the new Network..

Stunningly they still have Wright, Reyes, Diaz, Heilman, and Seo who all will have large roles who came from their farm system.

[Edited on December 6, 2005 at 12:15 PM. Reason : f]

12/6/2005 12:14:34 PM

I would agree that the yankees haven't had a "bought a championship" mentality lately, but they've definitely had a "buy" mentality when it comes to pitching.

12/6/2005 12:14:55 PM

But it's blatantly obvious that hasn't worked. They haven't won a title since they had homegrown talent leading the way.

What I'm trying to say is the "buy a championship" mentality is crap. People complain about the Yankees doing it cuz they have nothing else to do. That mentality hasn't won anyone anything.

[Edited on December 6, 2005 at 12:17 PM. Reason : more]

12/6/2005 12:16:20 PM

and the Nats still don't have an owner.

12/6/2005 12:17:20 PM

the yankees began trying to buy a championship AFTER the 2000 world series, when the team backed into the playoffs. they brought in mike mussina. then in 2002, jason giambi. then in 2003 matsui and contreras. then in 2004, a-rod. then in 2005 Big Unit, Pavano, Wright.

what do those years have in common? No championships.

12/6/2005 12:19:47 PM

^ that's what I've been saying.

It doesn't work. And I'm glad they haven't overpaid for anyone this year.

12/6/2005 12:22:39 PM

^^you forgot sheffield

12/6/2005 12:24:33 PM

I think it's pretty significant, though, that the Yankees have been in every post-season for the last 10 years. Just getting to the playoffs is a pretty big deal, in my opinion.

12/6/2005 12:32:48 PM

Oh I agree. It is significant. But it's been proven you don't need to get free agents to do it.

12/6/2005 12:35:48 PM

This thread sucks on multiple levels.

- Poorly titled given the subject (its about the Mets specifically)
- We already have a thread on moves in the offseason
- The "buying of a championship team" is dramatically embelished, nothing crazy has been done
- The Mets are buying viewers for their TV station, not a championship specifically
- A number of the Yankee moves were done not to actively "buy" the poastseason success but done to prevent someone else in direct competition from doing so
- The Mets fucking suck

12/6/2005 1:03:09 PM

Well I wholeheartedly disagree with your last point I think it's worth point out that, like you said, the Mets aren't 'buying a championship'

If they were simply buying talent then they wouldn't have made an obvious salary dump with the Cameron-Nady deal.

They are still working with a confined budget even though they can't be penalized this year under the Luxury Tax exemption..

12/6/2005 1:12:05 PM

Gotta love the A's and their post-season moves. They're still my team though.

12/6/2005 1:17:13 PM

A's are on the verge of aquiring milton bradley. this would clear Mark kotsay for a trade

12/6/2005 1:23:06 PM

I'm not agreeing with the Yankees bought championships in their dynasty idea, but they used "homegrown talent" to win? I think not - Tino Martinez (already an all star with Seattle before), Paul O'Neil (already an all star with Cinci), Scott Brosius (first half of career was with Oakland) were all guys who played a major role in this dynasty but weren't homegrown talent. I think a better word choice was they had "team players" instead of "superstars."

12/6/2005 1:48:48 PM

The core of the team was homegrown.

Jeter, Posada, Pettitte, Rivera, Williams -- the heart and soul of the team.

That's what I meant. I mean c'mon. No team wins a championships these days without ANY free agents.

12/6/2005 1:51:59 PM

Posada - home grown
Pettite - home grown
mariano rivera - home grown
shane spencer - home grown
ricky ledee - home grown
bernie williams - home grown
Jeter - home grown
ramiro mendoza - home grown
Homer Bush - Home Grown

Darryl Strawberry/Dwight Gooden - picked off the scrapheap
Cone, Brosius, O'niell - traded home grown players for

12/6/2005 1:53:24 PM

Quote :

"shane spencer - home grown ricky ledee - home grown Homer Bush - Home Grown"

Ricky Ledee and Shane Spencer, are you serious? They won the Yankees some championships? Neither one of them had over 90 games played before 2000
Homer Bush - one season of actual production, and he's on the same list as Jeter and Rivera?

ATTENTION: They still have Posada, Rivera, Jeter, Bernie - The key in winning championships was not "homegrown talent" like you say, it was team players through free agency instead of the superstars they get now

[Edited on December 6, 2005 at 2:03 PM. Reason : .]

12/6/2005 2:02:01 PM

Quote :

"traded home grown players for"

what is that supposed to prove

12/6/2005 2:29:37 PM

they didnt "buy" them...which implies overpaying everyone for a free agent.

12/6/2005 2:35:15 PM

^^^ OK, I think we're both right.

Obviously you're right about getting team players instead of superstars, but I mean, in my opinion those Yankee teams don't win without those homegrown guys.

^^ Yeah, I mean, I can see what he's saying. Having them to trade is good, too. The lack of farm-system prospects has certainly been a problem these last couple years.

[Edited on December 6, 2005 at 2:36 PM. Reason : ]

12/6/2005 2:35:56 PM

^^^^Ricky Ledee hit .600 in the 1998 world series.

Shane spencer won 2 series for them....the Rangers and Indians in 1998.

[Edited on December 6, 2005 at 2:36 PM. Reason : dfgdfg]

12/6/2005 2:36:03 PM

4 hits in a sweep of the Padres is amazing, good thing they had that guy

where did Spencer win the Indians series?

give this argument up dude.. they still have the same home grown players that actually mattered and they're not winning championships.. it was the team players they got - thanks for the acknowledgement Thecycle23, I see what you're saying too

12/6/2005 2:44:52 PM