does penn st. deserve to play for the national championship?

11/29/2005 3:39:53 PM

no.

11/29/2005 3:40:40 PM

Let them both lose and have penn st. and LSU play for it.

11/29/2005 3:41:56 PM

LSU lost to UTenn.

let Tenn. play for it.

11/29/2005 3:42:41 PM

fuck yeah, against Syracuse no less

11/29/2005 3:43:04 PM

Let UNC play for it so they can be better than us.

11/29/2005 3:43:59 PM

hey i've got a wacky idea

how about they play an 8 team tournament

heaven forbid they decide the champion on the field

11/29/2005 3:44:01 PM

NC State beat G Tech beat Clemson beat South Carolina beat UT beat LSU let NC State play

11/29/2005 3:45:58 PM

^^then there would be arguement over who the 8th team should be...

[Edited on November 29, 2005 at 3:46 PM. Reason : f]

11/29/2005 3:46:06 PM

UNC lost to us in theory.

11/29/2005 3:46:43 PM

1AA knows what the fuck is up

http://www.i-aa.org/article.asp?articleid=74261

11/29/2005 3:47:53 PM

what if everybody but state loses...do we become #1?

11/29/2005 3:58:01 PM

Penn State belongs there more than USC. Fuck those bastards

11/29/2005 4:06:28 PM

how can anyone deserve to be there omre than usc?

they've won 34? straight games

11/29/2005 4:08:48 PM

11/29/2005 4:13:56 PM

^^Who did they play?

11/29/2005 4:23:36 PM

have a 65 team playoff so unc and state could be in

11/29/2005 4:35:48 PM

i'm pretty sure usc played like someone ranked in the top 10 the other day didnt they?

and like notre dame didnt they?

didnt reggie bush have like 500 and something yards in a game or something

surely i must be mistaken, that would be impossible for a rb to do that in one game

11/29/2005 4:47:11 PM

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"then there would be arguement over who the 8th team should be..."

better than an argument over who #1 is

the big 6 conference champs can get 6 spots, and there remaining 2 spots can be taken by the strongest of the remaining teams

11/29/2005 4:50:02 PM

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"^^then there would be arguement over who the 8th team should be..."

Nah, I think there is enough "chaos" back around 8 that there can't be a very convincing argument as why 9 should get it over 8 in regards to letting the computer rank things. Where-as the #3 team on any given year can have very very good reasons as to why they should be in the Championship game.

11/29/2005 4:50:53 PM

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"Who did they play?"

they've played some pretty good teams in that span

regardless of whether or not they've had the hardest schedule, they've won 30+ in a row

no other team is even close to that

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"didnt reggie bush have like 500 and something yards in a game or something"

those were all purpose yards: rushing, receiving, and kick returns







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11/29/2005 4:59:20 PM

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=273203

11/29/2005 5:09:44 PM

penn state lost to michigan

texas is undeafeated

why would penn state jump?

11/29/2005 5:12:51 PM

They won 30 in a row this year?

11/29/2005 5:13:00 PM

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"penn state lost to michigan texas is undeafeated why would penn state jump?"

yeah texas is undefeated, but i'm asking what happens if they lose

and i'm just basing the penn st. assumption on what herbstreit said on sportscenter

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"They won 30 in a row this year?"

their winning streak shows their utter dominance over the last 3 seasons

unless they get totally blown out by ucla, the voters can't drop them past second place in the polls, there will be some bias because of what they've accomplished during their run

11/29/2005 5:16:59 PM

if usc or texas loses, Penn State will more than likely jump into 2nd.

[Edited on November 29, 2005 at 5:30 PM. Reason : ]

11/29/2005 5:29:50 PM

yes, they deserve to play...

the real question is "If Texas AND USC lose this weekend, then who gets into the title game?"

11/29/2005 6:46:27 PM

Penn State and LSU. but then the question will be what about VT?


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11/29/2005 7:00:21 PM

are you sure?

will they really drop both Texas and USC below those two? Texas i could see them justifying as they'll have lost their SEC championship game, but USC will still own a share of the PAC-10 title and will ahve lost to a ranked team... will they really fall two spaces underneath of other 1 loss teams?

11/29/2005 7:08:12 PM

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"i'm pretty sure usc played like someone ranked in the top 10 the other day didnt they? and like notre dame didnt they? didnt reggie bush have like 500 and something yards in a game or something"

are you a valley girl or something?

11/29/2005 7:10:20 PM

Picking which 1-loss team should play in the NC would depend on whether USC or Texas lost, and how bad they lost.

Penn State lost by 1 second to Michigan. Michigan's a respectable team (certainly more so than Colorado), so that's why I think they're the best of the 1 loss teams. LSU lost to a bad Tennessee game in overtime. Close loss, but to a crappy team. Virginia Tech got owned by a good (not great) Miami team. Bad loss, but to a good team.

The Big 12 was pretty weak this year, and if Texas can't beat a 4-loss team from the Big 12, then they shouldn't be in the NC. If Texas plays, I will be PISSED if they still go.

USC, on the other hand, plays in a decent conference (not as tough as the Big 10 or SEC), but certainly better than the Big 12. If USC lost a close game to UCLA (a 1-loss team themselves), I'd consider leaving them in the championship game. If it was anything more than 2 touchdowns, I'd pick a Texas-Penn State game.

11/30/2005 12:53:17 PM

Neither one is going to lose so all of this is really moot point.

11/30/2005 12:59:26 PM

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"^^Who did they play?"

According to the BCS, Penn State has played @ #22 Northwestern, #6 Ohio State, @ #19 Michigan, and #18 Wisconsin with one loss.

USC has played @ #7 Oregon, @ #8 Notre Dame, #12 UCLA (this weekend), and #25 Fresno State AND STILL HASNT LOST.

Please explain to me how Penn State deserves to play more than them

11/30/2005 1:12:17 PM

unless both usc and texas get blown out this weekend, I cant see any other two teams playing in the national championship

nor would I want to see any other two teams play for it..they are the best in college football

11/30/2005 1:18:32 PM

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"Nah, I think there is enough "chaos" back around 8 that there can't be a very convincing argument as why 9 should get it over 8 in regards to letting the computer rank things. Where-as the #3 team on any given year can have very very good reasons as to why they should be in the Championship game."

So there would clearly be no controversy over bubble teams in March.

11/30/2005 1:24:34 PM

so what if both lose and LSU loses to Georgia.

11/30/2005 1:40:41 PM

^^ But the teams that whine about not making it in March clearly won't win the national title. The last at-larges are around the 12 seed and the highest seed to ever win is an 8 I think.

Not to say in an 8-team playoff the 8 seed couldn't win, but the allowable margin of error for deciding a national champion is more tolerable for fans between 8 and 9 than 2 and 3.

11/30/2005 1:54:56 PM

just announced today if the top two teams have the same record at the end they will have a plus one

11/30/2005 2:23:06 PM

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"will they really drop both Texas and USC below those two? Texas i could see them justifying as they'll have lost their SEC championship game, but USC will still own a share of the PAC-10 title"

eh?

11/30/2005 2:53:24 PM

yes, they barely lost to michigan on the last play of the game. big deal.

11/30/2005 3:18:35 PM